Ukraine

[billisonboard]

Mar 20, 2014 9:02:13 GMT -5 Lizard King said:

Don't see any reason to expend more effort for their freedom than they are spending.

Do you see any reason to subsidize your neighbor's lifestyle more than your neighbor is?

Yes

[Lizard King]

Do you differentiate based on whether your neighbor is a citizen?

[Lizard King]

Is it really ours to give?

[Lizard King]

That sounds a lot like it's theirs, doesn't it?

Like the people who actually use the geography stake a claim to the geography, and the government must make some appeal to those people to sustain the concept of nationhood.

It's also interesting that we'd both say that a minority, given the choice, would choose not to be part of the United States. One wonders, nationwide, how large that minority might be, and what its trendline looks like.

[Value Buy]

Mar 21, 2014 8:16:12 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

What would the people in the Southwest say?  What if we held a vote tomorrow?  I am guessing, without a shred of evidence, that a solid majority- even including Latinos- would vote to be part of the United States.

Even if they voted to become part of Mexico, I think our country answered this question 155 years ago.

It is not allowed to happen even if the people say they want out.

Of course, with Obama's laize faire attitude, maybe it could happen in the southwest today.

Montana, probably not, because they are white supremists and would have to be taught a lesson

[djAdvocate]

Mar 21, 2014 8:21:58 GMT -5 Lizard King said:

That sounds a lot like it's theirs, doesn't it?

Like the people who actually use the geography stake a claim to the geography, and the government must make some appeal to those people to sustain the concept of nationhood.

It's also interesting that we'd both say that a minority, given the choice, would choose not to be part of the United States. One wonders, nationwide, how large that minority might be, and what its trendline looks like.

i am imagining such votes are a regular occurrence in Texas.  you could probably make a trendline based on that state.

[Lizard King]

i am imagining such votes are a regular occurrence in Texas. you could probably make a trendline based on that state.

That's worth investigating, although I suspect the push to secede isn't coming from the Hispanic community and that was really the tenor of my earlier comment.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 21, 2014 10:23:04 GMT -5 Lizard King said:

i am imagining such votes are a regular occurrence in Texas. you could probably make a trendline based on that state.

That's worth investigating, although I suspect the push to secede isn't coming from the Hispanic community and that was really the tenor of my earlier comment.

ah.

[billisonboard]

Mar 21, 2014 7:11:52 GMT -5 Lizard King said:

Do you differentiate based on whether your neighbor is a citizen?

Nope.

[OldCoyote]

The picture Samantha Powers shows her frustration with Ukraine.

 Vitaly Churkin look says What do you want me to do here, I have no power with Putin.

The people in the background are laughing at us, they know that Putin is in charge.

www.businessinsider.com.au/ukraine-putin-obama-russia-iran-syria-crimea-2014-3

[Tennesseer]

Mar 24, 2014 8:06:45 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The picture Samantha Powers shows her frustration with Ukraine.

 Vitaly Churkin look says What do you want me to do here, I have no power with Putin.

The people in the background are laughing at us, they know that Putin is in charge.

www.businessinsider.com.au/ukraine-putin-obama-russia-iran-syria-crimea-2014-3

I read your link.  It made no mention the people ìn the background (of the picture) were laughing at us.  Were you the photographer who took the picture and know more about the scene than the rest of us? 

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Mar 18, 2014 23:03:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 18, 2014 11:40:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

... But I do! ...

How about the Ukranians? Or is this just the jocks and the cheerleaders?

The Ukrainians will do what they do. I wouldn't interfere with their activities.

[billisonboard]

Mar 26, 2014 7:37:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 18, 2014 23:03:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

How about the Ukranians? Or is this just the jocks and the cheerleaders?

The Ukrainians will do what they do. I wouldn't interfere with their activities.

Yes they currently are doing what they are doing. I would also not interfere with their activities but would factor them into the decisions I make. Or rather, since I am just a poster on a message board, include them in the discussion.

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Mar 26, 2014 9:33:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 26, 2014 7:37:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

The Ukrainians will do what they do. I wouldn't interfere with their activities.

Yes they currently are doing what they are doing. I would also not interfere with their activities but would factor them into the decisions I make. Or rather, since I am just a poster on a message board, include them in the discussion.

I did look at the OP before posting for the first time on this thread. It had no requirement the discussion was to be about Ukrainians only. Hence, I stand by my first post, and it seems to be pretty accurate at this later date. I saw a political satire on the Ukraine in our paper last week. It showed Obama's big stick. A toothpick dispenser with Obama's name on it.

