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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 18:09:40 GMT -5
Mich, if I had posted about that issue back then I would have found your post SO reassuring! I think you have a HUGE amount of self-control, and a non-addictive personality, as does my DH.
That heroin / Sopranos weekend nearly undid me. But it was 3.5 years ago, and when I think about it now, in the light of everything that has followed, it makes me ashamed / want to laugh. I know you (and TD I'm sure) will understand that.
Hugs to you!!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 16, 2014 18:38:56 GMT -5
Mich, if I had posted about that issue back then I would have found your post SO reassuring! I think you have a HUGE amount of self-control, and a non-addictive personality, as does my DH. That heroin / Sopranos weekend nearly undid me. But it was 3.5 years ago, and when I think about it now, in the light of everything that has followed, it makes me ashamed / want to laugh. I know you (and TD I'm sure) will understand that. Hugs to you!!! When I was first released from rehab, I was taking over 200 mg/day of oxy. TD went to the pharmacy to pick up my meds (the rehab center had given me a dose for the road) and he was seriously afraid of getting rolled for the drugs, because he was picking up enough to give an addict a wet dream. As my doctors were in Seattle and I was only seeing them every 3-4 weeks, I was getting a month supply at a time since they could not call in a prescription for me. I hated taking that much because I find while I can think as clearly as ever, I have the concentration span of a gnat....which drives me nuts. It makes anything that you would do in a sedentary position, like reading, watching a movie, knitting 1000x more difficult than it should be. So as soon as I could, I started backing off that amount, but even then I was still taking a lot. I had never taken these sorts of quantities after any of my other surgeries and I was terrified of becoming addicted. I shouldn't have worried, as it was as easy for me to the drugs after my last surgery as it was my first surgery.
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Post by Bonny on Jul 16, 2014 18:45:51 GMT -5
@debthaven2
I don't think it was the heroin, I think it was the Sopranos!
DH and I were immediately hooked and watched the series over a week or two.
I heard a lot of people "binge-watched" (new to me term) House of Cards' latest season.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 16, 2014 19:34:23 GMT -5
@debthaven2
I don't think it was the heroin, I think it was the Sopranos!
DH and I were immediately hooked and watched the series over a week or two.
I heard a lot of people "binge-watched" (new to me term) House of Cards' latest season. I did the same thing with scandal...I was in brazil myself and it poured all weekend...watched all seasons that Netflix had...now I'm addicted to the show
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 16, 2014 20:33:50 GMT -5
My DH has a heroin derivative in the house from after his accident (and his subsequent surgeries, he's had 11 ops in the past nearly 4 years). There was one terrible weekend about a month after he first got out of the hospital after his accident. He was very tired and he decided to "take the weekend off". He took the heroin derivative and spent 3 entire days in bed watching the Sopranos. To say I was absolutely besides myself would be a huge understatement. Then on Monday morning he got up (very early) and announced he had really needed the rest / sleep, and now it was over, he was feeling much better. He put the rest of the meds in the safe. He will take them VERY occasionally when he is very overtired and / or in pain (he occasionally still has phantom limb pain) and feels he needs a long night's sleep to recuperate. The first year it was about 6 times a year, now it's 2 or 3 times a year, just one pill. So he does NOT abuse those meds. But frankly it still freaks me out to even have them in the house. But given what he's been through, I won't get rid of them. I have periods where I waaay overdo and my normal pain level shoots through the roof. I have both oxycontin and oxycodone to deal with this. I hate taking them, but they do allow me to sleep without pain and I normally will wake up without pain and function normally (or as normally as I function now). The last time I took drugs was Thanksgiving, I knew I was past my limit and pushed through the pain. I was ok, until I sat down to eat and then I couldn't get up. TD had to physically help me up from the table to a more comfortable chair. I joke about selling my stash to go to Tahiti, but won't. For the very few times each year where I need them, they are too damn important. My dream is to wake up pain free. I try to avoid them at work but on the bad days I can't concentrate on anything but the pain. It takes enough of the edge off to let me function. It does let me sleep though usually. My body missed the memo that 2014 was supposed to be the year I was healthy!
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 17, 2014 8:33:49 GMT -5
I have periods where I waaay overdo and my normal pain level shoots through the roof. I have both oxycontin and oxycodone to deal with this. I hate taking them, but they do allow me to sleep without pain and I normally will wake up without pain and function normally (or as normally as I function now). The last time I took drugs was Thanksgiving, I knew I was past my limit and pushed through the pain. I was ok, until I sat down to eat and then I couldn't get up. TD had to physically help me up from the table to a more comfortable chair. I joke about selling my stash to go to Tahiti, but won't. For the very few times each year where I need them, they are too damn important. My dream is to wake up pain free. I try to avoid them at work but on the bad days I can't concentrate on anything but the pain. It takes enough of the edge off to let me function. It does let me sleep though usually. My body missed the memo that 2014 was supposed to be the year I was healthy! Mine too. Unfortunately for me, there's not a painkiller that stops the daily headache.
