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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2014 9:41:43 GMT -5
The people who choose to have an epidural are having a harder time delivering, so they might be more likely to end up needing a C-section. It's not a hard concept.
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2014 9:42:14 GMT -5
I'm also surprised by how many people wanted to go home right away. I stayed in the hospital for a week with both of my babies. People bought me food, and helped me with the baby. The nurses and doctors were a great resource for me in answering all my questions about breastfeeding and newborns. I loved it! A week? I'm assuming this was in Canada?
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 9:43:35 GMT -5
If I had to do it all over again, I would definately get a doula to advocate on my behalf. But I'm not sure that it would have made a difference. My first time, I ended up with an emergency c-section, and I was convinced that it was because I wasn't clear enough and strong enough to resist when the doctors kept pushing the c-section on me. And then, the exact same thing happened again the second time, but since it was a VBAC, induction and an epidural were not possible, it was excruciating! And then, I ended up with another emergency c-section! I'm sure if I had a doula, she would have help me understand my choices and feel secure about the c-section, and I wouldn't have gone through days of pain trying to power through it. I hate that so many of us have such feelings of guilt and inadequacy around having babies. That shit is hard work and every single labor is different. I think having a doula sounds pretty ideal. Maybe I'll get knocked up just to test my theory. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by Shooby on Aug 6, 2014 9:44:49 GMT -5
In the middle!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 9:45:08 GMT -5
yeah - I happily took all the help I could get! Not having to cook/clean was great! I had LOTS of help with DS seeing as he was in in the NICU for the first 6 days of his life. I hated being made to leave after day 2 because that meant coming back 2-3x a day to visit and feed DS for an additional 4 days.
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2014 9:46:11 GMT -5
If I had to do it all over again, I would definately get a doula to advocate on my behalf. But I'm not sure that it would have made a difference. My first time, I ended up with an emergency c-section, and I was convinced that it was because I wasn't clear enough and strong enough to resist when the doctors kept pushing the c-section on me. And then, the exact same thing happened again the second time, but since it was a VBAC, induction and an epidural were not possible, it was excruciating! And then, I ended up with another emergency c-section! I'm sure if I had a doula, she would have help me understand my choices and feel secure about the c-section, and I wouldn't have gone through days of pain trying to power through it. I hate that so many of us have such feelings of guilt and inadequacy around having babies. That shit is hard work and every single labor is different. I think having a doula sounds pretty ideal. Maybe I'll get knocked up just to test my theory. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards I had c sections and if anyone thinks I did it wrong, they can bite me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 9:46:20 GMT -5
Let's see I was woken up at least 3x a night so they could check my blood pressure, take my temperature and ask me if I peed/pooped that day.
Then I had the social security guy show up at 1 am wanting me to fill out birth certificate paperwork and he got quite pissy when DH tried to throw him out because I was sleeping. Then there was the welfare office lady who showed up and grilled me about whether or not I was married and if I needed welfare.
Then there were the janitors that came in/out mopping up the floors and taking out trash on a regular basis.
Hospitals SUCK. I have no problems when it came to the actual birth but hospitals aren't five star hotels. Getting any kind of rest/relaxation was a joke.
At home it was just myself, DH and Gwen. DH would leave the dogs in their kennels/boot them outside if they got too loud, handled all phone calls from curious relatives and did all the chores around the house. I had as much peace/quiet as I wanted.
I also prefer my own bed, hospital beds are horrible uncomfortable, especially for someone with stitches in her nether regions.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:47:40 GMT -5
I'm also surprised by how many people wanted to go home right away. I stayed in the hospital for a week with both of my babies. People bought me food, and helped me with the baby. The nurses and doctors were a great resource for me in answering all my questions about breastfeeding and newborns. I loved it! A week? I'm assuming this was in Canada? yes for Canada, but also because they were both c-sections. Jaundice, babies losing 10% of birth weight and my underlying medical conditions were all contributing factors. I think the average stay is 3 days.
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Post by skubikky on Aug 6, 2014 9:48:41 GMT -5
There it is....I rest my case. Wow, really?! If you are completed blind to the fact that you posted on this thread for the sole purpose of attacking me and contributed nothing to the subject manner at hand, you are completely hopeless. I echoed your attack to show you how random and mean spirited it was. I didn't engage you, you engaged me! But that's cool, you can be my nemesis on this board. I never had a nemesis before! I find that hard to believe
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2014 9:48:53 GMT -5
A week? I'm assuming this was in Canada? yes for Canada, but also because they were both c-sections. Jaundice, babies losing 10% of birth weight and my underlying medical conditions were all contributing factors. I think the average stay is 3 days. I stayed 4 or 5 days the first time, only because I had a rough recovery. the baby was fine.
