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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2014 12:06:47 GMT -5
My only issue is now my "apron." I get the feeling that the only way to get rid of that is surgically via a tummy tuck.
Have another baby - I've heard that certain surgeons will perform a tummy tuck right after the C-section I asked. I was told no.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:07:22 GMT -5
The links also say that from 2001-2009 the rate of SIDS has remained unchanged even though the reporting of back-sleeping has gone up. If SIDS was caused by tummy sleeping then it should have gone down as back sleeping went up. It appears to have way more complex causes that they are just now starting to understand (race is a big factor, birth weight, and now some studies on brain issues). I'm not saying it's not worth mentioning to sleep on their backs, but if the baby prefers their tummy it isn't a death sentence either. Provided the other factors are accounted for (safe sleeping environment, controlled temps, not smoking in the house) I don't see that there's a statistical difference in back v. tummy. Of course it isn't a death sentence. Neither is riding in a car without an infant seat. But why someone would risk it is what I don't understand. That said, i have have let my older daughter ride in a short car ride without a car seat and my younger daughter has ridden in her cat seat without being buckled. All three kids have also sleep on my chest, on their stomachs. But as a general rule, I wouldn't recommend either. Maybe that is just hypocritical on my part. I'm just saying that after seeing the actual data on it I am not convinced it is a risk. If you don't feel comfortable with it after seeing the data, then by all means keep the kid on it's back. We will probably start J out that way but if he sleeps better on his tummy then I am not going to stress out about it either. It's really such a short period of time anyway - kids start rolling pretty well about 4 months which coincidentally is also when the SIDS risk starts to drop off too. Once they can roll it doesn't matter - they will sleep however they want to sleep.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 7, 2014 12:08:03 GMT -5
Not true at home, Maybe it is because I am not a scientist, but when every doctor in the country recommends something, to me, that means something.Sadly, that means nothing. I can give you a dozen instances of procedures that doctors recommended that turned out to be wrong. It takes a LOT of medical evidence to change a medical paradigm. You wouldn't believe the work that it took to prove that ulcers were caused by H. pylori and even after tomes of evidence, many doctors refused to believe that ulcers could be an infection. It means nothing? not even a little something?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 7, 2014 12:09:40 GMT -5
Of course it isn't a death sentence. Neither is riding in a car without an infant seat. But why someone would risk it is what I don't understand. That said, i have have let my older daughter ride in a short car ride without a car seat and my younger daughter has ridden in her cat seat without being buckled. All three kids have also sleep on my chest, on their stomachs. But as a general rule, I wouldn't recommend either. Maybe that is just hypocritical on my part. I'm just saying that after seeing the actual data on it I am not convinced it is a risk. If you don't feel comfortable with it after seeing the data, then by all means keep the kid on it's back. We will probably start J out that way but if he sleeps better on his tummy then I am not going to stress out about it either. It's really such a short period of time anyway - kids start rolling pretty well about 4 months which coincidentally is also when the SIDS risk starts to drop off too. Once they can roll it doesn't matter - they will sleep however they want to sleep. That is cool. I guess my only thing to say would be that to any lurker reading this, it is a risk.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 7, 2014 12:10:49 GMT -5
What I thought was pretty cool was when DS2 was in the hospital at around 3 months, they raised the head of the crib and placed a rolled up quilt under the sheet in a u-shape around him. It kept him in place, but allowed his head to be up which helped with his congestion. The nurse said she wished they made cribs where the head could be lifted for babies with acid reflux or congestion, but maybe too many parents wouldn't be able to use them right. ETA - I still have the quilt. I call it my $3500 blanket because DS2 probably didn't need to hospitalized overnight & at least I got something out of the ordeal
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2014 12:11:57 GMT -5
It's been awhile. Are there two mattresses for a crib or only one? Maybe it can be propped up on one end?
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2014 12:12:48 GMT -5
It's been awhile. Are there two mattresses for a crib or only one? Maybe it can be propped up on one end? One.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 7, 2014 12:13:25 GMT -5
Just one. The nurse did say that they tell parents to place books or something under one end of the mattress if their kid needs to be at an angle. She just thought it was stupid that they didn't just make cribs that could accomplish the same thing.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 7, 2014 12:13:30 GMT -5
Most cribs have springs that you can move to drop the mattress as the kid gets bigger. I've read to raise one side of the mattress springs and not the other so you get a slight elevation of the mattress.
