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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 14:39:31 GMT -5
ummmmm, no, I'm not the one missing the point. I'm talking about one group of low risk women who started with a midwife and a completely separate group of low risk women who started with an OB. not women who transferred from a midwife to an OB. the second group NEVER had care from the midwife. so for example, 10 low risk women - 5 managed by a midwife and the other 5 managed by an OB (never receiving care from a midwife).And I am talking about 10 low risk women, 5 managed by midwife and other 5 managed by OB. However, 2 women from the midwife group develop complications during pregnancy and are diverted to OB. That leaves 3 low risk women who proceed to delivery. However, you are comparing it to a group of 5 low risk women in the OB group, where 2 have had complications. Because the OB can handle the complications, his 'low risk' patients are not diverted. Again, the midwives are dealing with the lowest of the low risk patients only. The OB is dealing with low risk patients on a spectrum. no, only the outcomes of the women who remained low risk are compared. so if 2 of the OB patients become high risk, they aren't counted any more.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 14:44:06 GMT -5
Huh, turns out there is a freestanding birth clinic here in Bellevue. Gotta love Google.
I've been browsing their web site and DAMN, I wish hospital rooms were like that!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 6, 2014 14:44:39 GMT -5
What is the name and author of this study, I'd like to read it. Quite frankly, I don't buy it and would have to look at the actual numbers to see what they did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 14:45:44 GMT -5
here is the United States - which is where I gave birth - low risk women who use a midwife have better outcomes when compared to similar groups of low risk women who use OBs. I really don't care about the statistics in the Netherlands - they have a different healthcare system, education and training, etc.This is another place where you are trying to compare apples to oranges. A midwife is going to only handle low risk deliveries and will divert any that could cause problems to an OB, even if they have been low risk for the better part of their pregnancy. So her outcome is ONLY going to be the lowest of low risk patients. The OB, OTOH is going to see both low and high risk patients all the time. So if his low risk patient has a problem, he's going to deal with it because he's been trained to do so. It's all a matter of how they put the spin on the statistics. for the millionth time - the comparison is between patients who stayed low risk through their entire pregnancy. this really isn't rocket science.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 6, 2014 14:51:17 GMT -5
idk, my baby belly was totally gone by 7 days pp, and I was back to my exact starting weight by my 6 week pp check-up. Bring the hate, bitches! <<puts down chocolate and wanders out of thread>> stupid skinny bitches! Don't let good chocolate go to waste! I too was back to my pre-pregnancy weight within weeks, but guess what --- menopause (aided by that universal medication called chocolate) took care of that. Now I am "zaftig"
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 14:53:15 GMT -5
Speaking of pediatricians - we had to do our first sick kid visit for DD today (she's 19 months old). She's polk-a-dotted! The doctor says it is just an allergic reaction to a virus. Holy cow, the kid looks terrible! That is so crazy. Just 2 weeks ago I had the same thing happen to me. I have a lot of allergies, so first the first day I kept thinking I ate something or got exposed to something. Spent 3 days taking benedryl every 4 hours to keep the hives under control before I finally sucked it up & went to the doc. Said I was reacting to a virus & it should go away in a few days (and I might get sick too). Had me taking a double dose of allegra in the morning & a double dose of zyrtec at night in the mean time. It was freaking crazy.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 6, 2014 14:58:59 GMT -5
holy crap, if i had to push for 2 hrs - we would have minus 2 kids right now. anyone who pushed for that long and then had another baby - you win the bestest mother award right from the start! I did it I finally one a bestest mother award!
