Anti Semitism rising up

[Tennesseer]

Jul 30, 2014 17:25:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2014 14:00:47 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Really? Even though it is mandit ted in Florida, the public school I taught in didnt teach it. I had a teacher tell me she'd quit before she taught that or sex Ed, which is also required. She decided to teach gifted instead.

taught what?  the Holocaust?

We can only benefit by teaching and reminding others of the Holocaust/Shoah.  Why anyone would not want to teach others about ís beyond my comprehension.

[zibazinski]

There are people who feel they are Jewish simply because they were born Jewish. I don't attend church regularly but I still identify with being a Christian. I haven't found a church I'm comfortable with up here. DF attended when the old rabbi was in charge, doesn't care for the new one. Actually, neither do I. He seems to have foot in mouth disease. So he no longer goes to temple unless I want to. But he very much intends to never convert and be buried in a Jewish funeral ceremony. The strangest thing I have seen is that the Jewish people now welcome and embrace converts, something that was never done years ago. I guess because of the diminishing numbers and interfaith marriages.

[zibazinski]

Jul 30, 2014 17:40:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:25:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

taught what?  the Holocaust?

We can only benefit by teaching and reminding others of the Holocaust/Shoah.  Why anyone would not want to teach others about ís beyond my comprehension.

She also wouldn't teach sex Ed. I think she didnt believe in either one or didnt feel it belonged in curriculum. I taught a lot of things I didn't think belonged in curriculum. It was part of my job.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 30, 2014 17:29:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:03:23 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm sure like anything a lot depends on where you went to school, what state you live in, and

possibly your religion.

I really don't remember when it was taught in school, but yes I first learned about it in school.

Also visited Dachau as part of a high school trip FWIW.

(In case its important later, I grew up with my family[and me] pretty close to a Jewish family even though

I was Lutheran. There are a couple Jewish families in my non-denominational church I like to go to as well.)

Which actually raises something I've always been a bit fuzzy on.

Is being Jewish about a religion, or an ethnicity?   Cause if the Jewish families are not going to synagogue then they are not practising their religion, are they still Jewish?

Kinda like if a Baptist starts going to Catholic church and taking Catholic sacraments, are they still Baptist?

I've always wondered.

Baptist or Catholic, they are still Christians.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 30, 2014 17:48:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:40:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We can only benefit by teaching and reminding others of the Holocaust/Shoah.  Why anyone would not want to teach others about ís beyond my comprehension.

She also wouldn't teach sex Ed. I think she didnt believe in either one or didnt feel it belonged in curriculum. I taught a lot of things I didn't think belonged in curriculum. It was part of my job.

She sounds like a rather useless teacher.

[zibazinski]

She wasnt my favorite person. Fortunately the school I taught in and my kids went to had more good teachers than bad ones. I made sure my kids got the good ones.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 30, 2014 17:48:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:40:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

We can only benefit by teaching and reminding others of the Holocaust/Shoah.  Why anyone would not want to teach others about ís beyond my comprehension.

She also wouldn't teach sex Ed. I think she didnt believe in either one or didnt feel it belonged in curriculum. I taught a lot of things I didn't think belonged in curriculum. It was part of my job.

part of the job of any educator.  at least i thought.  huh.

[jkapp]

Jul 31, 2014 8:18:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

the holocaust was taught in school when I went, at least an overview of it, like most of the history that was taught in secondary school.

What was not mentioned- The subjugation of the American Indian, the Trail of Tears, Sherman's march through Georgia, interment of the Japanese Americans in WWII, the German American Bund in WWII, I could go on and on.  School history is usually taught from the political view of the state, more or less.  To that end the Rape of Nanking was not taught in Japanese schools either.

Yeah, i rememebr mostly American Revolution and Civil War stuff in my history classes (it always seemed like we just kept repeating the same stuff in each year's history class).  The Holocaust was mentioned, but not much in detail - it was maybe a paragraph or two in the book.  I didn't really learn much about it until I saw movies and documentaries on the History channel (back in the olden days when the History channel actually had history stuff on it, not a bunch of people trying to pawn their family heirlooms)

[zibazinski]

I suppose in the schools defense, someone is going to bitch and sue if certain truths of history are taught so they avoid it.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 8:39:22 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I suppose in the schools defense, someone is going to bitch and sue if certain truths of history are taught so they avoid it.

i say: sue away.  but then again, i think we should teach everything relevant.

[Deleted]

Jul 30, 2014 17:49:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:29:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Which actually raises something I've always been a bit fuzzy on.

Is being Jewish about a religion, or an ethnicity?   Cause if the Jewish families are not going to synagogue then they are not practising their religion, are they still Jewish?