We used the bouncy seat anytime Gwen had croup.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:13:46 GMT -5
You can prop up a crib mattress with something underneath the mattress & between the springs. I don't know that I would feel comfortable leaving them like that unsupervised incase they managed to get loose and roll into a corner somehow.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:14:54 GMT -5
Vaginal Birth After C-Section OMG, I had to read it 3 times before I realized it DIDN'T mean vaginal birth after they already made the c-section cut....
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2014 12:15:28 GMT -5
Do they still have those things that go all the way around the crib? Bumper pads? Or whatever? DS used to squirm until his head was jammed into the corner. I'm amazed he's still alive, he certainly tried not to be. Weirdo.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:16:26 GMT -5
I'm just saying that after seeing the actual data on it I am not convinced it is a risk. If you don't feel comfortable with it after seeing the data, then by all means keep the kid on it's back. We will probably start J out that way but if he sleeps better on his tummy then I am not going to stress out about it either. It's really such a short period of time anyway - kids start rolling pretty well about 4 months which coincidentally is also when the SIDS risk starts to drop off too. Once they can roll it doesn't matter - they will sleep however they want to sleep. That is cool. I guess my only thing to say would be that to any lurker reading this, it is a risk talk to their doctors, look at the data, and make their own decisions. BTW Archie, how is the little guy doing? He's what, 2 months now?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:17:02 GMT -5
Do they still have those things that go all the way around the crib? Bumper pads? Or whatever? DS used to squirm until his head was jammed into the corner. I'm amazed he's still alive, he certainly tried not to be. Weirdo. DS did that all the time. I must say I preferred it to the THUMP in the middle of the night when he'd fall out of his toddler bed.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 7, 2014 12:18:46 GMT -5
That is cool. I guess my only thing to say would be that to any lurker reading this, it is a risk. BTW Archie, how is the little guy doing? He's what, 2 months now? Almost. On the 13th he will be. He is doing really well. Just starting to notice things like toys hanging from his seat and his sisters. Sleeping and eating well and growing like gangbusters. He is usually cranky from when I get home until he goes to bed.... hmmm... Here he is with his sisters.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 7, 2014 12:19:27 GMT -5
Not true at home, Maybe it is because I am not a scientist, but when every doctor in the country recommends something, to me, that means something.Sadly, that means nothing. I can give you a dozen instances of procedures that doctors recommended that turned out to be wrong. It takes a LOT of medical evidence to change a medical paradigm. You wouldn't believe the work that it took to prove that ulcers were caused by H. pylori and even after tomes of evidence, many doctors refused to believe that ulcers could be an infection. It means nothing? not even a little something? That all doctors say the same thing? Just because all doctors say something, it's the party line.....even if there is no evidence. From what Sam has posted, the evidence is sketchy at best, and it sounds like there are other issues that may be more important. However, unless you tease out all those factors, it's just easier to say an unequivocal 'no tummy sleeping'. A pharmacology professor of mine was on the President's/Surgeon General's panel to look at FAS and drinking. She said that their instructions were that they wanted to know a level of alcohol where there would be 100% no FAS in infants. The ONLY way to guarantee 100% no FAS is to say no alcohol whatsoever, even though at the time they knew that it took a certain amount. However, the amount was a range and not all alcohol is the same. One person's glass of wine is not the same as another's, like different strengths of mixed drinks. So while these scientists knew what they could suggest, their instructions made them make the decision that they made. She said that they argued up one side and down the other with the instructions, but they wanted 100% no FAS.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2014 12:19:28 GMT -5
Yup, DD was tested for leukemia because she was bruised all over. Finally put her twin bed right next to the wall and her nightstand on the other side about in the middle. Then a pillow to protect her from the nightstand hurting her. I can't tell you how many times I put her to bed "normal" and the next morning her feet were on the pillow and she was somewhere under the covers.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 7, 2014 12:20:06 GMT -5
Aww, I didn't know Archie had a new arrival.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2014 12:20:36 GMT -5
Archie, love your family!
