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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 20:12:55 GMT -5
Nope, the doctors & nurses are just being doodoo heads... They don't actually know what they're talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:29:50 GMT -5
Inductions are painful. There is nothing wrong with getting an epidural. The biggest risk/most common problem, as I said, is a really bad headache. well no, there's a risk of death from an epidural.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:31:10 GMT -5
so if your doctor tells you that you can eat and you're hungry, you're just going to ignore them? and what's totally amusing is that everyone gets an epidural like it's nothing, yet it has an entire list of potential complications. yes, some of those are rare - just like an emergency c-section under general anesthesia - but no one bats an eye over those, including medical professionals. We do bat an eye over them. I did anesthesia for many years and aspiration is always a concern. Just because anesthesia professionals try to avoid scaring people if there is nothing they can do about a person having a full stomach in an acute situation, doesnt mean we aren't concerned. That split pea soup patient died, you know. perhaps you should read my post more closely. I said that no one bats an eye over getting an epidural, it's even suggested by medical professionals, however, epidurals come with risks but nobody seems concerned about those.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:33:33 GMT -5
What % of people die from aspiration during a c section? My hospital didn't care if I had eaten at all with my first and only cared if they caught me eating with my 2nd. Everyone said to eat in the car on the way there. So no one viewed it as a likely danger. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards I don't know offhand. As I said, my hospital considered it a risk and I consider it a risk. If you have one patient die due to something that could have been prevented, it is too many. As I said, if it were not a risk factor, we would let everyone eat before surgery. The funny thing about emergencies is that you dont always know when they are going to happen and you cannot always know in advance who will aspirate and who wont. Luckily, I am retired and do not have to worry about it. Eat as much as you want. Not my problem. I am sure it will be a great comfort to the family members of the few people who do aspirate, to know the patient was in a very small minority. so if one person died from getting an epidural, that would be too many and no one should take the risk? because people have died from epidurals - that's why it's listed as one of the side effects. rae understands the point I'm trying to make, I'm not sure why you don't.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 5, 2014 20:43:36 GMT -5
We do bat an eye over them. I did anesthesia for many years and aspiration is always a concern. Just because anesthesia professionals try to avoid scaring people if there is nothing they can do about a person having a full stomach in an acute situation, doesnt mean we aren't concerned. That split pea soup patient died, you know. perhaps you should read my post more closely. I said that no one bats an eye over getting an epidural, it's even suggested by medical professionals, however, epidurals come with risks but nobody seems concerned about those. Who " isnt concerned" about the risks? There risks are explained and you can accept that kr not. With a stat section you dont have that choice so obviously the safest course is to have you prepared for that scenario.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 20:46:21 GMT -5
I get where achelois is coming from and I get why hospitals have the policy in place. OBs already have some of the highest malpractice insurance rates of any medical professional. I can understand why they cover their behinds.
It's why you need to ask questions and may need to hospital shop. Don't assume anything, especially if it is important to you.
What each hospital chooses to accept as far as potential liability is up to the people who create hospital policy. Even if the doctor is okay with it if they want to keep their jobs they have to follow the rules like everyone else. The eating thing didn't bother me. I was sick as a freaking dog with the flu or something that week, the last thing I wanted to do was eat so that wasn't a hill worth dying on But it would have been nice to have a drink because I was dehydrated on top of being sick.
I'm reading the lit the midwives gave me I can have clear fluids thru labor and I can eat lightly (like a sandwich or something). They'll get me whatever I want if available or I can bring my own food with me.
For all Creighton's faults they never pushed an epidural. I honestly think that has more to due with the individual nurse/doctor than the actual hospital.
