Man dies after police chokehold

[Shooby]

www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/18/NYC-man-dies-during-arrest-caught-on-video

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Where in your link is the actual story to match your thread title? The top story in that Breitbart ( ) link is about using empty Massachusetts shopping malls as housing.

[Shooby]

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5599252


Here is Huffpo.

That might work.

[Tennesseer]

Very unfortunate incident. Hopefully an independent investigation will be conducted.

[Deleted]

With so many bodies in the video, I couldn't understand how anyone could determine whether or not they were choking him.

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It also states in the link that it "appears" the man "may" have been placed into a choke hold.

There was really no way to see what exactly was going on in the amateur video.

It stated they were attempting to restrain him in order to be able to get the cuffs on him. Given his size (height 6'3" and weight approx 350lb), it would have taken more than one officer to do that. And very likely more than two, - especially if he was resisting or putting up a struggle.

[Shooby]

The officer was stripped of his badge and put on desk duty

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/nypd-daniel-pantaleo-chok_n_5602742.html

[zibazinski]

SOP

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Jul 20, 2014 6:36:12 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The officer was stripped of his badge and put on desk duty

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/nypd-daniel-pantaleo-chok_n_5602742.html

Jul 20, 2014 9:56:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

SOP

Exactly. In most government jobs some sort of "detached from normal" duty is assigned while a person is investigated anytime there's an investigation.

"Desk duty / stripped of badge" doesn't mean anything other than they are investigating it. If he's cleared, he gets put back on patrol and gets his badge back with no mark on his record.

[Shooby]

More commentary:

reason.com/blog/2014/07/20/eric-garners-arrest-and-death-about-more

[Shooby]

So, getting the death penalty for selling black market cigarettes seems reasonable?

[Shooby]

BTW, the use of the chokehold was banned by NYPD 20 yrs ago.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 9:55:36 GMT -5 Shooby said:

So, getting the death penalty for selling black market cigarettes seems reasonable?

Shooby-it was not the intent of the officer(s) involved to execute the man.  The intent was to subdue him.

[Shooby]

Go look at the video and photos. Clearly a chokehold was used.

[zibazinski]

If you don't want to be hurt then don't fight.

[Shooby]

I didn't see him fighting.

[Shooby]

I always find it curious how you always find the stance opposite of mine Tenn. If EVT would have posted this thread you would be crying police brutality. But, when you see me and Breitbart, I can always count on you reacting in that manner! LOL!

[zibazinski]

I'm wondering why he didnt? This is his usual thing.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 10:05:01 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I always find it curious how you always find the stance opposite of mine Tenn. If EVT would have posted this thread you would be crying police brutality. But, when you see me and Breitbart, I can always count on you reacting in that manner! LOL!

Zibazanski and I often disagree on issues.  Yet we agree it was not the intent of the officer to kill the man.

[Shooby]

I didn't say it was his "intent". I said he used an illegal chokehold to subdue him.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 10:05:01 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I always find it curious how you always find the stance opposite of mine Tenn. If EVT would have posted this thread you would be crying police brutality. But, when you see me and Breitbart, I can always count on you reacting in that manner! LOL!

As for your Breitbart comment, I believe it is often a source for.people who need to be told what to think.  As for this particular thread, I did not even bother to look at your opening post link its soure because, surprise, surprise, the event and video was already all over the news.

By the way, resisting arrest ìs fighting the police.

[Shooby]

I posted multiple link sources, including Huff Po.

[Shooby]

And, police are taught to handle resisting arrest, and that apparently does NOT include a chokehold.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 10:14:28 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I didn't say it was his "intent". I said he used an illegal chokehold to subdue him.

You did say death penalty.  Administering the death penalty is not accidental.

[Shooby]

But, it was administered nonetheless.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 10:17:10 GMT -5 Shooby said:

And, police are taught to handle resisting arrest, and that apparently does NOT include a chokehold.

See reply #3.

[Shooby]

So, if an illegal chokehold was performed, what do you prescribe?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2014 10:54:22 GMT -5 Shooby said:

So, if an illegal chokehold was performed, what do you prescribe?

Whatever the independent investigation prescribes.   Notice I did not say a police internal affairs investigation. 

[jkapp]

Jul 21, 2014 10:01:31 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I didn't see him fighting.

No, but he was arguing and resisting.  When the police tell you to put your hands behind your back, etc, it is best to comply.  If you feel it is a wrongful arrest, there will be plenty of time to press charges or sue afterwards.  the police don't tend to change their minds once they've committed to putting someone in handcuffs...why people insist on resisting is beyond me?

[jkapp]

Jul 21, 2014 10:14:28 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I didn't say it was his "intent". I said he used an illegal chokehold to subdue him.

Actually there is a common takedown move that employees pulling someone down by placing your hip behind the adversary and wrapping your arm around the person's collarbone (neck).  It can look very similar to a chokehold, but should end up with the person rolling over the hip and onto the ground.

However, with the size of this suspect compared to the arresting officer, and any sudden movements made after the takedown was applied, it may have inadvertently turned into a chokehold.  My guess is that will be the argument in defense of the arresting officer.  sicne the man was resisting arrest prior to the supposed "chokehold" then that argument may very well hold up.