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Post by yogiii on Aug 7, 2014 12:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 7, 2014 12:22:51 GMT -5
You can prop up a crib mattress with something underneath the mattress & between the springs. I don't know that I would feel comfortable leaving them like that unsupervised incase they managed to get loose and roll into a corner somehow. Can't you just take the mattress out and adjust the springs so that they're higher on one side than the other? As I remember cribs, there was the ability to adjust the height of the mattress from the top of the crib.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 7, 2014 12:23:42 GMT -5
Most cribs have springs that you can move to drop the mattress as the kid gets bigger. I've read to raise one side of the mattress springs and not the other so you get a slight elevation of the mattress. We used the bouncy seat anytime Gwen had croup. I have no idea what this means. I still use the drop side crib that DS1 used 6 years ago, so maybe this is a new thing.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 7, 2014 12:23:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah... Forgot to add that to my oncoming midlife crisis post. Have had the minivan for a year in preparation of this. On the plus side, the wife absolutely loves i.t
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 7, 2014 12:24:53 GMT -5
OMG, I had to read it 3 times before I realized it DIDN'T mean vaginal birth after they already made the c-section cut.... That is the funniest thing I've read so far today. Bumper pads still exist but you aren't supposed to use them because allegedly babies can roll over into them, become trapped and suffocate. They do sell mesh bumpers which are breathable (and DH tested this by smashing his face into them and breathing deep). We got a set because we were tired of Gwen waking up every night with her foot or arm stuck in the slats. Once she could roll over the kid flopped around like a dying fish in her sleep. ..still does only now she falls out of the bed.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 7, 2014 12:26:54 GMT -5
Most cribs have springs that you can move to drop the mattress as the kid gets bigger. I've read to raise one side of the mattress springs and not the other so you get a slight elevation of the mattress. We used the bouncy seat anytime Gwen had croup. I have no idea what this means. I still use the drop side crib that DS1 used 6 years ago, so maybe this is a new thing. Gwen's crib is 4 years old. The box springs have little latches on them with hooks to attach to the crib base. We can raise/lower the springs which in turn adjusts the height of the mattress.
If I wanted to elevate the head of the mattress DH would have had to remove the mattress and then move one side of the box springs up a notch. Then put the mattress back in only it'd lay at a tilt.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 7, 2014 12:30:24 GMT -5
I have no idea what this means. I still use the drop side crib that DS1 used 6 years ago, so maybe this is a new thing. Gwen's crib is 4 years old. The box springs have little latches on them with hooks to attach to the crib base. We can raise/lower the springs which in turn adjusts the height of the mattress.
If I wanted to elevate the head of the mattress DH would have had to remove the mattress and then move one side of the box springs up a notch. Then put the mattress back in only it'd lay at a tilt.
That is completely different from my crib, which is probably why I was confused. My mattress sits on basically a big piece of plywood held up by boards on the long sides of the crib. The boards pop into little slots on the end to raise or lower. I suppose you could raise one end slightly, but maybe only an inch because more than that & the boards aren't going to be able to pop into place.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 7, 2014 12:32:54 GMT -5
My only issue is now my "apron." I get the feeling that the only way to get rid of that is surgically via a tummy tuck.
Have another baby - I've heard that certain surgeons will perform a tummy tuck right after the C-section I asked. I was told no. I also asked and they told me that no, and they never do that. I was very disappointed. Which makes sense, you need everything including your organs to go back to their proper place before you try to reshape anything permanently.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:34:27 GMT -5
Honestly DH does the crib adjustments so I am sure one side could be lifted up pretty easily. They had those inclined Nap Nannies that were popular for awhile but got recalled because people would set their babies in them and leave them unattended. Like all the bumbo seats now have straps and tell you not to set it up on the counter. Shoot, there's a warning on the side of our baby bathtub that says not to carry the kid around in the tub full of water. Sometimes I wonder about people.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 7, 2014 12:35:55 GMT -5
I asked. I was told no. I also asked and they told me that no, and they never do that. I was very disappointed. Which makes sense, you need everything including your organs to go back to their proper place before you try to reshape anything permanently. They even told SIL no after having the quads. I really wish insurance would cover a tummy tuck after that though, poor girl. No amount of exercise can help at that point.
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 7, 2014 12:36:11 GMT -5
Vaginal Birth After C-Section OMG, I had to read it 3 times before I realized it DIDN'T mean vaginal birth after they already made the c-section cut.... Seriously, that would be beyond cruel!
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