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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 5, 2014 8:42:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't hire a lawyer in this situation, either, so not sure why everyone continues to push that point. Phoenix is doing the best, most productive things he can - lay low at work while following the rules and assignments given, handling new situations at work professionally and looking for a new job.
Good luck on the interviews, Phoenix. Sounds like things are starting to open up and hopefully this will be a great new start for you. Mostly I agree with this. But I also think it might not be a bad thing for Phoenix to have a conversation with a lawyer who specializes in employment in his area. Or one who's focus is on federal gov't employees. So that Phoenix is aware of the boundaries that the stupidvisor (my dad's term) may or may not be crossing/skirting in his situation. I know he's been talking with folks at HR/union/something but I'm not 100% convinced they are in Phoenix's corner.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 5, 2014 8:50:33 GMT -5
Of course they're not. HR protects the company not the employee. I always amazes me that people don't know that. But there are still people who think the real estate agent is their friend and is looking out for them. DUH, they want you to just buy the most expensive house you qualify for, that's how they get paid.
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 5, 2014 9:03:49 GMT -5
So, the saga continues.
First, all in the span of TWO days I got THREE job interviews scheduled, all for Thursday and Friday of this week. While this is fantastic news, it's definitely stressful, and creates the problem of "how am I going to get out of work to do a job interview." I guess I'll take sick leave on Thursday and take Friday off.
One of the jobs I'm not crazy about, because it would require significant travel. Being on the road 50% of the time or more sure wouldn't do my social life any favors. The others are okay, and good opportunities.
Congratulations on the job interviews. I would encourage you not to discount the job that requires travel. You appear to like being independent and autonomous and typically jobs that have heavy travel involved tend to result in being more autonomous in general. I second and third the suggestions to get a lawyer though. Perhaps there is nothing that you can do, but your supervisor appears to be going to great lengths to get rid of you, to the point where she may be doing things that are crossing the line.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Aug 5, 2014 9:31:02 GMT -5
I was thinking this last night, but I couldn't figure out how to articulate it.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 5, 2014 10:22:36 GMT -5
I am not trying to be negative, but they ARE going to fire you. I don't think you should have consented to this "background" stuff until you talked to a lawyer if you are actually going to fight for your job. I agree. Start pinching your pennies. Good luck with your interviews.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 5, 2014 11:51:09 GMT -5
[/p] On another note, for some reason, they're doing a background investigation on me. I guess my boss ordered it? I'm not sure. In any case, I had an interview with an investigator today. The background investigation is for a public trust clearance, presumably if I fail it, they would fire me for not being able to meet a background investigation. Though it's weird they're doing one now, after I've been employed in the job for three years.
Anyway, I decided to withhold my firing from the Air Force because it was overturned, but they found out about it and asked me pretty detailed questions on it. When asked about why I withheld it, I said I did that because it was legally overturned in a court of law, so basically it didn't happen. They also questioned me a lot about the recent troubles I've had with my supervisor, wanting to know my side of things. My boss had talked to her before me, and was in there for over an hour, apparently giving all the dirty details about all of my perceived wrongdoings. The good news, at least, is that the investigator said my boss isn't aware of the firing they found out about, and will not share that information with her.
I guess I'm worried about the following:
1. Will them finding out about the old termination that was overturned affect my the outcome of my investigation? What about the recent troubles with my supervisor? Presumably if I fail the investigation, they could fire me. 2. My boss certainly isn't bashful about telling others exactly what she thinks of me and the job I'm doing. That doesn't bode well for any potential employers that contact her. 3. If this background investigation could find out about my past firing that was overturned, won't future employers who do background investigations find out about it? Is this going to be a millstone I have to carry around my neck for the rest of my life? Even if I can get another job, who's to say they won't find out about it and fire me on the spot? What ever happened to second chances?
