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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2014 11:17:38 GMT -5
Yes, always okay on my terms. I also understand that my terms are not always that which society determines as okay and accept that at times killings will take place without consequence outside of what I consider appropriate. Good chance this man killed to keep from becoming a repeat victim. He probably felt justified in his actions ( his terms?) as the home invaders entered. IM(not so)HO, I am sure that he felt "justified in his actions". I am sure that most, if not all, who commit premeditated murder feel justified in their actions. It has now been officially announced by the justice system to Mr Smith, "You were wrong." |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 11:41:36 GMT -5
Good chance this man killed to keep from becoming a repeat victim. He probably felt justified in his actions ( his terms?) as the home invaders entered. IM(not so)HO, I am sure that he felt "justified in his actions". I am sure that most, if not all, who commit premeditated murder feel justified in their actions. It has now been officially announced by the justice system to Mr Smith, "You were wrong." There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2014 12:00:02 GMT -5
IM(not so)HO, I am sure that he felt "justified in his actions". I am sure that most, if not all, who commit premeditated murder feel justified in their actions. It has now been officially announced by the justice system to Mr Smith, "You were wrong." There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies. ...as Mr.Smith has also found out. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2014 12:01:13 GMT -5
IM(not so)HO, I am sure that he felt "justified in his actions". I am sure that most, if not all, who commit premeditated murder feel justified in their actions. It has now been officially announced by the justice system to Mr Smith, "You were wrong." There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies. Those "waiting for the right circumstance" don't bother me. Smith did not do that. He created the "right" circumstance. That was why he was convicted of premeditation. This is a great object lesson for teaching children to not kill at times you don't have to as well as one for teaching children the risks of criminal activity. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 12:40:26 GMT -5
There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies. ...as Mr.Smith has also found out. Agreed. The dumb ones just about always get caught. |
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 2, 2014 12:45:20 GMT -5
IM(not so)HO, I am sure that he felt "justified in his actions". I am sure that most, if not all, who commit premeditated murder feel justified in their actions. It has now been officially announced by the justice system to Mr Smith, "You were wrong." There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies. I was raised to be respectful of others and to take responsibility for my own actions, even from a very young age. I hope to do the same for DD. Not to say we didn't do normal stupid teenage stuff (skip a class, sneak out of the house to go to a party), but we never did anything criminal and we had sufficient consequences for the things that we did which made us think long & hard about going any further. Had the kids lived and been tried for breaking/entering, that's one thing. But they didn't get that chance because they were executed first. Their prior history can only be admitted, IMO, if it involves a convicted burglary of Mr. Smith. Otherwise, just because his home had been burglarized previously and just because they had previously broken into homes to steal medicines does not mean that they were the actual ones who had broken into his home. |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2014 12:56:59 GMT -5
Baiting and salting within 10 days before a deer hunt in Minnesota is against state law. It is also against the law with no exceptions in Montana (where the German youth was murdered by the home owner).
Baiting humans for the purpose of premeditated murder has now ben found criminal by a jury in Minnesota. May it be found criminal by a jury in Montana too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 12:59:51 GMT -5
There are many more like him lying in wait for the right circumstance. Removing him from society is like swatting a mosquito in Wisconsin. Best to teach ones children about the realities of the world when they're young. It's not all flowers and puppies. I was raised to be respectful of others and to take responsibility for my own actions, even from a very young age. I hope to do the same for DD. Not to say we didn't do normal stupid teenage stuff (skip a class, sneak out of the house to go to a party), but we never did anything criminal and we had sufficient consequences for the things that we did which made us think long & hard about going any further. Had the kids lived and been tried for breaking/entering, that's one thing. But they didn't get that chance because they were executed first. Their prior history can only be admitted, IMO, if it involves a convicted burglary of Mr. Smith. Otherwise, just because his home had been burglarized previously and just because they had previously broken into homes to steal medicines does not mean that they were the actual ones who had broken into his home. I don't condone Smith's actions as presented by the various media's. My reasoning is that children or young adults engaging in home invasion stand a really good chance of entering a kill or be killed situation. Court and retribution come after, if you survive. There's satisfaction for the social engineers in an after the fact kind of way with a conviction, but the dead participants won't be brought back to life. |
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 13:00:42 GMT -5
New meaning to the phrase " slap on the wrist."
