EVT1
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 14, 2014 18:44:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far- that law only works when someone is killed. What do you hit them with if the kid is only wounded or wounds a neighbor?
Perhaps a jury would be a lot more likely to find a guilty verdict to a charge of firearms negligence than negligent homicide- I think we need it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 20:25:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far- that law only works when someone is killed. What do you hit them with if the kid is only wounded or wounds a neighbor?
Perhaps a jury would be a lot more likely to find a guilty verdict to a charge of firearms negligence than negligent homicide- I think we need it.
Well... Can't say I didn't try. We already have it. I've posted it. You've posted it. It plainly exists. Those laws don't "only kick in if a child is killed", they kick in if a child gets POSSESSION of a firearm. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 17, 2014 17:32:02 GMT -5
This is why I asked on this thread how would you craft this law? Lone's comment is going to be one of the objections and its proponents will likely use the anti-gun argument against anyone who wants yet another law concerning guns.
The only law I would now like to see crafted would make it illegal for idiots to have children. I've been in situations where I've been panicked in the middle of the night and I couldn't even remember my own address or phone number. How in the world would I manage to get out of bed, make my way in the dark to the safe, remember the combination, get the gun, find the bullets and load it? I'd be better off throwing my alarm clock at the intruder. We don't need more gun laws. If you're so panicked in the middle of the night, you may likely shoot a family member or pet or neighbour. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 17, 2014 17:55:09 GMT -5
These accidents involving children probably happen every year just like kids and dogs dying in a too hot car. As long as humans are involved, it will likely never drop to 0 incidents per year.
Hopefully it was indeed an accident by the child. Usually its a sibling or a friend that is killed. I know its wrong, but just once I'd like to read about a sister accidently shooting a brother instead of the usual brother kills sister or other brother story. Here you go.
Boy, 2, fatally shot by 3-year-old sister with dad’s gun.
www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/23/boy-shot-killed-young-sister-dad-gun-utah
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:00:41 GMT -5
The only law I would now like to see crafted would make it illegal for idiots to have children. I've been in situations where I've been panicked in the middle of the night and I couldn't even remember my own address or phone number. How in the world would I manage to get out of bed, make my way in the dark to the safe, remember the combination, get the gun, find the bullets and load it? I'd be better off throwing my alarm clock at the intruder. We don't need more gun laws. If you're so panicked in the middle of the night, you may likely shoot a family member or pet or neighbour. I only have the gun out if DH is gone. The only pet we have is secured in another part of the house and if I woke in the middle of the night to discover a neighbor standing in my bedroom, then yes, I'd likely shoot him.  |
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 17, 2014 20:50:31 GMT -5
These accidents involving children probably happen every year just like kids and dogs dying in a too hot car. As long as humans are involved, it will likely never drop to 0 incidents per year.
Hopefully it was indeed an accident by the child. Usually its a sibling or a friend that is killed. I know its wrong, but just once I'd like to read about a sister accidently shooting a brother instead of the usual brother kills sister or other brother story. Here you go.
Boy, 2, fatally shot by 3-year-old sister with dad’s gun.
www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/23/boy-shot-killed-young-sister-dad-gun-utah
Just another 'accident'. The three year old should have been raised better to respect guns  No other gun owner's children would dare pick up a gun. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -5
I agree with you to an extent here. I don't think we need special laws, though. How are not one, but two, five year olds unsupervised long enough to have one go get a gun, and shoot the other one? It's child neglect, and the death is the result of negligence pure and simple. You are correct- there's nothing 'accidental' about this, and someone should be off to the big house as a result. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2014 8:50:38 GMT -5
Either that or felt they suffered enough- which is bullshit because I guarantee had one of them been driving drunk with kids in the car and the same kid got killed the jury wouldn't be so lenient. Similar to the prosecution of hot car deaths. Gun negligence gets a pass in this country because guns are somehow sacred. You really have a paranoid fixation on guns. Let it go. Honestly. I can't even agree with you in principle without you saying something silly when it involves guns. I don't think it matters if it's a gun, Drano, or one kid pushed the other kid out the window, or ran the other one over with a golf cart. It's child neglect, and the death is, I believe criminally so-- the result of negligence. The responsible adult should be punished. But we don't need special rules that pertain only to guns. Since you brought it up- I'll make the same point about drunk driving and texting while driving. We already have laws that provide punishment for reckless driving and driving while distracted. Just enforce them. If you lose concentration from driving for a few seconds, should it make a difference if you're drunk, texting, or it was your dog, or some papers you needed just blew out the window, or you were brushing your hair, combing your teeth, or putting on makeup, eating a cheeseburger, or trying to light a cigarette? If you kill someone- are they any less dead because you weren't drunk or texting? |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2014 8:51:32 GMT -5
Having guns and expecting young children to not " touch" the guns is putting all the responsibility on the young child rather than tbe adult. The adult should be responsible for securing the guns so that there would be no way for a small child to get their hands on it. Yeah we had guns in tge the closet and we respected that , blah blah. Its a different world now. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2014 9:34:47 GMT -5
These accidents involving children probably happen every year just like kids and dogs dying in a too hot car. As long as humans are involved, it will likely never drop to 0 incidents per year.
Hopefully it was indeed an accident by the child. Usually its a sibling or a friend that is killed. I know its wrong, but just once I'd like to read about a sister accidently shooting a brother instead of the usual brother kills sister or other brother story. Here you go.
Boy, 2, fatally shot by 3-year-old sister with dad’s gun.
www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/23/boy-shot-killed-young-sister-dad-gun-utah
Again, I have to ask: how are 2 and 3 year old children unsupervised long enough to get a gun and use it? I think leaving guns out is a very serious issue- but no more serious than leaving a 7th story window unprotected, or leaving a child in a car, running, or with the keys in the ignition unsupervised, or leaving the Drano unlocked. And I agree that CRIMINAL charges should be brought when a child is injured or killed due to the negligence of an adult. |
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 19, 2014 10:44:36 GMT -5
Did he even know the gun was in the drawer? Since it wasnt his gun. Some people are responsible when watching children and some aren't. Don't leave your kids with someone who isn't. DF was terrible "watching" his bio child. He thinks its funny that there's pictures of him asleep when he was supposed to be watching her. If I'd been his EX, I'd have been still in jail because I don't think that's funny at all. You blow it watching my kid once and you're not watching my kid again. Taking naps while you're supposed to be responsible isnt cool. Watching tv instead of the kid isn't cool, either.
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