The second time, they let me go home after 2 days. The maternity ward was way overcrowded, so I couldn't wait to get out of there.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:51:29 GMT -5
Let's see I was woken up at least 3x a night so they could check my blood pressure, take my temperature and ask me if I peed/pooped that day. Then I had the social security guy show up at 1 am wanting me to fill out birth certificate paperwork and he got quite pissy when DH tried to throw him out because I was sleeping. Then there was the welfare office lady who showed up and grilled me about whether or not I was married and if I needed welfare. Then there were the janitors that came in/out mopping up the floors and taking out trash on a regular basis. Hospitals SUCK. I have no problems when it came to the actual birth but hospitals aren't five star hotels. Getting any kind of rest/relaxation was a joke. At home it was just myself, DH and Gwen. DH would leave the dogs in their kennels/boot them outside if they got too loud, handled all phone calls from curious relatives and did all the chores around the house. I had as much peace/quiet as I wanted. I also prefer my own bed, hospital beds are horrible uncomfortable, especially for someone with stitches in her nether regions. lol, it's a question of perspective! I saw it as people taking care of me! Making sure that my room was clean and help with navigating all the paperwork was also great!
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 6, 2014 9:57:51 GMT -5
Wow, really?! If you are completed blind to the fact that you posted on this thread for the sole purpose of attacking me and contributed nothing to the subject manner at hand, you are completely hopeless. I echoed your attack to show you how random and mean spirited it was. I didn't engage you, you engaged me! But that's cool, you can be my nemesis on this board. I never had a nemesis before! I find that hard to believe What do you find hard to believe? As far as I know, you haven't chimed in once with a breastfeeding or delivery story? The only thing that you have done is randomly attack me? Call it mean spirited if you want, but I call it telling the truth! Other people have disagreed with me on this thread. and we debated like adults, offering our perspective, asking for clarifications and conceding points. You, on the other hand, randomly attack me, and think that I'll back down. All you're doing right now is providing me with amusement with your silliness. And for that, I truly thank you!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 9:59:50 GMT -5
What I didn't get is they had me hooked up to a machine that took my blood pressure/temperature automatically and then sent the information to the nurse's station. Why on top of that do you need to come into my room constantly to do the exact same thing?
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 10:01:57 GMT -5
I hate that so many of us have such feelings of guilt and inadequacy around having babies. That shit is hard work and every single labor is different. I think having a doula sounds pretty ideal. Maybe I'll get knocked up just to test my theory. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards I had c sections and if anyone thinks I did it wrong, they can bite me. I definitely don't think a c-section is wrong. I'm thrilled its an option when the alternative used to be losing mom and baby and if I had (or in the future) need one then I'm even happier about having them available. Same with formula. I'm glad I live in a part of the world where the worst that happens if I don't make enough milk is that stupid people might judge me. In many places if I don't make enough milk my baby would die. Sign me up for formula anyday over that. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 10:07:44 GMT -5
Let's see I was woken up at least 3x a night so they could check my blood pressure, take my temperature and ask me if I peed/pooped that day. Then I had the social security guy show up at 1 am wanting me to fill out birth certificate paperwork and he got quite pissy when DH tried to throw him out because I was sleeping. Then there was the welfare office lady who showed up and grilled me about whether or not I was married and if I needed welfare. Then there were the janitors that came in/out mopping up the floors and taking out trash on a regular basis. Hospitals SUCK. I have no problems when it came to the actual birth but hospitals aren't five star hotels. Getting any kind of rest/relaxation was a joke. At home it was just myself, DH and Gwen. DH would leave the dogs in their kennels/boot them outside if they got too loud, handled all phone calls from curious relatives and did all the chores around the house. I had as much peace/quiet as I wanted. I also prefer my own bed, hospital beds are horrible uncomfortable, especially for someone with stitches in her nether regions. the hospital I gave birth in has the top L & D unit in the state, so my experience wasn't bad. Yeah I wasn't in the mood to eat after I gave birth (they gave me a tray of spaghetti & meatballs and broccoli at like 1:30am), but I did pick at it since I hadn't eaten in over 10 hours. I did NOT appreciate having DS wheeled in in a baby incubator at like 5am and being told that he had a protein condition that meant he had to be in the NICU. That was pretty upsetting, but they were doing their job. I did NOT like nurses checking on my nether regions every few hours or getting my vitals checked, but again they were doing their job. I'd rather be inconvenienced a bit while in the hospital than be home earlier and scramble to get to the hospital if some emergency happened. But that's a personal choice. I am very risk averse when it comes to my health and I'm willing to sacrifice some comfort.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 10:16:41 GMT -5
I get it was all hospital policy and for my own good yada yada, that's why I didn't murder anyone. I won't go AMA, but if the doctor says I am okay to leave then I will be out of here in the blink of an eye.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 6, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -5
Well, i was induced twice and in my "circle" of homeschooling mommies it's a huge no-no.
