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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 6, 2014 8:24:44 GMT -5
He was probably picturing this in his head:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:28:30 GMT -5
Our hospital birth center is awesome. I stayed as long as insurance would let me.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 6, 2014 8:31:14 GMT -5
Holy cow, 24 hours, a state law? I had DD at 2:10 am and left that same day before 10:30. No one rests in a hospital. She has slight jaundice and the doctor said she had to stay. I said she had to but I didn't and unless you wanted to discharge mom without baby, get her ready cuz I was going.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2014 8:34:02 GMT -5
Mine was a normal birth. I only had to push for an hour and she was out. What is normal Come on, have you learned nothing here! I pooed all over the place.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 8:37:11 GMT -5
It's state law that the baby needs to remain in the hospital either 24 hours OR I need to bring with me documentation showing that I have an appointment with her pediatrician X days after birth (I forgot how many).
I can understand why the state has the policy they do. It's not meant for parents like myself and DH. Just as the mandatory Shaken Baby Syndrome video isn't really geared towards us. It is sad the state has to make laws regarding the obvious.
I can't get DH to agree to letting me go the pediatrician route with Abigail. It was hard enough to get him to agree to let us leave after 24 hours. He has just as much a vote as I do since she's his kid too. So I agreed to 24 hours.
Only reason I plan on staying is cause I'm going to nurse so it seems stupid to leave and then have to pump at home.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 8:43:00 GMT -5
Wow, all of that is so me! Your posts have always struck me as stupid. When you get back into a corner, instead of debating, you run off with your ball. And this is some weird random attack that just has me scratching my head! Have you been drinking? But of course, this also my personal observation! Carry on, indeed! There it is....I rest my case. Wow, really?! If you are completed blind to the fact that you posted on this thread for the sole purpose of attacking me and contributed nothing to the subject manner at hand, you are completely hopeless. I echoed your attack to show you how random and mean spirited it was. I didn't engage you, you engaged me! But that's cool, you can be my nemesis on this board. I never had a nemesis before!
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 8:48:02 GMT -5
I disagree. Labor pain is normal and means that things are going the way they should. My hospital had all of my medical records so they knew I had prenatal care and that I had taken all of their classes. I filled out their form that every doctor and nurse was supposed to read upon entering my room that said I wanted an unmedicated birth, how I planned to deal with the pain, and that I would ask for drugs/epi if I needed one. And yet the staff treated it as a matter of time, that I would want the epi regardless of anything else. I was obviously in labor, but I didn't show any physical signs of being in pain until I had pushed for over an hour and they didn't offer me anything at that point. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards Hospitals' staff refusing to listen to a patient would be my primary reason for having home birth. That, and the fact that you get a non-stop string of "visitors" who need to check and measure and re-check you and the baby all.freaking.day.and.night long While I can't really complain about my experiences, it was beyond frustrating dealing with the hospital staff and now, looking back, I wonder if I should have done home birth. the ONLY reason that stopped me was my paranoia about "what if something goes wrong". I had great experiences overall too. But had I gotten the epi the 2nd time I would have needed an emergency c-section, so the nurses later told me it was good I stuck it out. If I ever go for #3 I'll get a doula and ask that she run interference for me. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 8:51:27 GMT -5
what's all this about epis leading to emergency c-sections? I've never heard of such and I definitely didn't experience it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:52:56 GMT -5
It's state law that the baby needs to remain in the hospital either 24 hours OR I need to bring with me documentation showing that I have an appointment with her pediatrician X days after birth (I forgot how many).
I can understand why the state has the policy they do. It's not meant for parents like myself and DH. Just as the mandatory Shaken Baby Syndrome video isn't really geared towards us. It is sad the state has to make laws regarding the obvious.
I can't get DH to agree to letting me go the pediatrician route with Abigail. It was hard enough to get him to agree to let us leave after 24 hours. He has just as much a vote as I do since she's his kid too. So I agreed to 24 hours.