I had the nurse who checked me in make a crack about natural birth but after she left nobody said anything to me about it once I'd said I didn't want one and it was noted in my chart. When I changed my mind they must have asked me 40 million times if I was sure. I was sure.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 20:47:17 GMT -5
People are willing to take risks in different areas. It may not always make sense to everyone but thats the beauty of choices. I would never take the risk on a home birth yet I went for the epi. I kept my child's carseat rf for 2+ years but let her sleep on her tummy. I can think other people taking risks by not vaccinating their kids is stupid, but what I dont do is tell them so. This board is different since the level of anonymity being on here makes people feel more free to say whatever they want to but IRL I dont really talk about parenting choices with people unless I ask for opinions or they do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:56:37 GMT -5
and again my point was that she was in the OMG if you need an emergency c-section under general anesthesia you have a chance of aspirating but nobody ever talks about if you have an epidural you have a chance of these risks which range from headache to death. why is one risk so overblown but the other risk is barely mentioned?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 5, 2014 21:09:52 GMT -5
and again my point was that she was in the OMG if you need an emergency c-section under general anesthesia you have a chance of aspirating but nobody ever talks about if you have an epidural you have a chance of these risks which range from headache to death. why is one risk so overblown but the other risk is barely mentioned? Because the risks are not the SAME .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 21:11:24 GMT -5
and again my point was that she was in the OMG if you need an emergency c-section under general anesthesia you have a chance of aspirating but nobody ever talks about if you have an epidural you have a chance of these risks which range from headache to death. why is one risk so overblown but the other risk is barely mentioned? Because the risks are not the SAME . hmmm, they both have a risk of death....how is that not the SAME?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 21:17:21 GMT -5
and again my point was that she was in the OMG if you need an emergency c-section under general anesthesia you have a chance of aspirating but nobody ever talks about if you have an epidural you have a chance of these risks which range from headache to death. why is one risk so overblown but the other risk is barely mentioned? Because one you can control, one you cannot. You control the risks you can control. Did you drive your babies around without a car seat? Aside from the fact that it is illegal, would you risk them being harmed if you were in an accident and there was something you could do to prevent them from being harmed? That is a risk you CAN control.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 5, 2014 21:18:50 GMT -5
There is a risk of death for removing your bunion. There is a risk of death from open heart surgery. The risks of a C section involve Surgical risks like hemorrhage , infection, and risks of major surgery abd risks of anesthesia versus the risk if an epidural for labor analgesia. Do you not understand the difference?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 21:21:15 GMT -5
Because the risks are not the SAME . hmmm, they both have a risk of death....how is that not the SAME? But the numerical risk is not the same. The risk of death from an epidural is much less than the risk from general anesthesia. It's largely the reason why unless there are other issues that most joint surgeries are being done with them. My last 3 were done with epidural/spinal anesthesia. The only reason why my first one was not was that I was septic and the anesthesiologist was not willing to increase my risk of infecting my spinal column too. That, and it is a hell of a lot easier to recover from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 21:39:39 GMT -5
hmmm, they both have a risk of death....how is that not the SAME? But the numerical risk is not the same. The risk of death from an epidural is much less than the risk from general anesthesia. It's largely the reason why unless there are other issues that most joint surgeries are being done with them. My last 3 were done with epidural/spinal anesthesia. The only reason why my first one was not was that I was septic and the anesthesiologist was not willing to increase my risk of infecting my spinal column too. That, and it is a hell of a lot easier to recover from. yes, the risk of a c section from an epidural versus a c section with general is lower (although I did find one study that said the rate of maternal mortality is the same from both) however, we're talking about the risk of dying from a c section under general versus the risk of dying from an epidural given for no other reason than you don't want to deal with the pain (which is not a judgment on anyone before someone brings it up). why do doctors/hospitals accept one risk but not the other? why can the patient decide about accepting the risks of one of those things but not the other?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 5, 2014 21:54:08 GMT -5
They do. You CHOOSE to accept an epidural . In medicine there is a risk/ benefit analysis. But the rulesare made for YOUR safety. Not sure what the problem is with that.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 5, 2014 22:17:31 GMT -5
Cripes. Just like I researched breastfeeding, I researched epidurals. I knew the risks and I was concerned, but still I did not really want to go through childbirth without it. I gave birth at one of the best birthing hospitals with a high level intensive care nursery. We had 9 months to research and plan. I would rather go hungry than risk a tube going down my throat.
My SIL who had her kids in like 2 hours said she asked for an epidural and they told her the baby would be born before the epidural took effect so they refused to give it to her. If you were in labor for 20+ hours natural childbirth, I admire you, but I will take the risk on an epidural, I really don't care if you approve or not.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 5, 2014 23:57:09 GMT -5
It's pretty rare to have a person who's really in pain and not offer them something when you are in a hospital. Labor pain is pain and therefore hospitals will offer you relief same as if you had a broken leg or kidney stone or cancer. I disagree. Labor pain is normal and means that things are going the way they should. My hospital had all of my medical records so they knew I had prenatal care and that I had taken all of their classes. I filled out their form that every doctor and nurse was supposed to read upon entering my room that said I wanted an unmedicated birth, how I planned to deal with the pain, and that I would ask for drugs/epi if I needed one. And yet the staff treated it as a matter of time, that I would want the epi regardless of anything else. I was obviously in labor, but I didn't show any physical signs of being in pain until I had pushed for over an hour and they didn't offer me anything at that point. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 0:00:26 GMT -5
There is a risk of death for removing your bunion. There is a risk of death from open heart surgery. The risks of a C section involve Surgical risks like hemorrhage , infection, and risks of major surgery abd risks of anesthesia versus the risk if an epidural for labor analgesia. Do you not understand the difference? The medical field doesn't agree that it is an unreasonable risk as many posters who have recently delivered have posted. Should we ignore those doctors opinions? Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by quince on Aug 6, 2014 0:57:21 GMT -5
I remember being irritated that my hospital did not allow eating/drinking after admission precisely because aspiration under anesthesia during childbirth is less likely than being struck by lightning. I still go outside even though there is the risk of lightning- having food withheld to prevent such a minuscule risk is ridiculous.
