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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 9:44:01 GMT -5
And the fun just keeps on rolling...by her own account Ms. Idiot ran into Mr. Hookup at a bar while he was with a different Ms. Idiot. Apparently she confronted him, found out he has been dallying with 3 (that's THREE) other Ms. Idiot's this week. At this point our Ms. Idiot is PROUD to report that she poured a drink on him. So much for anyone at the conferance that wasn't aware of her after class activities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 9:45:36 GMT -5
And the fun just keeps on rolling...by her own account Ms. Idiot ran into Mr. Hookup at a bar while he was with a different Ms. Idiot. Apparently she confronted him, found out he has been dallying with 3 (that's THREE) other Ms. Idiot's this week. At this point our Ms. Idiot is PROUD to report that she poured a drink on him. So much for anyone at the conferance that wasn't aware of her after class activities. Jeez.. How do I get to go to this conference?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 4, 2014 9:45:39 GMT -5
We all make mistakes. This will either come back to bite her, or it won't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 9:54:03 GMT -5
Nah, I see her running around from cubicle to cubicle telling those who weren't there what went on with co-worker. Oh, in tech times she will just probably email everyone Maybe her boss should have a word with her before monday about gossiping ìn the office. Her boss is the one she's gossiping with
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2014 9:56:36 GMT -5
Maybe her boss should have a word with her before monday about gossiping ìn the office. Her boss is the one she's gossiping with I know! And the gossip should end with you! That ìs why I posted what I did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 9:59:19 GMT -5
Too late Tenn, I've already told all of you. As for around the office, I'm not going to have to say a word. Ms. Idiot is going to be telling on herself. She is that much of an idiot.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 4, 2014 10:06:36 GMT -5
Too late Tenn, I've already told all of you. As for around the office, I'm not going to have to say a word. Ms. Idiot is going to be telling on herself. She is that much of an idiot. Why in the heck is this person still employed by the company? As I understand it, she pulled a similar trick last year?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:12:27 GMT -5
Too late Tenn, I've already told all of you. As for around the office, I'm not going to have to say a word. Ms. Idiot is going to be telling on herself. She is that much of an idiot. Why in the heck is this person still employed by the company? As I understand it, she pulled a similar trick last year? She has had warnings and 2 suspensions for other behaviour that was inappropriate. And those were not conferance events. So this behaviour is not ignored. She has enough skill at the job that it is outweighing this behaviour, for the moment. But the scale is slowly tipping out of her favour.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 4, 2014 10:16:24 GMT -5
Why in the heck is this person still employed by the company? As I understand it, she pulled a similar trick last year? She has had warnings and 2 suspensions for other behaviour that was inappropriate. And those were not conferance events. So this behaviour is not ignored. She has enough skill at the job that it is outweighing this behaviour, for the moment. But the scale is slowly tipping out of her favour. Uggh. Sounds like she's signing her own death warrant where her job is concerned. No matter how good you are, if you're making your company look bad sooner, or later, you're not going to be there anymore. Sounds like they've got the goods on her. It's just a matter of how much of this they're willing to overlook. I'd wonder what would happen if a client complained.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:20:20 GMT -5
I think she is an idiot but I don't actually want to see her fired. Just for her to smarten up.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 4, 2014 10:30:02 GMT -5
Just for her to smarten upYou should probably get out this and this while you wait. Geez, you'd think by now she'd learn you don't air your dirty laundry to people. I'm honestly surprised she is in her 30's. From what you've posted she sounds like she's 18. If she wants to be dramatic that's her problem but damn you don't do it on a company trip! You never know whose ears your dirt will reach. And apparently it's reaching the ears of people in control of potential promotions. Not good.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 4, 2014 10:34:32 GMT -5
I think she is an idiot but I don't actually want to see her fired. Just for her to smarten up. Then somebody's going to have to sit down with her and explain, in words of 1 syllable or less, that drinking to excess while representing the company shouldn't happen. That hooking up while representing the company shouldn't happen. That having a public dispute with said hookup while representing the company shouldn't happen. And you certainly shouldn't be telling your coworkers and the world if you do any of that while representing the company. I believe in the US there's been litigation over what a company can expect it's employees to do/behave on company paid for trips. You might want to check Canadian law to see if there's anything there. And update the company manual to expressly state what's expected while representing the company on trips like this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:40:09 GMT -5
Oooooh! I like the idea of giving her the pages in the manual! Then if she does it again you've got it on record that she was made aware of the company policy and chose to ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:43:53 GMT -5