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Post by justme on Jul 17, 2014 8:36:51 GMT -5
Tylenol with codeine is very mild. You can actually get it OTC in Canada - or at least Ontario. You need a prescrip. for Tylenol w/Codeine or Tylenol 3 in Alberta.. Interesting that it's not the same across the country. Guess those Ontarians are a little free wheeling.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 17, 2014 8:44:48 GMT -5
My dream is to wake up pain free. I try to avoid them at work but on the bad days I can't concentrate on anything but the pain. It takes enough of the edge off to let me function. It does let me sleep though usually. My body missed the memo that 2014 was supposed to be the year I was healthy! Mine too. Unfortunately for me, there's not a painkiller that stops the daily headache.
I hope you can find a solution soon. I can't imagine living like that and not knowing what causes it. At least I know I'm all messed up from the car wreck.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 17, 2014 8:47:20 GMT -5
As for temptation, sorry but your dh needs to own his willpower. I wouldn't spend my life locking stuff up because my husband couldn't be trusted.
FWIW DH and I agree with you. He doesn't agree with me refusing them or having to lock them up, but if that is what it takes to give me peace of mind he's happy to cooperate.
Part of why we worked out is I am able to discuss every tiny fear/concern I have with DH. He understands and accepts that I have these thoughts because he's the one that created them. He's willing to do whatever is needed to make ME feel comfortable.
I was trying to point out to Minnesota that her worries about her ex breaking down again are normal. Mental illness is not something that is going to go *poof* because he took some meds and went to a therapy session. This is something she's going to have to deal with "forever" if he's going to be involved in his son's life.
The fact that the ex won't discuss it and instead is trying to make Minnesota out to be a bad person because she "keeps him from his son" shows just how far he has to go before he can ever potentially be trusted with unsupervised visitation.
And even IF it's ever granted to him she'll still need to lay down the law and have a plan in place should he backslide.
You're not a bad person or stigmatizing the person's issues when you accept reality. You're also not a bad person to make sure you have a back-up plan in place. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me as the saying goes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 9:01:21 GMT -5
As for temptation, sorry but your dh needs to own his willpower. I wouldn't spend my life locking stuff up because my husband couldn't be trusted. FWIW DH and I agree with you. He doesn't agree with me refusing them or having to lock them up, but if that is what it takes to give me peace of mind he's happy to cooperate. Part of why we worked out is I am able to discuss every tiny fear/concern I have with DH. He understands and accepts that I have these thoughts because he's the one that created them. He's willing to do whatever is needed to make ME feel comfortable. I was trying to point out to Minnesota that her worries about her ex breaking down again are normal. Mental illness is not something that is going to go *poof* because he took some meds and went to a therapy session. This is something she's going to have to deal with "forever" if he's going to be involved in his son's life. The fact that the ex won't discuss it and instead is trying to make Minnesota out to be a bad person because she "keeps him from his son" shows just how far he has to go before he can ever potentially be trusted with unsupervised visitation.And even IF it's ever granted to him she'll still need to lay down the law and have a plan in place should he backslide. You're not a bad person or stigmatizing the person's issues when you accept reality. You're also not a bad person to make sure you have a back-up plan in place. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me as the saying goes. He won't discuss what? His mental health stuff. He's very open about that, he's not trying to make me out to be a bad person either. The first few weeks out of the halfway house were a little sketchy, but he was "free" after many months of no contact with his son at all. He's settled down a lot that past few months. We started the Wednesday/Saturday schedule this week and last night before we left he was telling our son how happy he was that he had so many people that took such good care of him, and how comforting it was for him that he had such a good mom, and daycare and teachers. There have been no "I hate you comments" since back in March or April. Yeah, I know. That's not long, but it's something.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 17, 2014 9:06:22 GMT -5
It's a start, just make sure he keeps it up. I agree with Mich that a year or so is a good timeframe before you ponder changing anything and I'd personally wait longer than that before I actually did, but your timeline is going to be whatever works best for you and makes you feel comfortable.
It was about nine months before I firmly told DH we were staying married. I'd made the decision to try to make it work but I wasn't going to let him off the hook till *I* was comfortable that he was going to keep his word.