Not that I would have been able to eat while in labor- in an hour I went from mild cramping to disabling pain for one minute out of every three. Some people want to eat, though, and I might have wanted to drink.
I loved the hell out of my epidural though. (Even though I'll never know if that's why I needed an emergency C section.)
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Post by giramomma on Aug 6, 2014 6:36:31 GMT -5
I had the labor from hell with my first. I was in labor for over 24 hours. I actually didn't eat a meal for about 30 hours. They did let me eat b/c I hadn't chosen the epidural at that point. It wasn't much, a snack (jello type stuff), which I threw up. Because with my first, I was one of those that throws up when the contractions come every couple of minutes.
Pushing for two hours without eating for a day wasn't my favorite part of the birth. In fact, I had a vacuum extraction because I was tired and hungry. In fact my statement the ob delivering me was "Get him out NOW!" when I was done.
They also were not checking to make sure my epidural still had juice in it. It wore off while I was pushing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 7:23:22 GMT -5
They do. You CHOOSE to accept an epidural . In medicine there is a risk/ benefit analysis. But the rulesare made for YOUR safety. Not sure what the problem is with that. so why can't someone CHOOSE to eat/drink during labor against their hospital policy and accept the risk? and no, a lot of the rules are not made for your safety, but for the convenience of the staff.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 6, 2014 7:26:25 GMT -5
They do. You CHOOSE to accept an epidural . In medicine there is a risk/ benefit analysis. But the rulesare made for YOUR safety. Not sure what the problem is with that. so why can't someone CHOOSE to eat/drink during labor against their hospital policy and accept the risk? and no, a lot of the rules are not made for your safety, but for the convenience of the staff. The hospital is not going to kick you our or not treat you if you eat or drink.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 6, 2014 7:30:41 GMT -5
I'm sure it's meant for emergency anesthesia, a spinal or an epidural wouldn't count. But plenty of people have eaten and drank before having some sort of an emergency and they've been okay. i guess I was lucky, no strangers thought it'd be okay to touch my belly or even ask me how far along I was, none of which is any of their business or concern. I had one person ask if I was going to BF or FF, and I replied and the subject was closed. No one butted into how I raised my child or not. Good thing, I suppose.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 6, 2014 7:33:20 GMT -5
It's pretty rare to have a person who's really in pain and not offer them something when you are in a hospital. Labor pain is pain and therefore hospitals will offer you relief same as if you had a broken leg or kidney stone or cancer. I disagree. Labor pain is normal and means that things are going the way they should. My hospital had all of my medical records so they knew I had prenatal care and that I had taken all of their classes. I filled out their form that every doctor and nurse was supposed to read upon entering my room that said I wanted an unmedicated birth, how I planned to deal with the pain, and that I would ask for drugs/epi if I needed one. And yet the staff treated it as a matter of time, that I would want the epi regardless of anything else. I was obviously in labor, but I didn't show any physical signs of being in pain until I had pushed for over an hour and they didn't offer me anything at that point. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards Hospitals' staff refusing to listen to a patient would be my primary reason for having home birth. That, and the fact that you get a non-stop string of "visitors" who need to check and measure and re-check you and the baby all.freaking.day.and.night long While I can't really complain about my experiences, it was beyond frustrating dealing with the hospital staff and now, looking back, I wonder if I should have done home birth. the ONLY reason that stopped me was my paranoia about "what if something goes wrong".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 7:34:54 GMT -5
I'm sure it's meant for emergency anesthesia, a spinal or an epidural wouldn't count. But plenty of people have eaten and drank before having some sort of an emergency and they've been okay. i guess I was lucky, no strangers thought it'd be okay to touch my belly or even ask me how far along I was, none of which is any of their business or concern. I had one person ask if I was going to BF or FF, and I replied and the subject was closed. No one butted into how I raised my child or not. Good thing, I suppose. I also didn't have anyone ask me about FF or BF except my midwife/ped or any of the other stuff people here have been subjected to. the only annoying person was my mother-in-law who, with each baby, asked if I was going to quit work. since I kicked her son out when the youngest was 16 months, it was a good thing I hadn't stayed home or I would have been stuck with him.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 6, 2014 7:47:45 GMT -5
It just floors me when I read about rude people with zero manners. It's not like I've never been rude or encountered rude people but not as much as others, thank GOD. It'd never occur to me to ask some of the questions that people just feel free to and just going up and touching someone I don't even know, on their belly of all places. Good lord.