I wouldn't think that having a termination that was overturned would negatively affect my investigation, but I'm not very familiar with the process. [/quote] This. THIS is what is likely behind it all. Your boss caught wind of the troubles with your previous employer and assumed you withheld the information so that you. Oils get your current job. She may or may not know that your termination was overturned. She took you off your job duties to cover your current employer's liability while she collects the evidence to fire you. You need to send a copy of the court decision to the person who interviewed you for the public clearance. Immediately. Answer the questions people have about that whole matter. Yes, theoretically you shouldn't have to. But, since people know, you need to address it head on. That sucks, I know. I totally understand that you want to forget about it and move on. But, unfortunately, that isn't always possible in life.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 5, 2014 12:48:29 GMT -5
If he's going to go as far as sending the court order, then I think that he should just get a lawyer to make sure all his bases are covered. If he's going to fight, he'll probably lose if he half-asses it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 12:51:21 GMT -5
" Being on the road 50% of the time or more sure wouldn't do my social life any favors. "
What social life? I thought you had none! So do not discount a possible way out on a non-existent social life.
I agree with others on maybe it is time to think about quit vs get fired. If she didn't have a good case, she would not be going all out. She probably has talked to HR and knows what she is doing will get you terminated with a higher certainty. So there seems to be a real reason why she is doing all this.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 12:55:54 GMT -5
I agree with others on maybe it is time to think about quit vs get fired This isn't going to look good if you stick around. Sometimes being right isn't worth it. As you're finding out now with the previous job. Hopefully that will never crop up again, but now that you know it can you shouldn't let yourself be led into it happening a second time with your current job. You won't get many bites if a background check shows you've been "fired" twice.
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Post by milee on Aug 5, 2014 13:01:52 GMT -5
OK, but let's think back to exactly what happened the last time so exactly what details the current employer will presumably find out. The records and interviews will show that at the last job Phoenix was (very similar to the story that Drama's recruiter worked out with her to tell) hired into a job that was beyond his ability level. He tried his best but was not able to perform the job nor was the employer able/willing to provide enough support to get him up to the required performance level. So the employer terminated him within what the employer thought was the probationary period. Due to a technicality (Phoenix had come from another federal job so the probationary period was different), the termination was overturned as Phoenix was not still in the probationary period and that was what paperwork had been submitted to accompany the firing. But the reviews will show - and Phoenix freely admitted - he was not able to perform that job and the firing was only legally vacated because of that technicality.
Now you have a situation where the current employer is concerned that protocol wasn't followed on a safety issue. Phoenix feels that this was not a big deal or that this is being blown out of proportion, but the manager apparently feels otherwise. Again, indicating a performance issue.
So if the current employer discovers more details about the prior job - which will show a performance issue even though the firing was reversed due to a process technicality - that is hardly likely to help support Phoenix' case that he's competent and following protocol. Phoenix is doing the right thing by not bringing the prior job into it if he can possibly avoid it. That prior termination may have been overturned but finding out why it was overturned and the situation surrounding it are not going to be helpful to Phoenix's case.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 5, 2014 13:05:08 GMT -5
I agree that quitting may be the best alternative at this point. Do you have a large "kiss my ass fund?" If so then you could probably work temp jobs to help generate some income until you find something else. You then just need to have a good reason for leaving your present job which is better than being fired twice.
Oh, and I am guessing you have copies of all your prior reviews (ones under the old supervisor that are good). If not then make sure HR gives you a copy of those and take them with you on job interviews.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 13:08:52 GMT -5
Totally agree with everything Milee just said.
The problem is it was a technicality that kept him from getting actually fired the last time. He still had valid "performance issues" that were documented and apparently that document still exists.
IMO he should quit now on this job while he's ahead. Strike a deal with the supervisor that he'll leave quietly in exchange for all this being dropped and nothing going into his records.
Otherwise there will be yet another situation where "technically" his supervisor was wrong but she still had valid performance issues that are documented and in his file.
Most prospective employers are going to see that got off on a technicality, they aren't going to want to deal with someone who keeps being brought up for termination but then makes a stink to keep his job.
Not saying that's what you do Phoenix, but as I said and the recruiter said to me sometimes being right in these kind of situations isn't worth it. You need to protect your future employment prospects not your pride.
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Post by milee on Aug 5, 2014 13:11:52 GMT -5
Because its harassment and wrongful termination. For some reason they are looking to get rid of him. Whether he deserves it or not. Maybe he does, I don't know, but if he doesn't, then this is wrong. Maybe, maybe not.
