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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 15:44:37 GMT -5
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn. man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home has been found guilty of all four counts of first-degree murder.
After roughly three hours of deliberation, the jury found 65-year-old Byron Smith guilty of two counts each of first-degree murder for the shooting deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady. minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ That didn't take long.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2014 15:50:44 GMT -5
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn. man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home has been found guilty of all four counts of first-degree murder.
After roughly three hours of deliberation, the jury found 65-year-old Byron Smith guilty of two counts each of first-degree murder for the shooting deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady. minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ That didn't take long. YES! (fist pump).
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Post by justme on Apr 29, 2014 15:59:04 GMT -5
Why is it four counts with only two people dead?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2014 16:00:58 GMT -5
Why is it four counts with only two people dead? Good question and I am sure the rationale will be provided shortly.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 16:02:29 GMT -5
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn. man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home has been found guilty of all four counts of first-degree murder.
After roughly three hours of deliberation, the jury found 65-year-old Byron Smith guilty of two counts each of first-degree murder for the shooting deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady. minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ That didn't take long. Yess! Excellent finding! Kudos to the jury!
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 16:10:34 GMT -5
I've just read another article that states the finding was 2 counts of first degree murder and 2 counts of second degree murder. CBS
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2014 16:14:16 GMT -5
I've just read another article that states the finding was 2 counts of first degree murder and 2 counts of second degree murder. CBSWould it be possible the prosecutors wanted to make sure that if Smith's first degree murder conviction was overturned on appeal, the second degree murder convictions would still stand?
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 29, 2014 16:39:06 GMT -5
Shameful. Hopefully overturned on appeal.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 16:40:50 GMT -5
I've just read another article that states the finding was 2 counts of first degree murder and 2 counts of second degree murder. CBSWould it be possible the prosecutors wanted to make sure that if Smith's first degree murder conviction was overturned on appeal, the second degree murder convictions would still stand?
No clue. Sounds like a good premise, though. I'm anxious to hear anything the jury is willing to share at this point. This was a very quick response!
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2014 16:47:34 GMT -5
Would it be possible the prosecutors wanted to make sure that if Smith's first degree murder conviction was overturned on appeal, the second degree murder convictions would still stand?
No clue. Sounds like a good premise, though. I'm anxious to hear anything the jury is willing to share at this point. This was a very quick response! Found it.
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Post by kent on Apr 29, 2014 17:03:32 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 17:26:13 GMT -5
Those things are irrelevant to this particular situation, kent. That's not an unusual exclusion in any way. What happened yesterday, or a week ago, or a year ago is not relevant to what actually happened today.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 17:34:58 GMT -5
Those things are irrelevant to this particular situation, kent. That's not an unusual exclusion in any way. What happened yesterday, or a week ago, or a year ago is not relevant to what actually happened today. there is a logic behind that, too. they are not on trial for their history. in fact, the kids were not on trial @ all. he was.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 17:35:15 GMT -5
i have mixed feelings about this result, but i don't know the particulars of the trial, or the case.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 17:36:59 GMT -5
Shameful. Hopefully overturned on appeal. Overturned on the grounds of "zib disagrees"?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 17:39:00 GMT -5
i have mixed feelings about this result, but i don't know the particulars of the trial, or the case. Details are very helpful in solving mixed feelings on this one.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 17:44:24 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at the jury's finding, really. I can't say I expected it. I didn't know what to expect, since the jury had a choice to find guilty for either first or second degree murder if they didn't find innocent. To me, from the information I had, I couldn't see anything but a murder conviction but wasn't sure whether the jury would go for the lesser, second degree charge or find, as I would have had to, guilty of first degree. Never occurred to me they'd do both.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 29, 2014 17:48:48 GMT -5
Those things are irrelevant to this particular situation, kent. That's not an unusual exclusion in any way. What happened yesterday, or a week ago, or a year ago is not relevant to what actually happened today. I would disagree that they are irrevalent. Do you really think that someone responds the same way after getting burgled the first time vs repeatedly? The kids past actions are what spurred this guy's actions.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 17:53:20 GMT -5
By law, they are irrelevant, Mich. The kids, as has been pointed out, weren't on trial here. What they did, or might have done yesterday, or last week, or last year is not relevant to this case. Because prescription drugs belonging to someone else are found in your car doesn't convict you of having stolen those drugs, does it? Had the kids been on trial, these things would have been brought into evidence and a decision as to the guilt or innocence of each kid would have been made. That, however, wasn't what this case was about.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 18:09:56 GMT -5