Not to mention that I got all kinds of looks when I mentioned that yes, I take my kids to their WBV on AAP's schedule.
As far as C-sections go, I think it's hugely depends on your doctor. I was a great candidate for it with my 2nd, but she knew how much I wanted to avoid it and she worked with me as much as she could instead of simply saying that it's my only choice
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 10:21:46 GMT -5
why do I have a vision of you holding Abigail in one arm and holding out the other arm like you're trying to make a run to the endzone?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 6, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -5
The first day at the hospital after each C section was great. The nurses took care of me and I had a catheter so I didn't wake up every 5 minutes to pee. (I was really short on sleep at the end of each pregnancy due to the peeing issue.) Anyway, the nurses were very helpful and responsive the first 12 hours or so. Then, I was practically on my own. The nurses said I was independent. Um, I called you 20 minutes ago. Despite having had my stomach sliced in half, I can still get myself up to pee or take care of my baby. Do you want me to listen to him cry for 20 minutes as you take your sweet time getting here to help me?
Anyway, I was really ready to go by the end of 3 days, though the food was good. The last day, the nurses pretty much ignore you anyways. They say they'll be back in an hour, then 3 hours go by...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 10:24:18 GMT -5
why do I have a vision of you holding Abigail in one arm and holding out the other arm like you're trying to make a run to the endzone I'm more likely to run people over with the wheelchair they try to stick you in when you leave.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 6, 2014 10:35:23 GMT -5
I'm sure it's meant for emergency anesthesia, a spinal or an epidural wouldn't count. But plenty of people have eaten and drank before having some sort of an emergency and they've been okay.
It depends on what the risk is. I went into the ER with a gall bladder attack from hell. I had eaten exactly haf an English muffin and a few sips of coffee. The GI doc pumped me with enough morphine for several hours to handle the pain to wait a bit before I could have anesthesia.
In this case, the risk of waiting a bit was less than running the risk of aspiration. Had my appendix burst, waiting probably would not be an option as the risk of waiting is greater than the risk of anesthesia with food.
Regardless, no doctor wants to lose a patient and they will do what is necessary to decrease THEIR risk, because they don't know if you have a sue happy family. Even if it is not their fault, that hasn't stopped many.
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Post by Annie7 on Aug 6, 2014 10:49:13 GMT -5
Drama - I had 3 kids with a midwife in a freestanding birth center. explain to him that to a midwife birth is a normal event that doesn't require them to 'do' anything until a problem presents itself....unlike a doctor who's trained to 'fix' things and has a hard time standing by. send him to me if you want and I'll smack some sense into him. any yeah, all came home way less than 24 hours (baby #3 was home when he was 6 hours old).
My second one was with a midwife too. And I couldn't have been happier. With my first, the Dr was yawning and was in the room just to catch the baby (DS1 was born at 11:51 pm). With DS2 (born at 1:09 am), he was turned around and his spine was rubbing against mine (can't remember the term for this) and I had severe pain. The midwife was there massaging my back for the 20-30 minutes of labor and was coaching me through it. The birth was in a hospital, so there were Drs around if there were any complications. But I so much preferred the midwife over the Dr. Even during the checkups during pregnancy, she would spend 15-20 minutes each time compared to the 2-3 minutes spent by the Dr. So, atleast for the second one, I heartily endorse having a midwife.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 6, 2014 10:49:35 GMT -5
Let's see I was woken up at least 3x a night so they could check my blood pressure, take my temperature and ask me if I peed/pooped that day. Then I had the social security guy show up at 1 am wanting me to fill out birth certificate paperwork and he got quite pissy when DH tried to throw him out because I was sleeping. Then there was the welfare office lady who showed up and grilled me about whether or not I was married and if I needed welfare. Then there were the janitors that came in/out mopping up the floors and taking out trash on a regular basis. Hospitals SUCK. I have no problems when it came to the actual birth but hospitals aren't five star hotels. Getting any kind of rest/relaxation was a joke. At home it was just myself, DH and Gwen. DH would leave the dogs in their kennels/boot them outside if they got too loud, handled all phone calls from curious relatives and did all the chores around the house. I had as much peace/quiet as I wanted. I also prefer my own bed, hospital beds are horrible uncomfortable, especially for someone with stitches in her nether regions. These same people (or equivalents) show up regardless of why you are in the hospital. I got to see Social services, janitors, dieticians, OT, PT, respiratory therapy, nurses, etc. and it seemed like I had no more than gone to sleep than they arrived. As I was waking up every 3 hours for pain meds....which took up to 90 min to arrive (and pain had woken me up, so no sleep until I got the meds), I would get really pissy when the residents did their rounds at 4:30 am. Being in a hospital is exhausting.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 10:52:38 GMT -5
Well, i was induced twice and in my "circle" of homeschooling mommies it's a huge no-no. Not to mention that I got all kinds of looks when I mentioned that yes, I take my kids to their WBV on AAP's schedule. As far as C-sections go, I think it's hugely depends on your doctor. I was a great candidate for it with my 2nd, but she knew how much I wanted to avoid it and she worked with me as much as she could instead of simply saying that it's my only choice WBV?? AAP?? I don't know these things. C-Section was mentioned briefly with my first. At that point I had been in labor for ~24 hours, been hooked up to picotin for like 10 hours, and was still stuck at 4 cm. They were getting to the point where they were concerned things weren't progressing & didn't want to wait too long. Turns out I go from 4 cm to baby popping out in about 30 minutes, happened with all 3 of mine.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 6, 2014 10:52:43 GMT -5
Childbirth itself carries a risk of death. It's amazing we all survived!!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 10:53:07 GMT -5
I liked my OB at Creighton but she doesn't have privileges here. She was on surgery rotation the day I gave birth so she didn't get to deliver Gwen. I have no complaints against the resident who did, she did an excellent job.