I think she is an idiot but I don't actually want to see her fired. Just for her to smarten up. Then somebody's going to have to sit down with her and explain, in words of 1 syllable or less, that drinking to excess while representing the company shouldn't happen. That hooking up while representing the company shouldn't happen. That having a public dispute with said hookup while representing the company shouldn't happen. And you certainly shouldn't be telling your coworkers and the world if you do any of that while representing the company. Ya, my next choice is deciding if it's nicer to do it myself or get her immediat boss to.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 4, 2014 10:45:50 GMT -5
Then somebody's going to have to sit down with her and explain, in words of 1 syllable or less, that drinking to excess while representing the company shouldn't happen. That hooking up while representing the company shouldn't happen. That having a public dispute with said hookup while representing the company shouldn't happen. And you certainly shouldn't be telling your coworkers and the world if you do any of that while representing the company. Ya, my next choice is deciding if it's nicer to do it myself or get her immediat boss to. Is her immediate boss at this function? IF yes, then have them do it. IF not, have biggest boss at function do it. While function is still going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:46:26 GMT -5
You should just post to her facebook to stop being a slut. Have everyone at the office do the same.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2014 11:03:31 GMT -5
Oooooh! I like the idea of giving her the pages in the manual! Then if she does it again you've got it on record that she was made aware of the company policy and chose to ignore it. A documented counseling with employee and manager signing she received a copy of the policy ìn question. Counseling kept Ìn her permanent employee file.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Apr 6, 2014 10:23:51 GMT -5
I will not share a room with a coworker. I barely like sharing a room with my husband. Exactly Sent from my Nexus 10
you all must have been real fun in college during spring break
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 6, 2014 11:38:35 GMT -5
Exactly Sent from my Nexus 10
you all must have been real fun in college during spring break
Some of us were real fun in high school during spring break
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Apr 7, 2014 9:31:04 GMT -5
Exactly Sent from my Nexus 10
you all must have been real fun in college during spring break
college sarcasticgirl and 33 year old sarcastic girl are two different people. in college you shared rooms so you could afford more booze, and you generally shared with friend. as an adult, i don't have the same goals during a business trip/convention etc.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Apr 7, 2014 10:45:11 GMT -5
you all must have been real fun in college during spring break
college sarcasticgirl and 33 year old sarcastic girl are two different people. in college you shared rooms so you could afford more booze, and you generally shared with friend. as an adult, i don't have the same goals during a business trip/convention etc.
Thus you meet the definition of "prude"
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 7, 2014 12:04:44 GMT -5
college sarcasticgirl and 33 year old sarcastic girl are two different people. in college you shared rooms so you could afford more booze, and you generally shared with friend. as an adult, i don't have the same goals during a business trip/convention etc.
Thus you meet the definition of "prude"
<Beth shrugs> I can live with that.
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Post by skubikky on Apr 10, 2014 10:46:55 GMT -5
Now, now, don't go dissing my source! Seriously, I do expect to be told of things like this that are going to impact our reputation. I'm in a better position to handle any feedback we get from it. And in a better decision to decide who represents us in the future. How exactly will this affect your company reputation? One way would be if the yenta who told you repeated it to people outside of your organization. If I were you I wouldn't discuss this with anyone, especially the person who told you. Minding your own business is usually the best way to proceed. If I heard one of our employees discussing this type of thing, I'd think a lot less of them as well. Whether or not the woman who did all this is openly discussing it isn't the point. When you partake, you become part of the issue. Obviously whomever is in charge has decided to keep this woman on the payroll despite her previous behaviors. That speaks volumes. And, if she's strong on the job, others who persist in blabbing could be risking their own position.
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Post by murphath on Apr 10, 2014 11:31:39 GMT -5
When I worked as an acct. executive for an international airline, I occasionally had to escort familiarization trips (aka fam trips) for travel agents. I was the co-escort for a cruise with the other escort being from the cruise line. It was a very small ship (@100 people tops). She was in my room and had hooked up with the co-captain of the ship. I walked in on them and just said, "this is not happening in here. Go to his room to play." The captain found out. Not surprising since everyone on board knew. They couldn't keep their hands off each other. The captain apparently contacted the cruise company regional office and the gal got fired. I would hope the co-captain got fired, as well. Takes two to tango.
So, I guess I'm a prude. When you are traveling on business, you really should behave professionally.