I can't be 100% sure he will "till death do us part" but he jumped thru the hoops I wanted him to and is still willing to jump thru pretty much any hoops he needs to in order to keep me feeling secure. So I'm at peace with my decision to stay married.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 17, 2014 9:16:49 GMT -5
Mine too. Unfortunately for me, there's not a painkiller that stops the daily headache.
I hope you can find a solution soon. I can't imagine living like that and not knowing what causes it. At least I know I'm all messed up from the car wreck. I found someone willing to take my case. Although its kind of like being in an episode of House everytime I go to his office. Except he's nicer and his associate neurologist is the grumpy one (I like her as well)
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 17, 2014 9:24:39 GMT -5
I hope you can find a solution soon. I can't imagine living like that and not knowing what causes it. At least I know I'm all messed up from the car wreck. I found someone willing to take my case. Although its kind of like being in an episode of House everytime I go to his office. Except he's nicer and his associate neurologist is the grumpy one (I like her as well) Glad you finally found a new doctor. I remember the frustrated posts when you were trying to find someone. Medical issues suck!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:07:30 GMT -5
I found someone willing to take my case. Although its kind of like being in an episode of House everytime I go to his office. Except he's nicer and his associate neurologist is the grumpy one (I like her as well) Glad you finally found a new doctor. I remember the frustrated posts when you were trying to find someone. Medical issues suck! I've been suffering from migraines a lot the last few years. And about 2 years ago they were really bad. I'd get ones where I just wished I could die. Puking for hours during the peak with prolonged 10-12 day long headaches. I finally went in and got a prescription for them and thankfully the first thing they did works well for me. It is really hard to function with a headache.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 17, 2014 15:38:46 GMT -5
Glad you finally found a new doctor. I remember the frustrated posts when you were trying to find someone. Medical issues suck! I've been suffering from migraines a lot the last few years. And about 2 years ago they were really bad. I'd get ones where I just wished I could die. Puking for hours during the peak with prolonged 10-12 day long headaches. I finally went in and got a prescription for them and thankfully the first thing they did works well for me. It is really hard to function with a headache. I'm sorry you had to deal with them. I don't wish it on anyone. But if you want to talk migraine shop, you know where to find me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:13:41 GMT -5
I hope that you all find solutions so that you all feel better soon.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 18, 2014 7:39:55 GMT -5
I hope that you all find solutions so that you all feel better soon.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 8:06:53 GMT -5
Thanks debt.
I got the referral to the pain specialist. I called and the new patient coordinator might be in this afternoon. Not even knowing where your staff is does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling for someone I'm supposed to trust to inject stuff between my neck vertebrae.
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Post by Pants on Jul 18, 2014 8:41:44 GMT -5
Who's injecting what into your neck now?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 8:54:49 GMT -5
Who's injecting what into your neck now? Cervical facet injection basically an epidural but up in my neck. I got whiplash in a bad car wreck in February. Drugs and physical therapy haven't stopped my neck muscle spasms. The muscles spasms have pulled my spinal cord straight where it should be curved.
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Post by Pants on Jul 18, 2014 10:08:15 GMT -5
I've had those. They're not horrible. Make sure you check out the surgical center as well as the doc. Is this a first step in your treatment or the whole recommeded treatment? ETA: Tagging wvugurl26
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 12:43:01 GMT -5
I've had those. They're not horrible. Make sure you check out the surgical center as well as the doc. Is this a first step in your treatment or the whole recommeded treatment? ETA: Tagging wvugurl26I think this is supposed to be what stops the muscle spam cycle. I've been on drugs since February and I did a couple months of physical therapy. The therapist discharged me because I wasn't improving. I do stretches the therapist gave me on my own. I will have to see what the guy says when I get an appointment. New patient ones take a hour according to the website.
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Post by nutty on Jul 18, 2014 13:42:20 GMT -5
I had a steroid (well I tried anyway) in my hip/lower back. They used an xray and I could not finish it, now I think I have a high tolerance for pain but that was excruciating.
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Post by Pants on Jul 18, 2014 14:44:44 GMT -5
I've had those. They're not horrible. Make sure you check out the surgical center as well as the doc. Is this a first step in your treatment or the whole recommeded treatment? ETA: Tagging wvugurl26I think this is supposed to be what stops the muscle spam cycle. I've been on drugs since February and I did a couple months of physical therapy. The therapist discharged me because I wasn't improving. I do stretches the therapist gave me on my own. I will have to see what the guy says when I get an appointment. New patient ones take a hour according to the website. The issue with cervical facet injection is that it's temporary - a couple months max if IIRC. But it does help with ending the pain and reducing inflammation, which can definitely help end that muscle spasm cycle. However, ending the spasms may not be an end to the pain, necessarily, or the spasms can come back. Good luck! (Also, can someone please tell me WTF is up with dr's being like "You're not getting better, I can't see you anymore, bye!" Is this normal?)