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2014 13:07:49 GMT -5
... I don't condone Smith's actions as presented by the various media's. ... I don't condone Smith's actions as proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 13:13:36 GMT -5
... I don't condone Smith's actions as presented by the various media's. ... I don't condone Smith's actions as proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers. That also doesn't reanimate the home invaders. They're still dead. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2014 13:18:33 GMT -5
I don't condone Smith's actions as proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers. That doesn't reanimate the home invaders. They're still dead. That is why I specifically did not quote your entire posting. I only quoted the part that cried out seriously for comment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 13:38:24 GMT -5
That doesn't reanimate the home invaders. They're still dead. That is why I specifically did not quote your entire posting. I only quoted the part that cried out seriously for comment. I got my conviction information through the media.  |
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2014 13:54:08 GMT -5
That is why I specifically did not quote your entire posting. I only quoted the part that cried out seriously for comment. I got my conviction information through the media. This certainly calls for a song |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 14:13:47 GMT -5
I got my conviction information through the media. This certainly calls for a song A home invasion killing and conviction will not stop the next one, or next one, or next one, or next one.... |
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 15:45:41 GMT -5
No, it won't but at least there are two criminals off the streets permanently. Unfortunately, the legal system protects the guilty against the innocent so people have to defend themselves.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2014 16:00:03 GMT -5
No, it won't but at least there are two criminals off the streets permanently. Unfortunately, the legal system protects the guilty against the innocent so people have to defend themselves. Three criminals. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 16:32:15 GMT -5
No, it won't but at least there are two criminals off the streets permanently. Unfortunately, the legal system protects the guilty against the innocent so people have to defend themselves. no. the legal system presumes everyone is innocent, including vigilantes. the burden of proof is always on the victim to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the person being tried is guilty in a criminal trial. if you happen to be on the other end of the stick, you will be very thankful that it works that way. |
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Post by truthbound on May 2, 2014 17:05:36 GMT -5
not following your logic there. you got it wrong with mmhmm. who ELSE did you think didn't listen to the tapes? Speaking of being wrong. By all means quote the post where I mentioned mmhmm at all much less referenced their position. Don't worry we won't hold our breath. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 17:23:03 GMT -5
not following your logic there. you got it wrong with mmhmm. who ELSE did you think didn't listen to the tapes? Speaking of being wrong. By all means quote the post where I mentioned mmhmm at all much less referenced their position. Don't worry we won't hold our breath. probably wise on a bulletin board. you never know when you are going to get a reply. no, you are right. you didn't say mmhmm. what you said was FAR WORSE. you said NONE of us listened. that would include mmhmm. but you are right. i really didn't need to ask that question. the fact that ONE person did made you wrong. |
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Post by mmhmm on May 2, 2014 17:33:49 GMT -5
The above is a copy of your post made yesterday, truthbound. Dj is absolutely right. You said it was "obvious NONE [emphasis mine] of" us listened to the recordings. That's why I replied to that post. I most certainly did listen to the recordings - more than once. You were dead wrong.
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Post by EVT1 on May 2, 2014 19:41:03 GMT -5
I don't condone Smith's actions as proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers. That also doesn't reanimate the home invaders. They're still dead. They were not home invaders, they were burglars. I'd bet dollars to donuts if that man had yelled HEY! they would have hauled ass out of there.
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Post by truthbound on May 3, 2014 4:13:27 GMT -5
Speaking of being wrong. By all means quote the post where I mentioned mmhmm at all much less referenced their position. Don't worry we won't hold our breath. probably wise on a bulletin board. you never know when you are going to get a reply. no, you are right. you didn't say mmhmm. what you said was FAR WORSE. you said NONE of us listened. that would include mmhmm. but you are right. i really didn't need to ask that question. the fact that ONE person did made you wrong. Thank you. Yes I am right. If anyone with a brain listened to them this discussion would not be going on. Making a determination of guilt would be easy. |
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Post by tallguy on May 3, 2014 10:19:52 GMT -5
Thank you. Yes I am right. (Trust us, if that ever happens we'll be sure to let you know. It will certainly be a momentous occasion.) If anyone with a brain listened to them this discussion would not be going on. Making a determination of guilt would be easy.  Oh, right, they weren't. Making a determination of guilt WAS easy. The problem arises when someone with half a brain listens to them.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2014 11:58:52 GMT -5
probably wise on a bulletin board. you never know when you are going to get a reply. no, you are right. you didn't say mmhmm. what you said was FAR WORSE. you said NONE of us listened. that would include mmhmm. but you are right. i really didn't need to ask that question. the fact that ONE person did made you wrong. Thank you. Yes I am right. not about the fact that nobody listened to the tape. you were dead wrong about that.If anyone with a brain listened to them this discussion would not be going on. Making a determination of guilt would be easy. sure it would. it is still an interesting discussion, no matter whether you think he was innocent or not. as i said earlier, this is sort of a "reducio ad absurdum" for the stand your ground idea. and indeed, a jury can convict someone who carries that idea to this extreme. |
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Post by truthbound on May 6, 2014 4:34:27 GMT -5
That is why I specifically did not quote your entire posting. I only quoted the part that cried out seriously for comment. I got my conviction information through the media. That was your first mistake. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 11:28:53 GMT -5
That also doesn't reanimate the home invaders. They're still dead. They were not home invaders, they were burglars. I'd bet dollars to donuts if that man had yelled HEY! they would have hauled ass out of there.
You enter someones home without an invite or permission, your a home invader. If you remove items from the said home while invading, you're now a burglar too. You enter my home and don't immediately follow my instructions or turn and run, you will die. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 11:30:48 GMT -5
I got my conviction information through the media. That was your first mistake. Why ? It was correct information. |
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