Only reason I plan on staying is cause I'm going to nurse so it seems stupid to leave and then have to pump at home. why, if the ped says she can leave because she has an appt. within a day or 2, would you stay? the last place I would want my newborn baby is a hospital full of sick people? I had to have my babies to the ped within 2 days of birth so they could do they metabolic testing (heel prick thing). I would go the route of you being home in a relaxed atmosphere with only your baby to tend to would be way better than being in a hospital with people coming and going and poking and prodding and you not getting rest to be able to notice something wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:54:27 GMT -5
what's all this about epis leading to emergency c-sections? I've never heard of such and I definitely didn't experience it. once you have an epi, you have to stay in bed, you can't walk around to get the effect of gravity helping, you can't labor in the tub with the water to soothe your contractions. some women get so numb they can't feel anything and therefore can't push effectively. the epi also lowers your blood pressure.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 6, 2014 8:55:27 GMT -5
I thought they did that heel prick thing much faster than that. DD had a gauze thing on her heel. I assumed that was it. Where's our nurses?
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 8:58:00 GMT -5
If I had to do it all over again, I would definately get a doula to advocate on my behalf. But I'm not sure that it would have made a difference. My first time, I ended up with an emergency c-section, and I was convinced that it was because I wasn't clear enough and strong enough to resist when the doctors kept pushing the c-section on me. And then, the exact same thing happened again the second time, but since it was a VBAC, induction and an epidural were not possible, it was excruciating! And then, I ended up with another emergency c-section!
I'm sure if I had a doula, she would have help me understand my choices and feel secure about the c-section, and I wouldn't have gone through days of pain trying to power through it.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 8:58:09 GMT -5
what's all this about epis leading to emergency c-sections? I've never heard of such and I definitely didn't experience it. I never could have pushed dd out if I had an epidural. I barely got her out without one. As exhausted as I was I remember being grateful that c-sections were an option since I truly didn't know if I could physically have that kid. Every intervention you have increases the chances of needing another one. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have them as options, but I think they are pushed too much. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 8:58:39 GMT -5
I have no clue why he's so adamant about us staying at least 24 hours. After the fiasco with the on-call pediatrician that examined Gwen I'd much rather take Abigail to our regular pediatrician 2 days after birth than plan doctor roulette.
But since I have to live with him it's not a hill I plan on dying on. I might bring it up after she arrives and we're already there so I can have the doctor explain things to DH. He tends towards "white coat syndrome" and sometimes I can leverage that to my advantage.
I totally agree with you though about preferring to be at home as soon as possible.
Nobody gets "rest" at a hospital. The worst was when the Social Security office guy showed up in my room at 1 am wanting me to fill out the paperwork for the birth certificate! I complained VERY loudly about that till the moment I was discharged. That was beyond rude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:59:36 GMT -5
I thought they did that heel prick thing much faster than that. DD had a gauze thing on her heel. I assumed that was it. Where's our nurses? I delivered at a freestanding birth center with a midwife and an RN, no ped. they don't do the heel stick thing there. it's also not supposed to be done until after 24 hours of feeding I believe, but they do it in the hospital before discharge because they don't know if some of those babies will ever see a doctor again.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 6, 2014 9:02:20 GMT -5
Well, that's very odd. I wonder if DD had hers? I'm assuming she did because she had a gauze thing on her heel but I was gone as fast as I could go. A tad beyond 8 hours after delivery. I'm sure we saw pediatrician soon but it's been 25 years so since I can't remember last week, what do I know?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 6, 2014 9:18:20 GMT -5
There is a risk of death for removing your bunion. There is a risk of death from open heart surgery. The risks of a C section involve Surgical risks like hemorrhage , infection, and risks of major surgery abd risks of anesthesia versus the risk if an epidural for labor analgesia. Do you not understand the difference? The medical field doesn't agree that it is an unreasonable risk as many posters who have recently delivered have posted. Should we ignore those doctors opinions? Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards All Anesthesia providers agree that having a full stomach before undergoing surgery puts you at increased risk of death by aspiration. Doesnt mean people dont have emergency surgery with full stomachs, they do when the risk of delaying surgery outweighs the risk of aspirating. But why put yourself at increased ridk?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 6, 2014 9:20:19 GMT -5
They do. You CHOOSE to accept an epidural . In medicine there is a risk/ benefit analysis. But the rulesare made for YOUR safety. Not sure what the problem is with that. so why can't someone CHOOSE to eat/drink during labor against their hospital policy and accept the risk? and no, a lot of the rules are not made for your safety, but for the convenience of the staff. It has nothing to do with staff conveience unless you are expecting the OB nurse to go out and grill you a steak and texas toast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 9:23:07 GMT -5