I care about Phoenix as a fellow poster and want good things to work out for him. But if we step back and look at both sides, from a manager and employer standpoint, this sounds like a really tough situation as well. I wouldn't want to be in this manager's shoes. She has an employee that has ignored some seemingly simple requests she's made, appears to have ignored a safety protocol because his gut told him there was no real issue and clearly doesn't respect her. So she did some investigating and found out he was unable to perform his prior job, was fired and reinstated based on a technicality. He's a federal employee, so almost impossible to fire. Oh, and to make it all worse - he's in charge of radiation safety. So if there's a problem or it turns out he's truly not competent, the fallout (pun intended) can hurt or kill people. As a manager or employer, she's probably having nightmares about seeing all this on the nightly news in the future. ...Reporter wearing gas mask standing in front of a smoking hole in the ground... "And lazy government supervisors failed to terminate an employee that they knew wouldn't follow safety rules and had been fired for incompetence at other positions. Not only did they ignore these warning signs - they put him in charge of radiation safety! Stay tuned for the 6 o'clock news for more on this evolving scandal."
She may be a total bitch that just decided to persecute him on a whim or she may actually have some reason for doing some of this. Tough to know. But from what Phoenix is describing, it's time for him to start fresh somewhere else. And he has the chance to do that - so this is good for everybody involved.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 5, 2014 13:12:57 GMT -5
So, the saga continues.
First, all in the span of TWO days I got THREE job interviews scheduled, all for Thursday and Friday of this week. While this is fantastic news, it's definitely stressful, and creates the problem of "how am I going to get out of work to do a job interview." I guess I'll take sick leave on Thursday and take Friday off.
One of the jobs I'm not crazy about, because it would require significant travel. Being on the road 50% of the time or more sure wouldn't do my social life any favors. The others are okay, and good opportunities.
Congratulations on the job interviews. I would encourage you not to discount the job that requires travel. You appear to like being independent and autonomous and typically jobs that have heavy travel involved tend to result in being more autonomous in general.I second and third the suggestions to get a lawyer though. Perhaps there is nothing that you can do, but your supervisor appears to be going to great lengths to get rid of you, to the point where she may be doing things that are crossing the line. I agree with Emma - maybe a traveling job would be a beneficial change of pace. Think of all the potential people you could meet! Plus, you're not bound to an office / cubicle and you should have a bit more independence. It may work better with your personality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:15:51 GMT -5
Because its harassment and wrongful termination. For some reason they are looking to get rid of him. Whether he deserves it or not. Maybe he does, I don't know, but if he doesn't, then this is wrong. Maybe, maybe not.
I care about Phoenix as a fellow poster and want good things to work out for him. But if we step back and look at both sides, from a manager and employer standpoint, this sounds like a really tough situation as well. I wouldn't want to be in this manager's shoes. She has an employee that has ignored some seemingly simple requests she's made, appears to have ignored a safety protocol because his gut told him there was no real issue and clearly doesn't respect her. So she did some investigating and found out he was unable to perform his prior job, was fired and reinstated based on a technicality. He's a federal employee, so almost impossible to fire. Oh, and to make it all worse - he's in charge of radiation safety. So if there's a problem or it turns out he's truly not competent, the fallout (pun intended) can hurt or kill people. As a manager or employer, she's probably having nightmares about seeing all this on the nightly news in the future. ...Reporter wearing gas mask standing in front of a smoking hole in the ground... "And lazy government supervisors failed to terminate an employee that they knew wouldn't follow safety rules and had been fired for incompetence at other positions. Not only did they ignore these warning signs - they put him in charge of radiation safety! Stay tuned for the 6 o'clock news for more on this evolving scandal."
She may be a total bitch that just decided to persecute him on a whim or she may actually have some reason for doing some of this. Tough to know. But from what Phoenix is describing, it's time for him to start fresh somewhere else. And he has the chance to do that - so this is good for everybody involved.
except everything was going along just find under his previous supervisor, with acceptable performance reviews. it wasn't until the new supervisor, who doesn't sound like she knows what is involved in radiation safety, that there was a problem.
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Post by milee on Aug 5, 2014 13:21:27 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not.