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2014 14:01:16 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mar 26, 2014 9:33:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yes they currently are doing what they are doing. I would also not interfere with their activities but would factor them into the decisions I make. Or rather, since I am just a poster on a message board, include them in the discussion.

I did look at the OP before posting for the first time on this thread. It had no requirement the discussion was to be about Ukrainians only. Hence, I stand by my first post, and it seems to be pretty accurate at this later date. I saw a political satire on the Ukraine in our paper last week. It showed Obama's big stick. A toothpick dispenser with Obama's name on it.

The question for me is why does Obama need a big stick? The Ukrainians needed a stick big enough to safeguard their own country and the willingness to use it. I support backing them but you can't "back" someone who has simply turned and ran.

[Lizard King]

The Ukrainians needed a stick big enough to safeguard their own country and the willingness to use it.

The whole point of the Budapest Accords was that they in fact didn't need that stick. They had that stick, in fact they had thousands of big sticks with fissionable material on the end of the sticks, and they gave them up for a piece of paper that it turns out wasn't worth an awful lot. A piece of paper that we were signatories to, in fact, which might make us at least a little culpable for their toothlessness today.

[billisonboard]

Saving Potted Ficus
thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/6fb4cj/the-empire-takes-back
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Apr 2, 2014 14:24:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 2, 2014 14:01:16 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I did look at the OP before posting for the first time on this thread. It had no requirement the discussion was to be about Ukrainians only. Hence, I stand by my first post, and it seems to be pretty accurate at this later date. I saw a political satire on the Ukraine in our paper last week. It showed Obama's big stick. A toothpick dispenser with Obama's name on it.

The question for me is why does Obama need a big stick? The Ukrainians needed a stick big enough to safeguard their own country and the willingness to use it. I support backing them but you can't "back" someone who has simply turned and ran.

Did the majority of the Crimean area people run in fear, or run to embrace their Russian brethren. Will we ever know ? Will they follow the rule of law from Russia as they followed the rule of law from Ukraine ? Or did the people never mean anything in regards to Russia's naval base. They're going to find out in the not to near future.

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2014 15:14:05 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 2, 2014 14:24:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The question for me is why does Obama need a big stick? The Ukrainians needed a stick big enough to safeguard their own country and the willingness to use it. I support backing them but you can't "back" someone who has simply turned and ran.

Did the majority of the Crimean area people run in fear, or run to embrace their Russian brethren. Will we ever know ? Will they follow the rule of law from Russia as they followed the rule of law from Ukraine ? Or did the people never mean anything in regards to Russia's naval base. They're going to find out in the not to near future.

I heard nothing of a death toll for either the Russian invaders nor the Ukrainian Army. I am hearing nothing about the "underground army" that is carrying out a guerrilla style war on the occupying forces.

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Apr 2, 2014 15:33:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 2, 2014 15:14:05 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Did the majority of the Crimean area people run in fear, or run to embrace their Russian brethren. Will we ever know ? Will they follow the rule of law from Russia as they followed the rule of law from Ukraine ? Or did the people never mean anything in regards to Russia's naval base. They're going to find out in the not to near future.

I heard nothing of a death toll for either the Russian invaders nor the Ukrainian Army. I am hearing nothing about the "underground army" that is carrying out a guerrilla style war on the occupying forces.

The conditions whether good or bad, will come out eventually. Take pictures, or people won't believe what happened.

[Lizard King]

Take pictures, or people won't believe what happened.

An example of a statement that's perfectly acceptable here, but gets you in trouble on the Breast Enlargement forums.

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2014 15:45:36 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 2, 2014 15:33:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I heard nothing of a death toll for either the Russian invaders nor the Ukrainian Army. I am hearing nothing about the "underground army" that is carrying out a guerrilla style war on the occupying forces.

The conditions whether good or bad, will come out eventually. Take pictures, or people won't believe what happened.

There is film footage that is supposedly the Ukrainian Army in action in Reply #115.

[Lizard King]

nypost.com/2014/04/03/ukraine-imprisons-riot-police-for-protesters-sniper-deaths/

Then there's this, of course.

[billisonboard]

Musical Interlude

[djAdvocate]

on topic:

www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-forces-spotted-on-ground-in-eastern-ukraine-bloomberg-2014-04-15

[billisonboard]

Nice to read that the Ukrainian government is engaging their troops to fight this threat to their country.