Kinda like if a Baptist starts going to Catholic church and taking Catholic sacraments, are they still Baptist?

I've always wondered.

Baptist or Catholic, they are still Christians.

It's different. There is a huge element of ethnicity to Judaism that you don't see with Christians.

[ArchietheDragon]

Jul 31, 2014 13:32:30 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jul 30, 2014 17:49:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Baptist or Catholic, they are still Christians.

It's different. There is a huge element of ethnicity to Judaism that you don't see with Christians.

The big nose and curly hair?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 13:36:33 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Jul 31, 2014 13:32:30 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

It's different. There is a huge element of ethnicity to Judaism that you don't see with Christians.

The big nose and curly hair?

big curly nose hair.

[ArchietheDragon]

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 31, 2014 13:36:33 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

The big nose and curly hair?

big curly nose hair.

Damn it, I am Jewish and I didn't even know it. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:34 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

big curly nose hair.

Damn it, I am Jewish and I didn't even know it. 

do you braid yours?

[ArchietheDragon]

Jul 31, 2014 13:39:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:34 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Damn it, I am Jewish and I didn't even know it. 

do you braid yours?

I try to shave them with my mach 3, but the angle is tough and they often end up as short but stiff hairs that poke out the bottom of my nostril.

[Deleted]

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:34 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Jul 31, 2014 13:37:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

big curly nose hair.

Damn it, I am Jewish and I didn't even know it. 

You didn't think that was Christian nose hair did you?

[zibazinski]

  You guys are bad!!

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 13:56:18 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

  You guys are bad!!

archie brings out the worst in me.

[zibazinski]

He does have that gift. Poor DF, he has the nose and when he had hair, it was curly. No way am I checking out the nose hair situation. 

[Deleted]

Jul 31, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 31, 2014 8:39:22 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I suppose in the schools defense, someone is going to bitch and sue if certain truths of history are taught so they avoid it.

i say: sue away.  but then again, i think we should teach everything relevant.

While I agree with that idea in general... the problem then arises "what is relevant?". Relevant to you may be irrelevant to the next person, relevant to the person after that may be irrelevant to you.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 16:59:40 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jul 31, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i say: sue away.  but then again, i think we should teach everything relevant.

While I agree with that idea in general... the problem then arises "what is relevant?". Relevant to you may be irrelevant to the next person, relevant to the person after that may be irrelevant to you.

it was a carefully chosen word. 

[frankq]

PS- you are aware that Israel killed 1,400 Palestinians in 2008/2009 right?

i can't blame you if you don't know that. it was barely reported here. as usual.

The whole point of war is to kill more of them than they kill of yours and take away their ability to continue fighting. War isn't supposed to be even. Don't poke a stick in the cage over and over again and then complain that the big dog bit you. How many Iraqis did we kill in two wars compared to American fatalities? Does anyone really believe that these people in the Gaza didn't know that weapons were being stored and tunnels were being built under their homes? Nobody noticed all those rockets being shot off next to schools and hospitals? Looks like Palestinians may need to share some blame here. It's simple. Stop firing rockets and killing Israelis and the shooting will stop.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 31, 2014 19:15:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

PS- you are aware that Israel killed 1,400 Palestinians in 2008/2009 right?

i can't blame you if you don't know that. it was barely reported here. as usual.

The whole point of war is to kill more of them than they kill of yours and take away their ability to continue fighting. War isn't supposed to be even. Don't poke a stick in the cage over and over again and then complain that the big dog bit you. How many Iraqis did we kill in two wars compared to American fatalities? Does anyone really believe that these people in the Gaza didn't know that weapons were being stored and tunnels were being built under their homes? Nobody noticed all those rockets being shot off next to schools and hospitals? Looks like Palestinians may need to share some blame here. It's simple. Stop firing rockets and killing Israelis and the shooting will stop.

i disagree with your conclusion, frankq.  the shooting will never stop.

but i disagree with the premise, as well.  i am not going to bother arguing it tho.  i know where it gets me on a thread like this, and i am going on vacation in 18 hours, so fuck it.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jul 31, 2014 19:15:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

PS- you are aware that Israel killed 1,400 Palestinians in 2008/2009 right?

i can't blame you if you don't know that. it was barely reported here. as usual.

The whole point of war is to kill more of them than they kill of yours and take away their ability to continue fighting. War isn't supposed to be even. Don't poke a stick in the cage over and over again and then complain that the big dog bit you. How many Iraqis did we kill in two wars compared to American fatalities? Does anyone really believe that these people in the Gaza didn't know that weapons were being stored and tunnels were being built under their homes? Nobody noticed all those rockets being shot off next to schools and hospitals? Looks like Palestinians may need to share some blame here. It's simple. Stop firing rockets and killing Israelis and the shooting will stop.