I've only been over here for a year so I asked the receptionist at the desk who she'd recommend and she said the midwives are very popular and suggested I give them a try. I'd be referred to an OB if there are any complications or I could switch at anytime if I didn't mesh with the midwives.
But I've been happy so far. I've only met two of them. I really like one and the other one I am kinda lukewarm towards but she does a good job. They are working on getting me into see the other three before I give birth so I'll be familiar with whomever is on call when I go into labor.
I would get really pissy when the residents did their rounds at 4:30 am.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 6, 2014 10:56:54 GMT -5
Well, i was induced twice and in my "circle" of homeschooling mommies it's a huge no-no. Not to mention that I got all kinds of looks when I mentioned that yes, I take my kids to their WBV on AAP's schedule. As far as C-sections go, I think it's hugely depends on your doctor. I was a great candidate for it with my 2nd, but she knew how much I wanted to avoid it and she worked with me as much as she could instead of simply saying that it's my only choice WBV?? AAP?? I don't know these things. C-Section was mentioned briefly with my first. At that point I had been in labor for ~24 hours, been hooked up to picotin for like 10 hours, and was still stuck at 4 cm. They were getting to the point where they were concerned things weren't progressing & didn't want to wait too long. Turns out I go from 4 cm to baby popping out in about 30 minutes, happened with all 3 of mine. Well-baby visits and American Academy of Pediatrics - you weren't given a schedule before you left the hospital?
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 11:00:29 GMT -5
It's an urban myth. Correlation = causation. It's also self-defeating if a vaginal birth is your goal. I could not have pushed dd out with an epi. I've done both. I know how differently I push between the 2. So no, I'm not making this up. And statistically every intervention makes another intervention more likely. I didn't say it caused it just that it becomes more likely. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards Interesting that you felt a difference in pushing between epi & non-epi. I had 2 with epis & one completely natural & noticed no difference in my ability to push. But then it literally took 1-3 pushes for each, so I never had the whole pushing for hours experience that some talk about.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 11:00:42 GMT -5
I remember having a decent delivery experience as far as hospital staff goes. I did lose my original L & D nurse early on - turns out one of her other patients needed to go to the ER to deliver. But they replaced her with another very nice and attentive nurse. She did "yell" at me when I got up to use the bathroom. I was basically like, "I think I can tell the difference between pushing for the baby and pushing for other things, so I got this!" Every time she turned up my pitocin drip, I told her that she really didn't have to do that and that I was fine being at this level of pain, lol. My ob/gyn was awesome - she didn't stay the whole time (nowhere near), but she was nice and attentive. It did feel like I waited forever for that damn epi though - it was probably like 25 mins but it felt like an hour.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 11:01:49 GMT -5
WBV?? AAP?? I don't know these things. C-Section was mentioned briefly with my first. At that point I had been in labor for ~24 hours, been hooked up to picotin for like 10 hours, and was still stuck at 4 cm. They were getting to the point where they were concerned things weren't progressing & didn't want to wait too long. Turns out I go from 4 cm to baby popping out in about 30 minutes, happened with all 3 of mine. Well-baby visits and American Academy of Pediatrics - you weren't given a schedule before you left the hospital? I don't know, I probably was. I just schedule my next appointment when the doctor says I should be back. I'm guessing that follows AAP recommendations. What schedule do the other women follow?
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