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 6, 2014 15:02:06 GMT -5
Speaking of pediatricians - we had to do our first sick kid visit for DD today (she's 19 months old). She's polk-a-dotted! The doctor says it is just an allergic reaction to a virus. Holy cow, the kid looks terrible! That is so crazy. Just 2 weeks ago I had the same thing happen to me. I have a lot of allergies, so first the first day I kept thinking I ate something or got exposed to something. Spent 3 days taking benedryl every 4 hours to keep the hives under control before I finally sucked it up & went to the doc. Said I was reacting to a virus & it should go away in a few days (and I might get sick too). Had me taking a double dose of allegra in the morning & a double dose of zyrtec at night in the mean time. It was freaking crazy. It may go away that quickly but don't be surprised if it doesn't. I had a reaction to the flu a few years back and became allergic to the cold. Every time I got cold I would break out in hives. I want to add that it took most of a year to go away and it started in January in NJ. Needless to say it was one rough year!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 6, 2014 15:02:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Anne.....something like this is pretty much what I was thinking happened.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 15:07:24 GMT -5
7 hours of pushing No from the time I was admitted to the time Gwen made her appearance. Thank goodness! You scared me thinking you had 7 hours of pushing If you don't remember how many pushes or how long, then it was probably pretty short.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 15:09:47 GMT -5
That is so crazy. Just 2 weeks ago I had the same thing happen to me. I have a lot of allergies, so first the first day I kept thinking I ate something or got exposed to something. Spent 3 days taking benedryl every 4 hours to keep the hives under control before I finally sucked it up & went to the doc. Said I was reacting to a virus & it should go away in a few days (and I might get sick too). Had me taking a double dose of allegra in the morning & a double dose of zyrtec at night in the mean time. It was freaking crazy. It may go away that quickly but don't be surprised if it doesn't. I had a reaction to the flu a few years back and became allergic to the cold. Every time I got cold I would break out in hives. I want to add that it took most of a year to go away and it started in January in NJ. Needless to say it was one rough year! Not happy about this! The double dose of 2 allergy meds kept the hives away for the most part, so at least I know how to handle it now. I hope it doesn't happen again because that really sucked.
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Post by Abby Normal on Aug 6, 2014 15:10:59 GMT -5
I just recall the nurses noted it took 7 hours which I guess is pretty short for a first time mom. Me too. Hadn't really even felt contractions before my water broke. They say the second kids are faster. That's why we never had a second- damn thing might have just fallen out.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2014 15:12:58 GMT -5
They say the second kids are faster.
Oh shit. DH better not decide he has time to stop at the Kwik shop for a Mtn Dew this time!
If you don't remember how many pushes or how long, then it was probably pretty short.
I know the afterbirth part was really short. They were getting Gwen all cleaned up and the resident was settling in to wait when she yells "bowl!" and out the placenta flew. The nurse was a good catch.
They were surprised it came out all in one piece too they said normally it takes on average 10-15 minutes before the placenta makes it way out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 15:14:16 GMT -5
holy crap, if i had to push for 2 hrs - we would have minus 2 kids right now. anyone who pushed for that long and then had another baby - you win the bestest mother award right from the start! It sucked. The epidural wore off in the last 15 minutes when things were the worst, I was exhausted and my face was completely blood shot from burst vessels. They used a vacuum extractor and I needed an episiotomy. I remember asking for a Diet Pepsi afterwards and it was the BEST Diet Pepsi I ever had in my life. To top it off, he was just a little 6 pound 11 ounce peanut. Next one was super easy. I think the first blazed the trail and stretched me all out.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 6, 2014 15:15:42 GMT -5
Speaking of pediatricians - we had to do our first sick kid visit for DD today (she's 19 months old). She's polk-a-dotted! The doctor says it is just an allergic reaction to a virus. Holy cow, the kid looks terrible! That is so crazy. Just 2 weeks ago I had the same thing happen to me. I have a lot of allergies, so first the first day I kept thinking I ate something or got exposed to something. Spent 3 days taking benedryl every 4 hours to keep the hives under control before I finally sucked it up & went to the doc. Said I was reacting to a virus & it should go away in a few days (and I might get sick too). Had me taking a double dose of allegra in the morning & a double dose of zyrtec at night in the mean time. It was freaking crazy. Yikes! I hope this is a one time thing (for you and for us). At least with a 19 month old, staying home all the time is possible!
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 6, 2014 15:19:19 GMT -5
They say the second kids are faster.
Oh shit. DH better not decide he has time to stop at the Kwik shop for a Mtn Dew this time!
If you don't remember how many pushes or how long, then it was probably pretty short.
I know the afterbirth part was really short. They were getting Gwen all cleaned up and the resident was settling in to wait when she yells "bowl!" and out the placenta flew. The nurse was a good catch.