I care about Phoenix as a fellow poster and want good things to work out for him. But if we step back and look at both sides, from a manager and employer standpoint, this sounds like a really tough situation as well. I wouldn't want to be in this manager's shoes. She has an employee that has ignored some seemingly simple requests she's made, appears to have ignored a safety protocol because his gut told him there was no real issue and clearly doesn't respect her. So she did some investigating and found out he was unable to perform his prior job, was fired and reinstated based on a technicality. He's a federal employee, so almost impossible to fire. Oh, and to make it all worse - he's in charge of radiation safety. So if there's a problem or it turns out he's truly not competent, the fallout (pun intended) can hurt or kill people. As a manager or employer, she's probably having nightmares about seeing all this on the nightly news in the future. ...Reporter wearing gas mask standing in front of a smoking hole in the ground... "And lazy government supervisors failed to terminate an employee that they knew wouldn't follow safety rules and had been fired for incompetence at other positions. Not only did they ignore these warning signs - they put him in charge of radiation safety! Stay tuned for the 6 o'clock news for more on this evolving scandal."
She may be a total bitch that just decided to persecute him on a whim or she may actually have some reason for doing some of this. Tough to know. But from what Phoenix is describing, it's time for him to start fresh somewhere else. And he has the chance to do that - so this is good for everybody involved.
except everything was going along just find under his previous supervisor, with acceptable performance reviews. it wasn't until the new supervisor, who doesn't sound like she knows what is involved in radiation safety, that there was a problem. Maybe the prior supervisor was one of those who happily ignored things or maybe the latest safety issue that Phoenix talks about happened under the new manager's watch so that's what brought his performance to her attention.
Doesn't really matter, though. The facts are still the same - the supervisor is aware of a recent safety issue, the supervisor now (probably) knows Phoenix was not able to perform his prior job duties, Phoenix' reactions to the talks with the supervisor haven't given her the warm fuzzies that he's competent, willing or able to do his job. This is unlikely to end well for Phoenix even if the current brouhaha settles down; he is always going to be under the microscope at this job with a boss that doesn't like or trust him. Time to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:21:59 GMT -5
"Most prospective employers are going to see that got off on a technicality, they aren't going to want to deal with someone who keeps being brought up for termination but then makes a stink to keep his job. Not saying that's what you do Phoenix, but as I said and the recruiter said to me sometimes being right in these kind of situations isn't worth it. "
But that is exactly what he is doing. I say that because his first thought is to challenge the decision everytime the supervisor has an issue. First with performance and not following her requests, now this.
"except everything was going along just find under his previous supervisor, with acceptable performance reviews. it wasn't until the new supervisor, who doesn't sound like she knows what is involved in radiation safety, that there was a problem. "
The previous supervisor left Phoenix alone so there is no way for her to know if Phoenix was in fact following the rules. This one is paying attention and guess what? she found something. If it was a made up reason, I highly doubt HR would let it get this far.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 13:23:38 GMT -5
I had great reviews from my former supervisor. Wouldn't have mattered if my new one had actually terminated me because of what she would have put into my file. Everything she said was valid. I decided to save my bacon and leave quietly.
I've been with my current supervisor for 5 years now so two good bosses over the course of 8 years cancels out one bad boss I had for six months.
Phoenix already has a record from his previous supervisor that apparently was never expunged and can be easily found. Now he's going to have another one from this supervisor.
She's got grounds to terminate him even if she's going about it in the most dramatic fashion possible. According to the manual he was supposed to do X and he took it upon himself to decide that wasn't needed.