The medical field doesn't agree that it is an unreasonable risk as many posters who have recently delivered have posted. Should we ignore those doctors opinions? Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards All Anesthesia providers agree that having a full stomach before undergoing surgery puts you at increased risk of death by aspiration. Doesnt mean people dont have emergency surgery with full stomachs, they do when the risk of delaying surgery outweighs the risk of aspirating. But why put yourself at increased ridk? but if someone is willing to take the risk of side effects from epidural pain management, then why can't that same someone accept the risk that if they need an emergency c-section under general anesthesia they could aspirate? are you seriously not understanding the comparison? why can a patient accept one risk but not another?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 9:25:05 GMT -5
It's an urban myth. Correlation = causation
It's not an urban myth there are peer reviewed legitimate journal articles to back it up.
But the facts are a lot more complicated than popular birth books/magazines make it out to be. Part of the problem is due to very valid ethical reasons it's hard to do controlled studies involving pregnant women so a large portion of evidence for these things depends on data digging or rely on patient recollections which aren't the best way to go about gathering data points.
Then with stats you have to do a lot more work than just look at the percentage of women who had C-sections after epidurals. It's quite popular to throw out a % to back up whatever it is you want to say or generate ratings, but the % is a small small portion of the actual facts.
In reality the risks of emergency C-section are extremely small when you calculate it using the population as a whole's overall emergency surgery risk and also compare it to women who don't get epidurals and their rate of emergency C-section. The % sounds big and scary but per person it's not as big a leap as you'd think.
So there IS a risk you'll need an emergency C-section if you chose an epidural, you can't say there isn't one because that is as inaccurate as saying that you will automatically end up with one if you have an epidural
I really liked the book Bumpology that I read recently. She's a statistician so she goes thru all the empirical data and actually breaks down what it means. She doesn't just regurgitate numbers like I've found a lot of pregnancy books do. She does a great job it's a really fast/easy read.
At the end of the day though it comes down to your own personal risk tolerance. For some people if the risk isn't 0% they won't consider it (whatever you chose "it" to be) for others they're perfectly fine with, say a 20% risk since that means 80% of the time it doesn't happen.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:26:42 GMT -5
The medical field doesn't agree that it is an unreasonable risk as many posters who have recently delivered have posted. Should we ignore those doctors opinions? Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards All Anesthesia providers agree that having a full stomach before undergoing surgery puts you at increased risk of death by aspiration. Doesnt mean people dont have emergency surgery with full stomachs, they do when the risk of delaying surgery outweighs the risk of aspirating. But why put yourself at increased ridk? Yes, and even if people were to "accept" that risk by eating, if something was to go wrong, they would sue and say that that they weren't made to understand the gravity of the risks. And malpractice insurance increases healthcare costs for everyone! everything is a calculated risk, and if the short term benefit of eating is not as great as the benefit of living, then the choice seems clear!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 9:27:14 GMT -5
what's all this about epis leading to emergency c-sections? I've never heard of such and I definitely didn't experience it. once you have an epi, you have to stay in bed, you can't walk around to get the effect of gravity helping, you can't labor in the tub with the water to soothe your contractions. some women get so numb they can't feel anything and therefore can't push effectively. the epi also lowers your blood pressure. I was induced, so walking around was not something that I really wanted to do. I did use the bathroom a few times (much to the dismay of the L & D nurse), but other than that I stayed in bed. I stuck it out until I started getting contractions so bad I was dry heaving, then I demanded the epi. I got it in the nick of time, and then I immediately had to push. I didn't push long until he came out (with the help of a vacuum). Apparently his oxygen levels were dropping quickly, so we all did everything we could to get him out fast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 9:28:57 GMT -5
All Anesthesia providers agree that having a full stomach before undergoing surgery puts you at increased risk of death by aspiration. Doesnt mean people dont have emergency surgery with full stomachs, they do when the risk of delaying surgery outweighs the risk of aspirating. But why put yourself at increased ridk? Yes, and even if people were to "accept" that risk by eating, if something was to go wrong, they would sue and say that that they weren't made to understand the gravity of the risks. And malpractice insurance increases healthcare costs for everyone! everything is a calculated risk, and if the short term benefit of eating is not as great as the benefit of living, then the choice seems clear! so then all the people who get epidurals that go wrong and then sue increase healthcare costs for everyone, so those shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2014 9:31:16 GMT -5
It's state law that the baby needs to remain in the hospital either 24 hours OR I need to bring with me documentation showing that I have an appointment with her pediatrician X days after birth (I forgot how many).