They were surprised it came out all in one piece too they said normally it takes on average 10-15 minutes before the placenta makes it way out. Pretty much everyone I know, second ones were a lot faster. Jocelyn was 3.5 hrs from the time the doctor broke my water (I was induced) and it was only about an hour and a half of regular contractions (they took a while to get going). I was 9.5 CM and pushing before I felt like it was any different than my BH contractions I'd been having for the last trimester. Which is why I swear she would have been born at home if I had not been induced. No way would we have made it to the hospital on time. Shoot, no way an ambulance would have made it to our house.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 6, 2014 15:22:31 GMT -5
It may go away that quickly but don't be surprised if it doesn't. I had a reaction to the flu a few years back and became allergic to the cold. Every time I got cold I would break out in hives. I want to add that it took most of a year to go away and it started in January in NJ. Needless to say it was one rough year! Not happy about this! The double dose of 2 allergy meds kept the hives away for the most part, so at least I know how to handle it now. I hope it doesn't happen again because that really sucked. I literally carried around a bottle of liquid benedryl with me for a yea. Just taking a shower was an ordeal. I eventually rigged up heat lamps for when I got out of the shower but the first few showers almost literally killed me. God does that sound crazy!
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 15:22:58 GMT -5
I just recall the nurses noted it took 7 hours which I guess is pretty short for a first time mom. Me too. Hadn't really even felt contractions before my water broke. They say the second kids are faster. That's why we never had a second- damn thing might have just fallen out. Mine damn near did. No one was even in the room with me so I had to start yelling. Nurse comes racing in & puts her hand between my leg yelling "Don't Push, Don't Push". Several more nurses came racing in & man they can move when they want to get that room set up quick. Also managed to find some random doctor before the next contraction to catch DD. The nurse later apologized for yelling at me & said I definitely made their night interesting.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 6, 2014 15:25:46 GMT -5
I didn't have a third because of how much bigger my second was compared to my first. So while it was shorter pushing he didn't exactly fall out either. Although I guess going from five and a half hours to two and a half is an improvement. If my first kid was 8 lbs 7 oz and the second was 10 lbs 2 oz what would my third have weighed?
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 15:31:57 GMT -5
11 hours for the first, 7 for the second. Once I know I am in labor I need to high-tail it straight to L& with this kiddo!! My DH can't handle blood or needles in any fashion so if we don't make it I will be delivering him myself or dependent on the help of kind strangers I REALLY don't want that to happen. Another reason why I am glad I will likely be induced.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2014 15:42:45 GMT -5
I expected my 2nd to go really quick, but they were both 13 hours from first contraction to holding a slimy baby. The fear of having a bigger baby makes me nervous about wanting a 3rd.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 15:56:29 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with people choosing home birthing or birth centers if they understand the risk but most don't. This is my problem with a lot of the mommy blogs out there. Reading someone's opinions and anecdotal stories is not equivalent to actual research. And I am not talking about singlemom choosing a birthing center - I fully believe she is a smart woman and understood what her options were and made the best choice for her family at the time, which is great. Its what we all should do. But there's a lot of bad info out there from birthing to vaccines to using essential oils to treat your kids without consulting a doctor. Just because something is "natural" doesn't make it safe. And people in research and practicing medicine are still people too - I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that Western Medicine is out to annhilate the human race to make a buck. And just like some pps pointed out earlier in the thread, there's a lot of bad research out there and things can easily be skewed for a certain agenda.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 6, 2014 16:03:48 GMT -5
But there's a lot of bad info out there from birthing to vaccines to using essential oils to treat your kids without consulting a doctor. The amount misinformation on the internet is amazing. I have an acquaintance that was using essential oils to treat her son's bipolar condition along with a lump that showed up in his neck. Turns out the lump was cancer & she waited months to get it checked because she felt the oils would help. She still thinks they help though because mentally he is doing well & is cancer-free at the moment (probably mostly due to the surgery & chemo, not the oils ).
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Post by steph08 on Aug 6, 2014 16:05:08 GMT -5
If we have a second (doubtful), hopefully my water breaks at the hospital or OB's office. 2 hours from water breaking at home until DD was born at the hospital. I only pushed maybe 15 minutes - we weren't really paying attention. I was shocked at the whole we drove to the hospital and walked up to L&, joked around, got into a hospital bed and nurse tells me I'm 9 cm already and if I feel like pushing, don't! My DH had to step out into the hall right before I started to push to call our parents - we thought we would have more time, but nope.
Thanks labor class for saying average first-time mom labor is 18 hours. Not for me.
At 6 weeks post-partum, I am 7 pounds away from my pre-pregnancy weight. I think an extra 2 pounds is residing in my boobs.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 16:08:38 GMT -5
SIL swears by them. I am not convinced at all. I do think she's possibly taking risks with her family's health by using them (side effects, interactions with other medicines, possibly delaying treatment for something until it's too late like your cancer example) but I don't tell her so because 1) she didn't ask me and 2) not my kids/husband. They aren't actually being harmed in any way so not my place to say anything. So yes, I "judge" her and think it's stupid, but I am sure she thinks I do things that are stupid too.