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 15:20:10 GMT -5
I think this is supposed to be what stops the muscle spam cycle. I've been on drugs since February and I did a couple months of physical therapy. The therapist discharged me because I wasn't improving. I do stretches the therapist gave me on my own. I will have to see what the guy says when I get an appointment. New patient ones take a hour according to the website. The issue with cervical facet injection is that it's temporary - a couple months max if IIRC. But it does help with ending the pain and reducing inflammation, which can definitely help end that muscle spasm cycle. However, ending the spasms may not be an end to the pain, necessarily, or the spasms can come back. Good luck! (Also, can someone please tell me WTF is up with dr's being like "You're not getting better, I can't see you anymore, bye!" Is this normal?) I did some more reading and found that it is usually a series. The hope was it'd be enough to stop the cycle. There's no damage shown on my MRI. I got ahold of someone but they needed my paperwork faxed. I guess I'll be doing that Monday. She was going to try and get the nurse to do it but I have my doubts about that. His secretary is nearly useless. The two knee surgeons I had in that practice had much better secretaries. I think being kicked out of PT is because you need to be improving to get insurance coverage of it? I guess the kicker for me is that I may never get 100% better.
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Post by Pants on Jul 18, 2014 15:50:32 GMT -5
The issue with cervical facet injection is that it's temporary - a couple months max if IIRC. But it does help with ending the pain and reducing inflammation, which can definitely help end that muscle spasm cycle. However, ending the spasms may not be an end to the pain, necessarily, or the spasms can come back. Good luck! (Also, can someone please tell me WTF is up with dr's being like "You're not getting better, I can't see you anymore, bye!" Is this normal?) I did some more reading and found that it is usually a series. The hope was it'd be enough to stop the cycle. There's no damage shown on my MRI. I got ahold of someone but they needed my paperwork faxed. I guess I'll be doing that Monday. She was going to try and get the nurse to do it but I have my doubts about that. His secretary is nearly useless. The two knee surgeons I had in that practice had much better secretaries. I think being kicked out of PT is because you need to be improving to get insurance coverage of it? I guess the kicker for me is that I may never get 100% better. No, you may not. It sucks. BUT if the issue is nerve inflammation which is causing muscle spasms, there are things that can be done. I had a very similar issue, but the spasms were in my back even thought the issue was in my neck. It took me 10 years to find a doctor who could help me. But I did! The thing is, if the facet injections work, there are other longer-lasting therapies that will likely work too in conjunction with PT. I get radio-frequency ablations, which essentially electrocutes the offending nerves and lasts for 6 months or longer. It's not perfect, but is 6 months, 12 months or 18 months better than daily pain? Yes, yes it is. Good luck getting in to see the doc. Hope is not lost!!
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 15:59:50 GMT -5
The ablation thing was also mentioned. I'll see what the pain guy recommends.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 18, 2014 16:03:39 GMT -5
I think this is supposed to be what stops the muscle spam cycle. I've been on drugs since February and I did a couple months of physical therapy. The therapist discharged me because I wasn't improving. I do stretches the therapist gave me on my own. I will have to see what the guy says when I get an appointment. New patient ones take a hour according to the website. The issue with cervical facet injection is that it's temporary - a couple months max if IIRC. But it does help with ending the pain and reducing inflammation, which can definitely help end that muscle spasm cycle. However, ending the spasms may not be an end to the pain, necessarily, or the spasms can come back. Good luck! ( Also, can someone please tell me WTF is up with dr's being like "You're not getting better, I can't see you anymore, bye!" Is this normal?)Insurance company makes this decision for the doctors. With most PT you get X number amount of visits and out the door ready or not. Insurance dictates health care now and has for the last 15 yrs or so. Of course a patient can pay for the treatment out of pocket if they want too.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2014 16:14:19 GMT -5
I think being kicked out of PT is because you need to be improving to get insurance coverage of it?
Not necessarily. The PT may feel that anything that they do is not helpful to you and you need some sort of different medical treatment. You were looking at PT to alleviate symptoms, when the symptoms were not being alleviated it simply means that this mode of treatment is not effective and a waste of money.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 18, 2014 17:48:41 GMT -5
It wasn't eliminating my pain so there was no point in continuing. At one point therapist suggested noduling. The problem was the only therapist trained in that worked while I was at work and my sick leave balance is pretty pitiful. I'd try anything at this point but the cortisone injections in the muscle trigger points didn't give lasting relief so I'm not sure what amounts to acupuncture would either.
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