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Post by justme on Apr 10, 2014 11:45:11 GMT -5
If I'm supposed to be on "the company dime" 24/7 while I'm at a conference, the better be paying me for every damn hour I'm there then. Otherwise, when I'm off the clock - I'm off the clock. Now, that being said it's not the smartest idea to get drunk at a conference event, but if it's at the bar down the street after the conference ends for the day? Nobody's business unless she misses/screws up the conference the next day or is doing the drunk parade emblazoned in the company logo. If she's blabbing her mouth to coworkers, she needs to be called on for using more discretion since it make someone uncomfortable and maybe is inching towards sexual harassment? As for not sleeping in her room - as long as she makes it to the conference the next day and doesn't fall asleep I'm not sure why it's anyone's business. I was at a conference last year in New Orleans and EVERYONE went out. Not just my company, but all companies. My manager also encouraged going out to see the city after the conference ended for the day. There was the nightly drunk parade of people coming in from Bourbon St if you cared to watch. The higher ups at my company met for drinks every night, and there was some tales about karaoke so some might have been drunk. The VP of my company, and president of the conference, had an after party in his penthouse that was over flowing with booze. Most were buzzed by the time they left. The rest of the youngins went to gamble ( ) so I went with my manager and former PM (that's at a different company now) to Bourbon and they kept handing me drinks all night and then we met up with the youngins who were drunk themselves. And after all that, I got the individual award at my company that quarter in part for my paper that made it to the conference. No one knows where I slept though since I had my own room.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 10, 2014 12:03:33 GMT -5
If I'm supposed to be on "the company dime" 24/7 while I'm at a conference, the better be paying me for every damn hour I'm there then. Otherwise, when I'm off the clock - I'm off the clock. And I'm pretty sure that's why there is litigation in the US on this topic. I think the biggest issue I have with this is that she's babbling about it her coworkers. And God only knows what the hookup guy is telling people. And I don't know how small the industry in question is. It's conceivable that in a small industry the people involved in this will be known as "the idiots from X conference in 2014" I was shipped to a week long training thing in 2006. It's done on a campus in Maryland, in the middle of nowhere (or so it seems) and there's a bar on campus. They were telling me stories, in 2006 mind you, about a woman who'd been banned from the bar forever. And had been refused entrance on return training trips. And because this is a closed campus in the middle of nowhere, Homeland Security used to run a van to pick up and drop off attendees, so you were basically stuck on campus unless you could score a ride or wanted to walk. Sometimes stories about people live forever.
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Post by justme on Apr 10, 2014 12:07:52 GMT -5
Oh, I agree it's not wise for her to hook up at the conference. It could hurt her reputation between the industry, the obvious possibility she's not the only one, etc. I just don't see it hurting the company's unless she was covered in logos. Like with your example, everyone remembers her but they probably don't have a clue what company she worked for.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 10, 2014 14:08:17 GMT -5
I've never so completely disagreed with you mmhmm. Is this person sharing with everyone what she is doing? Or are people making assumptions? Being sloppy drunk at a work function would bother me--although it happens all the time and doesn't seem to have any impact on work- but this....not even on the radar. It's always a good reminder to me though to know what other people are likely to make assumptions about. Dh and I's lives aren't always conventional and I have remind myself that people looking in have some even stranger ideas of our lives. It's the public drunkenness that worries me the most, raeoflyte. The woman's sexual proclivities should be her own business; however, according to laterbloomer's posts, this was not the case because she didn't keep her dallying private. You seem to be concentrating on that particular behavior rather than on the drunkenness. I'm not. I'm looking at the whole picture and how it serves to present the company that's paying for this person's attendance. While your life may not be conventional, that's your business. If you work for a company that's sending you as a representative to a convention, I expect you'd have more sense than to flout your unconventional lifestyle at that convention. I've read enough from you to make that estimation pretty easily. LOL, My DH is in Sales. His company functions always include alchohol. According to this thread drinking to excess at company functions is taboo. Well, I have rarely ever been drunk in public but I have drunk to excess at at least one of Dh's company functions. It included my kids and a resort, and to my shame I got sick. . I have only ever been sick about 3 x in my life from drinking. Not only did I get sick, I was pretty open about it. Guess what? DH's manager would hire me in a heartbeat. So not every job considers drinking to excess at a company function taboo. Drinking at company functions loosens people up to socialize. If spouses are included, often they are not as comfortable smoozing as the other half. I don't think I have bad memories of a single business trip I was included in, and I have enjoyed the mandatory socializing functions too. My SIL, told me recently she has a really hard time with those. i was surprised. We have enjoyed even breakfasts where no one was drinking. You just learn to talk with people. Even my kids are comfortable talking with stangers/aquantances because they have been dragged on company functions their whole life. I don't like the idea of people "hooking up" indiscrimatiely, but it is none of my business unless it is my DH. Guys do this all the time, and I don't think people even think enough of it to comment on it. DH has a freind we know had an affair. DH is beside himself that he should divorce her. But if it was a guy, DH would not say anything. DH once tried to introduce a casual friend's "other woman" to me as the guys wife. I rembered meeting the wife and I said that is not his wife. DH says he did not know, but I am not sure. The wife was a very pale skinned red head, and she struk me as an odd combinatin of with a typical Mexican and I retained that, so when I was introduced to the other woman I knew it was not the wife...I am not sure if DH would have known that or not. With DH's friend and his wife, I decided if they can get past it, so can I. It is not my problem and none of my concern.
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 10, 2014 15:51:36 GMT -5
Nope but she could be sleeping her way to the top in your business, too, so stay out of it and let someone else take the heat!
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