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Post by justme on Aug 6, 2014 16:35:52 GMT -5
My SIL does too, and also sells them. I just wish there was better actual research out there. Even if I tell a Dr I'm doing something most just shrug not knowing of it would cause problems or not. Though I never avoid drs in favor of alternative stuff and really don't use it much at all.
Like my fave and pretty much only thing so far is putting oregano oil into steaming water and inhaling the steam when you're stuffed up. Clears me up better and longer than just regular steam, but I'm also taking the decongestants or pills or whatever my Dr gave me.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 6, 2014 16:44:12 GMT -5
I am instantly turned off by anything sold through MLM. Been burned by that route too many times before. If the oils were so great and effective, why can't I find them in the drugstore? There are plenty of other homeopathic remedies there. And I fully believe that Pfizer or any of the other drug companies would have found a way to mass market and sell them if they really were effective because there's serious money to be made in something that actually works. The fact that they have been "under the radar" makes me very leery. And no, I don't think consulting some handbook on how to mix up concoctions for every ailment under the sun written by non-doctors and given to people who may or may not follow the directions precisely is a good idea! Sure, there could be some therapeutic effect like relieving congestion or the aromatherapy aspect, but I don't buy their claims about healing at a cellular level. Sounds like bs to me. Of course, the MLM speech followed shortly after that so then I really was done listening. I wish I could find actual scientific studies on it one way or the other.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 6, 2014 16:47:46 GMT -5
I expected my 2nd to go really quick, but they were both 13 hours from first contraction to holding a slimy baby. The fear of having a bigger baby makes me nervous about wanting a 3rd. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards My third kid is a peanut. She was right at 8 lbs at birth. (My first was 8 lb, 11 oz, and second was 7 lbs and some ounces) She didn't hit 20lbs until she was a year. My first two were 20lbs at 4 months. For the first like 2 months of DD2's life I kept asking my H if we should get her tested, because she wasn't huge like the other children. Every day I swore something was wrong with her genetically. Now it's nice. We saved the cute clothes from DD1 that she outgrew too fast/couldn't wear. I'm enjoying them on DD2. I'm a little afraid of how big DD1 is going to be. She's like 3 shoe sizes behind her brother..and she's 3.5 years younger than him.
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Post by justme on Aug 6, 2014 17:06:09 GMT -5
I am instantly turned off by anything sold through MLM. Been burned by that route too many times before. If the oils were so great and effective, why can't I find them in the drugstore? There are plenty of other homeopathic remedies there. And I fully believe that Pfizer or any of the other drug companies would have found a way to mass market and sell them if they really were effective because there's serious money to be made in something that actually works. The fact that they have been "under the radar" makes me very leery. And no, I don't think consulting some handbook on how to mix up concoctions for every ailment under the sun written by non-doctors and given to people who may or may not follow the directions precisely is a good idea! Sure, there could be some therapeutic effect like relieving congestion or the aromatherapy aspect, but I don't buy their claims about healing at a cellular level. Sounds like bs to me. Of course, the MLM speech followed shortly after that so then I really was done listening. I wish I could find actual scientific studies on it one way or the other. Yeah...I think I'd have a bit more faith in the whole idea if there was no MLM aspect to it. Just glad my SIL has offered to get my anything I want at her cost and not given me the spiel.
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If we have a second (doubtful), hopefully my water breaks at the hospital or OB's office. 2 hours from water breaking at home until DD was born at the hospital. I only pushed maybe 15 minutes - we weren't really paying attention. I was shocked at the whole we drove to the hospital and walked up to L&, joked around, got into a hospital bed and nurse tells me I'm 9 cm already and if I feel like pushing, don't! My DH had to step out into the hall right before I started to push to call our parents - we thought we would have more time, but nope.
Thanks labor class for saying average first-time mom labor is 18 hours. Not for me.
At 6 weeks post-partum, I am 7 pounds away from my pre-pregnancy weight. I think an extra 2 pounds is residing in my boobs. my 2nd was 54 minutes from waking up at 1 am to my water breaking to baby in arms. was a little worried about the 3rd but he was 2.5 hours start to finish.
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