Not only did they know about the tunnels, q... Militant group used child labor to construct underground network in Gaza

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2014 17:21:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2014 16:39:21 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

The fact that Jews know about the holocaust isn't surprising. I feel everyone should know. It wasn't just Jews that were murdered. Others were as well. For other reasons.

yes- that is correct.  liberals were the first to die.  then "the enfeebled".  then the Jews.  it is pretty much the same in every fascist/totalitarian uprising.  liberals are always first to die.  that is why i am so ornery. 

Don't be too ornery a liberal if you're ever down south. Those redneck bubba's know how to do a whole lot more with their guns than just hug them. My DW had a picture of Eeyore (Disney character,donkey) on her hat. A rancher at a picnic asked her if she was one of those D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t-s. She laughed and said no. Then she showed him her concealed carry gun. They both laughed and got along just fine for the rest of the night. That was kind of a right of passage in the area for my Yankee wife. It happened about two weeks before 9-11.

[frankq]

Aug 1, 2014 0:11:55 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jul 31, 2014 19:15:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

PS- you are aware that Israel killed 1,400 Palestinians in 2008/2009 right?

i can't blame you if you don't know that. it was barely reported here. as usual.

The whole point of war is to kill more of them than they kill of yours and take away their ability to continue fighting. War isn't supposed to be even. Don't poke a stick in the cage over and over again and then complain that the big dog bit you. How many Iraqis did we kill in two wars compared to American fatalities? Does anyone really believe that these people in the Gaza didn't know that weapons were being stored and tunnels were being built under their homes? Nobody noticed all those rockets being shot off next to schools and hospitals? Looks like Palestinians may need to share some blame here. It's simple. Stop firing rockets and killing Israelis and the shooting will stop.

Not only did they know about the tunnels, q... Militant group used child labor to construct underground network in Gaza

Yeah it's a pretty fucked up deal. I don't know what the answer is, but more and more I think the solution is going to include a huge amount of carnage to deal with all of these crazy fucks all over the world. This terror shit is reaching critical mass IMHO. We can't continue to live in a world where people are beheaded for belonging to the wrong faith, kidnapped and killed or sold into slavery for going to school, or spending part of just about every day running to bomb shelters when the rockets are flying. It's immoral and way too expensive and drains resources that could be used to help our citizens. Part of the problem in America is that while we absolutely have our own economic issues, we're way too comfortable as a population and really have no idea what the fuck we are talking about when it comes to terror. We got a taste with 9/11, but live it everyday like the Israelis and lets see how we feel. But then again, we can't even keep teenagers and women from invading our country by walking over the Southern border so what do know about tunnel ops in Gaza? A country is only as great and as strong as it's leadership......nuf said....

I will say one thing though, we have a great opportunity to maintain a long friendship with a long time ally, and that's Israel. We also have a great opportunity to make a couple of new and real friends with the Kurds as well as the Ukraine. Hopefully we'll still have this opportunity after we get lose the fools in the White House and Senate in the next couple of years.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think you're dead on the money, q. The shit is hitting the fan and there is almost a sense of denial about what is coming. War changes everything my friend. The reason that WW1 wasn't the war to end all wars was because it ended up being a one sided power structure. The Chinese are an amazing people and this time around the world will be walking on two strong legs, balance is the key to everything.

[imanangel]

Jul 31, 2014 8:18:56 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

the holocaust was taught in school when I went, at least an overview of it, like most of the history that was taught in secondary school.

What was not mentioned- The subjugation of the American Indian, the Trail of Tears, Sherman's march through Georgia, interment of the Japanese Americans in WWII, the German American Bund in WWII, I could go on and on.  School history is usually taught from the political view of the state, more or less.  To that end the Rape of Nanking was not taught in Japanese schools either.

I am shocked at what people were NOT taught in school.  Where did you all go to school at?  I went to school in Michigan and I was taught all of this stuff.  Was it an in depth analysis?  No.  I didn't learn the in depth stuff until college.  

As far as a teacher refusing to teach the curriculum, that is grounds for firing or to be removed from a classroom and placed in a different position.  Even tenured teachers can face disciplinary action for refusing to teach the curriculum. 

[Deleted]

A coworker was telling me she and BF watched a movie about the holocaust and he had never heard of it before this movie..

I don't know where he's from other than in the States somewhere and he's in his early 40's. I've met him , he seems educated. How is this even possible?