I can understand why the state has the policy they do. It's not meant for parents like myself and DH. Just as the mandatory Shaken Baby Syndrome video isn't really geared towards us. It is sad the state has to make laws regarding the obvious.
I can't get DH to agree to letting me go the pediatrician route with Abigail. It was hard enough to get him to agree to let us leave after 24 hours. He has just as much a vote as I do since she's his kid too. So I agreed to 24 hours.
Only reason I plan on staying is cause I'm going to nurse so it seems stupid to leave and then have to pump at home. why, if the ped says she can leave because she has an appt. within a day or 2, would you stay? the last place I would want my newborn baby is a hospital full of sick people? I had to have my babies to the ped within 2 days of birth so they could do they metabolic testing (heel prick thing). I would go the route of you being home in a relaxed atmosphere with only your baby to tend to would be way better than being in a hospital with people coming and going and poking and prodding and you not getting rest to be able to notice something wrong. I'm pretty sure the newborns aren't in the general population of the hospital. they're in a separate area where you need permission to get in.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 6, 2014 9:32:50 GMT -5
Singlemom, You have a very poor understanding of medical procedures and the risks and issues.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -5
Yes, and even if people were to "accept" that risk by eating, if something was to go wrong, they would sue and say that that they weren't made to understand the gravity of the risks. And malpractice insurance increases healthcare costs for everyone! everything is a calculated risk, and if the short term benefit of eating is not as great as the benefit of living, then the choice seems clear! so then all the people who get epidurals that go wrong and then sue increase healthcare costs for everyone, so those shouldn't be allowed. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be allowed. It's just that you as a consumer (patient) have to understand those risks, and if you choose to accept [insert xyz], and a horrible thing happens, well then don't go suing people.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 9:33:51 GMT -5
It's an urban myth. Correlation = causation. It's also self-defeating if a vaginal birth is your goal. I could not have pushed dd out with an epi. I've done both. I know how differently I push between the 2. So no, I'm not making this up. And statistically every intervention makes another intervention more likely. I didn't say it caused it just that it becomes more likely. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 9:37:00 GMT -5
Singlemom, You have a very poor understanding of medical procedures and the risks and issues. no I think my understanding of risk is just fine.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 9:38:41 GMT -5
So there IS a risk you'll need an emergency C-section if you chose an epidura
You're choosing to misinterpret what I said. You can't claim there is zero risk to any type of medical procedure/intervention that would be completely inaccurate, it's no different than if I said that 100% of women who have epidurals wind up with C-sections.
The stats tell you how big/little the risk is and then it's up to you to decide if you're okay with that.
To you the number may not be big enough to break a sweat over. To other people they decide they aren't comfortable with the stats and chose to opt out.
Everyone has right to process the data for themselves and decide how they want to utilize it.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:40:28 GMT -5
I'm also surprised by how many people wanted to go home right away. I stayed in the hospital for a week with both of my babies. People bought me food, and helped me with the baby. The nurses and doctors were a great resource for me in answering all my questions about breastfeeding and newborns. I loved it!
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