It's the book vs his actions, she doesn't need to know radiation safety to figure that out and that's usually enough to provide grounds for termination. If I violate a safety protocol and get caught that's all there is too it. I won't be able to get off by pointing fingers at the tattle tale and saying "Well I did it because I know better, she just doesn't understand what my job entails." The manual is the gold standard and if it says I was supposed to do X I better darn well have done X.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 5, 2014 13:32:53 GMT -5
There are times when a supervisor decides he/she just doesn't like someone and the main focus becomes finding a reason (any reason) to dismiss that person. As milee said that may or may not be happening here but IMHO hiring a lawyer is not really going to help matters. Would you want to hire someone who was terminated twice and ended up fighting it twice? I wouldn't... I am not saying phoenix is wrong by any means but hiring an attorney is not always the best solution. Not everything is a lawsuit. His supervisor has been building a case from day one. It's not like she has nothing. It may not all be valid but she has documented everything very well. Some things are just not worth the fight. Personally, I would just want out of there. Maybe that makes me a wuss or something but fighting to keep a job where you will more than likely continue to work under the person who hates you is not something I would want (I don't believe she is going anywhere).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:33:11 GMT -5
I had great reviews from my former supervisor. Wouldn't have mattered if my new one had actually terminated me because of what she would have put into my file. Everything she said was valid. I decided to save my bacon and leave quietly. I've been with my current supervisor for 5 years now so two good bosses over the course of 8 years cancels out one bad boss I had for six months. Phoenix already has a record from his previous supervisor that apparently was never expunged and can be easily found. Now he's going to have another one from this supervisor. She's got grounds to terminate him even if she's going about it in the most dramatic fashion possible. According to the manual he was supposed to do X and he took it upon himself to decide that wasn't needed. It's the book vs his actions, she doesn't need to know radiation safety to figure that out and that's usually enough to provide grounds for termination. If I violate a safety protocol and get caught that's all there is too it. I won't be able to get off by pointing fingers at the tattle tale and saying "Well I did it because I know better, she just doesn't understand what my job entails." The manual is the gold standard and if it says I was supposed to do X I better darn well have done X. except she has no documented proof that he violated safety protocols. If she did, she wouldn't need to be doing all this other crap, he would have been terminated for cause already. since she couldn't get him with that, she's now trying to find some other reason to get him terminated. also everyone keeps forgetting, this is a civil servant job - terminating someone is pretty damn difficult. I've worked as a government contractor for 26 years and I only know of one federal employee that was fired (and that happened within his 90 day probation period when you don't need a well documented reason).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 13:34:39 GMT -5
But that is exactly what he is doing. I say that because his first thought is to challenge the decision everytime the supervisor has an issue. First with performance and not following her requests, now this.
I agree with you but I don't think Phoenix thinks of it that way.
I could have gotten my former supervisor on A LOT of technicalities and according to the employee handbook I had every right to do so if I chose. I probably would have won.
But after discussion I decided it was far more important to salvage my future employability than to be right.
Phoenix isn't doing anything wrong by having challenged his former supervisor or this one, I just don't think he's aware of how much long term damage he's doing in the eyes of future prospective employers.
Sometimes you need to tuck your tail in-between your legs and run.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2014 13:52:05 GMT -5
Of course they're not. HR protects the company not the employee. I always amazes me that people don't know that. But there are still people who think the real estate agent is their friend and is looking out for them. DUH, they want you to just buy the most expensive house you qualify for, that's how they get paid. While it is true the role of HR is to protect the company, it is also true a good HR rep does their damnedest to protect the employee when they believe the employee had been treated unfairly. The HR rep does it not because they are trying to protect the company but because it is the right thing to do for the employee. As an HR rep, I was able to get several employees reinstated because management didn't do their job, or conducted a piss poor investigations, or simply treated an employee unfairly. I pissed off quite a few managers and members of executive management. But I was right. I suppose in the end by getting several employees reinstated because I didn't trust the investigation conducted by management, I was simply protecting the company from external litigation. But when other employees see someone rightly reinstated through the assistance of an HR rep, trust builds that HR just might listen to their concerns and help when needed. Not all company HR divisions are full of bad apples. There are some good ones out there too. I worked for one of them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 13:52:17 GMT -5
since she couldn't get him with that, she's now trying to find some other reason to get him terminated. also everyone keeps forgetting, this is a civil servant job - terminating someone is pretty damn difficult
Well she seems perfectly happy to keep throwing things at the wall till she finds something that sticks. The fact that she's gone so far as to dig up his previous job with a background investigation should send the clear message this job is over.
Even if he won unless somehow this results in her getting fired (and I doubt it will) he'll have to forever look over his shoulder because she is going to be watching him like a hawk and the day he "screws up" she's going to pounce, document and terminate.
Nobody is 100% perfect, Phoenix will eventually do something that "violates" some protocol written in a book somewhere. Everybody does because it's almost impossible to do your job and follow every single tiny rule from every single regulation office you need to comply with then she'll have him.
And now he'll have the new disciplinary notice along with all this current crap AND the previous employer's documentation in his records. He may have the satisfaction of being right but he's never going to hold a job in radiation safety again.
He really needs to weigh how far he's willing to play along and possibly fight this with her.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 5, 2014 13:57:29 GMT -5
He knows this. He's trying to hang on long enough to get a new job.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:02:14 GMT -5
He's trying to hang on long enough to get a new job
I don't know how much of a position he's in to do this, but personally I'd quit now and look for another job while unemployed after this whole background check fiasco. Better to leave on your own terms than pray the poop doesn't hit the fan before you get another job.