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Post by skubikky on Aug 6, 2014 8:01:16 GMT -5
I suspect that it didn't really matter what topic she was ranting about......you're response might have been about the same. From reading many of your posts, you strike me as generally impatient, angry and mean-spirited. And, that for the most part, you don't like other humans.....just my personal observation...carry on. Wow, all of that is so me! Your posts have always struck me as stupid. When you get back into a corner, instead of debating, you run off with your ball. And this is some weird random attack that just has me scratching my head! Have you been drinking? But of course, this also my personal observation! Carry on, indeed! There it is....I rest my case.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 8:13:14 GMT -5
I never had anybody try to touch me. Most unsolicited comments I got were about my weight. It dawned on me that people equate pregnancy with "fat" and that's not the same thing. I'm small to begin with so I don't meet people's stereotypical expectations when I start gaining weight so they for whatever reason assumed that meant I wasn't eating. The person who surprisingly got the most unsolicited advice was my husband. Then he'd bring it all home and bombard me with it. Like most people he tends to run with anecdotal evidence and Google rather than do actual research. Meanwhile I'm over here reading books and spending hours on PubMed looking up journal papers. I finally told him he was starting to sound like his mother and if he didn't shut up he was going to be banned from the delivery room. He's been better this time around for the most part. We did have a major fight when I chose a midwife instead of an OB. Then he's still not thrilled with me considering a water birth. I also had to fight him when I told him I have zero intention of staying 48 hours in the hospital this time around. He insists I have to because I'll "need rest". Who the hell gets REST in a hospital? I'd leave sooner than that and I can if I have doctor's clearance but I can't get DH to agree to let me take Abigail home earlier than the state law of 24 hours. So I figure since I am nursing I might as well stay too. One day won't kill me. I did warn him if he dares try to make me stay for 2 days that I know this campus better than he does. He'll never find me if I decided to escape the maternity ward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:16:02 GMT -5
I never had anybody try to touch me. Most unsolicited comments I got were about my weight. It dawned on me that people equate pregnancy with "fat" and that's not the same thing. I'm small to begin with so I don't meet people's stereotypical expectations when I start gaining weight so they for whatever reason assumed that meant I wasn't eating. The person who surprisingly got the most unsolicited advice was my husband. Then he'd bring it all home and bombard me with it. Like most people he tends to run with anecdotal evidence and Google rather than do actual research. Meanwhile I'm over here reading books and spending hours on PubMed looking up journal papers. I finally told him he was starting to sound like his mother and if he didn't shut up he was going to be banned from the delivery room. He's been better this time around for the most part. We did have a major fight when I chose a midwife instead of an OB. Then he's still not thrilled with me considering a water birth. I also had to fight him when I told him I have zero intention of staying 48 hours in the hospital this time around. He insists I have to because I'll "need rest". Who the hell gets REST in a hospital? I'd leave sooner than that and I can if I have doctor's clearance but I can't get DH to agree to let me take Abigail home earlier than the state law of 24 hours. So I figure since I am nursing I might as well stay too. One day won't kill me. I did warn him if he dares try to make me stay for 2 days that I know this campus better than he does. He'll never find me if I decided to escape the maternity ward. Drama - I had 3 kids with a midwife in a freestanding birth center. explain to him that to a midwife birth is a normal event that doesn't require them to 'do' anything until a problem presents itself....unlike a doctor who's trained to 'fix' things and has a hard time standing by. send him to me if you want and I'll smack some sense into him. any yeah, all came home way less than 24 hours (baby #3 was home when he was 6 hours old).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 8:21:45 GMT -5
I drug him with me to my first appointment and told him he could ask the midwife any questions he wanted. My first appointment happened to be with the head of the midwife department here at the hospital so that helped.
He's fine with it now. But geez louise getting him on board was a PITA.
I'm still not entirely sure what was going thru his head when he refused to consider it. The hospitals around here have been on board with offering midwifery services for quite some time. It's not like I went to Craiglist and posted "Wanted: midwife" and picked the first person who responded.
any yeah, all came home way less than 24 hours
I'd love to. I don't mind giving birth in the hospital but having to sleep in one is a freaking nightmare. But it was hard enough to get him to agree to let me leave in less than 48 hours. It's his kid too and I'll be nursing so I might as well stay the 24 hours with Abigail. I can compromise on 24 hours.
But if he thinks I'm spending more time than that here he's insane. If I have to I'll run across the street and lock myself in the lab till an escape vehicle arrives. He can't get in here he doesn't have a badge/key.
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