Those things are irrelevant to this particular situation, kent. That's not an unusual exclusion in any way. What happened yesterday, or a week ago, or a year ago is not relevant to what actually happened today. I would disagree that they are irrevalent. Do you really think that someone responds the same way after getting burgled the first time vs repeatedly? The kids past actions are what spurred this guy's actions. Yes, they lead him to commit premeditated murder. Most people who commit premeditated murder are motivated by their victim's past actions.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 18:21:40 GMT -5
i have mixed feelings about this result, but i don't know the particulars of the trial, or the case. Details are very helpful in solving mixed feelings on this one. rather than sifting through 11 pages, want to give me a few highlights?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 18:22:23 GMT -5
I'll just break this down to the simplest of fact. ... I can break it down even simpler. A trial was held and a jury of the man's peers said he committed premeditated murder.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 18:33:01 GMT -5
I can break it down even simpler. A trial was held and a jury of the man's peers said he committed premeditated murder. Well my fact prevents the entire incident from even happening... lots of other facts would, as well.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 29, 2014 18:33:16 GMT -5
Details are very helpful in solving mixed feelings on this one. rather than sifting through 11 pages, want to give me a few highlights? Lowlights? The man parked his car blocks away from his house, sat in his basement with guns at the ready, shot the first person to come down the stairs three times including the final one at close range. Through the body on a tarp and hauled it into another room. Sat back down and then shot the next person who came down the stairs three times including a final shot under the chin upwards with a 22 since his more powerful weapon had jammed. This last shot was accompanied with a "you're dying bitch" comment recorded on the system he had set up to record the event. The next day he asked a neighbor to call the police to pick up the bodies. The shootings took place on Thanksgiving Day and he indicated he didn't want to ruin the cops day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 18:34:14 GMT -5
By law, they are irrelevant, Mich. The kids, as has been pointed out, weren't on trial here. What they did, or might have done yesterday, or last week, or last year is not relevant to this case. Because prescription drugs belonging to someone else are found in your car doesn't convict you of having stolen those drugs, does it? Had the kids been on trial, these things would have been brought into evidence and a decision as to the guilt or innocence of each kid would have been made. That, however, wasn't what this case was about. as much as some would like it to be.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 18:36:23 GMT -5
rather than sifting through 11 pages, want to give me a few highlights? Lowlights? The man parked his car blocks away from his house, sat in his basement with guns at the ready, shot the first person to come down the stairs the times including the final one at close range. Through the body on a tarp and hauled it into another room. Sat back down and then shot the next person who came down the stairs three times including a final shot under the chin upwards with a 22 since his more powerful weapon had jammed. This last shot was accompanied with a "you're dying bitch" comment recorded on the system he had set up to record the event. The next day he asked a neighbor to call the police to pick up the bodies. The shootings took place on Thanksgiving Day and he indicated he didn't want to ruin the cops day. i see. so, let me guess how the jury saw this. this guy set a trap for teens, knowing that they would joy ride his house looking for drugs or spare change, and then waited in his basement to "off" them? is that about it? did he even lock his house?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2014 18:37:00 GMT -5
I'll just break this down to the simplest of fact. If the "kids" had not broken into this guy's house, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, I think what he did was definitely overkill but why did she, after hearing the first shots fired, proceed to go down to the basement? One shot and I'd run out of there so fast...
If you break into my house and I feel threatened, you lose all rights to your personal safety... sorry. You don't belong in my house. Period. The girl was outdoors and did not enter the house and the basement until 10 minutes after the young man was shot and killed. She never heard the gunshots.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 29, 2014 18:38:53 GMT -5
Lowlights? The man parked his car blocks away from his house, sat in his basement with guns at the ready, shot the first person to come down the stairs the times including the final one at close range. Through the body on a tarp and hauled it into another room. Sat back down and then shot the next person who came down the stairs three times including a final shot under the chin upwards with a 22 since his more powerful weapon had jammed. This last shot was accompanied with a "you're dying bitch" comment recorded on the system he had set up to record the event. The next day he asked a neighbor to call the police to pick up the bodies. The shootings took place on Thanksgiving Day and he indicated he didn't want to ruin the cops day. i see. so, let me guess how the jury saw this. this guy set a trap for teens, knowing that they would joy ride his house looking for drugs or spare change, and then waited in his basement to "off" them? is that about it? did he even lock his house? Don't know if the kids tried the door, dj. From what I read, Brady entered the house by breaking a window from the back deck. The rest of it you've got about right.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2014 18:42:44 GMT -5
i see. so, let me guess how the jury saw this. this guy set a trap for teens, knowing that they would joy ride his house looking for drugs or spare change, and then waited in his basement to "off" them? is that about it? did he even lock his house? Don't know if the kids tried the door, dj. From what I read, Brady entered the house by breaking a window from the back deck. The rest of it you've got about right. not sure how much more i need to know. this is a nice counterweight to SYG. gives the NRA something to bitch about.
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