At least that's what I was told. Quitting doesn't look good but you can spin it. Firing is a lot harder to put a spin on.
I also had DH's income to depend on when I did it and I got the lab to agree to severance for a couple months in exchange for me going away like they wanted me to. I understand it might be harder for Phoenix to do that considering he only has his income.
MAYBE Phoenix could negotiate some severance in exchange for leaving quietly right now. It's worth considering. If she wants him gone as badly as she seems to she might be willing to strike a deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:05:18 GMT -5
He's trying to hang on long enough to get a new jobI don't know how much of a position he's in to do this, but personally I'd quit now and look for another job while unemployed after this whole background check fiasco. Better to leave on your own terms than pray the poop doesn't hit the fan before you get another job. At least that's what I was told. Quitting doesn't look good but you can spin it. Firing is a lot harder to put a spin on. I also had DH's income to depend on when I did it and I got the lab to agree to severance for a couple months in exchange for me going away like they wanted me to. I understand it might be harder for Phoenix to do that considering he only has his income. MAYBE Phoenix could strike a similar deal in exchange for leaving quietly right now. It's worth considering. if he's hoping to go to another government job, then he needs to hang on. I think getting rehired into a civil servant position is very difficult. also don't believe civil servant positions come with severance.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:06:54 GMT -5
if he's hoping to go to another government job, then he needs to hang on
Problem is he's mentioned it's a tiny pond he's swimming in. Radiation safety is a pretty narrow field from what it sounds like. If she gets him terminated before he can find another job he's just as screwed out of another government job because word is going to travel.
It's a huge risk either way.
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emma1420
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Post by emma1420 on Aug 5, 2014 14:07:33 GMT -5
But that is exactly what he is doing. I say that because his first thought is to challenge the decision everytime the supervisor has an issue. First with performance and not following her requests, now this. I agree with you but I don't think Phoenix thinks of it that way. I could have gotten my former supervisor on A LOT of technicalities and according to the employee handbook I had every right to do so if I chose. I probably would have won. But after discussion I decided it was far more important to salvage my future employability than to be right. Phoenix isn't doing anything wrong by having challenged his former supervisor or this one, I just don't think he's aware of how much long term damage he's doing in the eyes of future prospective employers. Sometimes you need to tuck your tail in-between your legs and run. I think this is key. No matter who is at fault, employers don't want problem employees. They don't want to discipline or fire employees if they have a good alternative. It's better for everyone if the employee is successful. Part of being a good employee is the ability to get along with your supervisor and co-workers. I am wondering if any of Phoenix's colleagues are speaking up for him? Are they saying he did the right thing? Because right now to an outsider, Phoenix could look like a problem employee, and if he has well respected colleagues as references and on his side, that could help minimize that perception by an outsider.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 5, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
if he's hoping to go to another government job, then he needs to hang onProblem is he's mentioned it's a tiny pond he's swimming in. If she gets him terminated before he can find another job he's just as screwed out of another government job because word is going to travel. It's a huge risk either way. He can always get a job breaking down boxes and taking out garbage. He has experience now.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 14:08:59 GMT -5
While it is true the role of HR is to protect the company, it is also true a good HR rep does their damnedest to protect the employee when they believe the employee had been treated unfairly. The HR rep does it not because they are trying to protect the company but because it is the right thing to do for the employee. As an HR rep, I was able to get several employees reinstated because management didn't do their job, or conducted a piss poor investigations, or simply treated an employee unfairly. I pissed off quite a few managers and members of executive management. But I was right.
Tenn....this is not the norm.
I tried to go through HR when I found out that my boss publishing manufactured data. I was flat out told that I would lose this battle if I tried to fight it and the the best thing that I could do is cut my losses and find a new job and get the hell out of there. HR had absolutely NO urge to do battle against this faculty member. They told me so, and when I considered the disparity of power, I took my toys and went elsewhere too. I hated the idea that I left without being a whistle blower in this situation (this was before those laws were enacted) but if anyone was going to get hurt, it was going to be me.
A lot of what Drama said is correct. You need to spin it in order to enhance yourself but not throw mud at them. It's not the easiest job, but this is sounding like it is a battle that is going to harm Phoenix more in the long run if he fights it.
I really hope he can get one of the 2 jobs he has interviews for this week, because this is really his best way out of this situation.
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