Study: Yes, Pot Can Kill People (with Morbidities)

[EVT1]

Feb 28, 2014 22:58:25 GMT -5 steff said:

If people want to get intoxicated, it's no skin off my nose.

you should smoke a bowl.  Might make you less....ummmm...anal & condemning of those you don't agree with or just don't understand.  it's okay to be different.  In fact, it can be fun.  And fun is WAY better than always spouting blahblahblahblahblah down on others. 

I like Steff  

[steff]

Mar 1, 2014 1:07:46 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Feb 28, 2014 22:58:25 GMT -5 steff said:

you should smoke a bowl.  Might make you less....ummmm...anal & condemning of those you don't agree with or just don't understand.  it's okay to be different.  In fact, it can be fun.  And fun is WAY better than always spouting blahblahblahblahblah down on others. 

I like Steff  

Thanks! 

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

[Spellbound454]

I think it indirectly kills people.

Mind altering drugs, taken by under 21 year olds...before the nerve pathways are fully secure.... can cause irreversible changes.

The days of a little bit of MJ are over.. and we now have skunk on our streets, which has many times the potency.

In susceptible people, it can lead to:- a drug induced psychosis....paranoia.....depression and ultimately suicidal tendencies.


In school I have witnessed the sad demise of pupils, who think they are clever taking this drug...... many, many times.
The short of it, is they mess up their education and go on to fail.....No career, no ambitions, nothing out there for them.

Whilst it is possible to smoke the drug for many years and get away scot free........for some, it just isn't that simple.



Athough I have had it myself a few times......something that effects your life chances, causing you to fail.....or contributes to a mental illness

is not a good thing.

 

[Deleted]

Living in a rural area I'll sometimes pass a pasture full of cows standing around eating the grass (pun intended) doing nothing but existing.  Are they having fun?  I don't know, it's kind of hard to tell as they just stand and lay around doing nothing.  Sometimes they go moo, but it doesn't seem to mean anything. They are very tractable and show no mental fortitude at all.  I drive by knowing I'll stand a good chance of eating one of them some day, or many of them over time.  I wonder in their mental capacity, if they understand why they're in the position that they are in.  They don't seem to have developed a sense of entitlement yet, a type of pay equalization (metaphorically).  They definitely weren't a threat to me and my lifestyle in any way.  I continue into town in motorized air conditioned comfort.  Things continue as they are as the mooing fades into the background.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 1, 2014 1:04:40 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

To explain I was coming through an intersection- for the locals it was Perkins/Poplar I think- by the Wendy's- I had a green light and this shitbag blasted through a merge lane and I had to swerve and locked up the brakes and he had a phone in hand.  I remember thinking I should have just nailed the guy. 

Mr. Tenn should know the area- I was leaving the Half Shell.  Maybe Mendenhall?

Mt. Moriah and Poplar Ave by the railroad crossing.  Mt. Moriah turns into Mendenhall on the other side of Poplar Ave.  Delicious fresh oysters on the 'half shell'. 

[Tennesseer]

Mar 1, 2014 8:23:05 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Living in a rural area I'll sometimes pass a pasture full of cows standing around eating the grass (pun intended) doing nothing but existing.  Are they having fun?  I don't know, it's kind of hard to tell as they just stand and lay around doing nothing.  Sometimes they go moo, but it doesn't seem to mean anything. They are very tractable and show no mental fortitude at all.  I drive by knowing I'll stand a good chance of eating one of them some day, or many of them over time.  I wonder in their mental capacity, if they understand why they're in the position that they are in.  They don't seem to have developed a sense of entitlement yet, a type of pay equalization (metaphorically).  They definitely weren't a threat to me and my lifestyle in any way.  I continue into town in motorized air conditioned comfort.  Things continue as they are as the mooing fades into the background.

Cattle have fun and goof on each other after dark.  Cow tipping ìs one of their favorite pranks.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 1, 2014 5:33:56 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

I think it indirectly kills people.
 

sure.  so do potato chips. 

but here is the point: is pot the procuring cause of death?  does it lead directly to cancer or heart attack?  and, despite numerous studies, it has never been shown that it does.

meanwhile, the legal highly addictive alternative kills 433k each year in the US, and lowers the quality of life for another 8.6M due to chronic illness.

at the proximate level, the case against pot is unfathomably stupid.

[sesfw]

Deliberately doing .....

something that effects your life chances, causing you to fail.....or contributes to a mental illness is not a good thing.

Back on my soap box with personal responsibility.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 1, 2014 0:52:15 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Feb 28, 2014 23:37:25 GMT -5 grits said:

If they drove while on pot, they might go slow enough that you could get out of their way. Although, they'd cause unending wrecks trying to merge on the interstate going 5 mph.

I got pulled over after a doobie for going too slow.  Just a warning.

I drove on acid and mushrooms (not at the same time) however and got away fine   Word of advice- do not drive on acid or shrooms.  But weed?  A cellphone is more dangerous to a driver.  Don't ever recall looking down at some display when I was burning one- but I do remember some shithead in a BMW that I avoided crashing into because he was on a phone.

Canada has bans on cell phones while driving for precisely this reason. Distracted driving significantly raises the risk of a collision. Some studies suggest it raises the risk even beyond run-of-the-mill alcohol intoxication.

THC impairs a number of brain functions--motor control, sense of timing, depth perception, and short-term memory among them. If you're arguing that it's all good because you're slightly less likely to kill somebody by driving stoned than by driving while talking on the phone or driving while watching a Seinfeld rerun, best of luck explaining that to the arresting officer.

i can't remember: do you object to ALL recreational drugs, or just ones that are "illegal"?

All of them. That includes smoking and drinking to the point of intoxication.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 1, 2014 22:39:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 1, 2014 0:52:15 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I got pulled over after a doobie for going too slow.  Just a warning.

I drove on acid and mushrooms (not at the same time) however and got away fine   Word of advice- do not drive on acid or shrooms.  But weed?  A cellphone is more dangerous to a driver.  Don't ever recall looking down at some display when I was burning one- but I do remember some shithead in a BMW that I avoided crashing into because he was on a phone.

Canada has bans on cell phones while driving for precisely this reason. Distracted driving significantly raises the risk of a collision. Some studies suggest it raises the risk even beyond run-of-the-mill alcohol intoxication.

THC impairs a number of brain functions--motor control, sense of timing, depth perception, and short-term memory among them. If you're arguing that it's all good because you're slightly less likely to kill somebody by driving stoned than by driving while talking on the phone or driving while watching a Seinfeld rerun, best of luck explaining that to the arresting officer.

it also makes you extraordinary paranoid.  you are more likely to drive 20 miles UNDER the speed limit than 20 miles per hour OVER it (like drunk drivers do).  actually, you are more likely still to stay home and stare at the paint.

i can't remember: do you object to ALL recreational drugs, or just ones that are "illegal"?

All of them. That includes smoking and drinking to the point of intoxication.

ok, thanks.  i have way more respect for that position than the selectively dumb way we do drug enforcement down here.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Distracted driving, DUI's (whether cell phones, alcohol or controlled substances/drugs) are strictly enforced in Canada.

Many drivers use hands-free voice-activated or push-button cell phone options in their vehicles, but that's still (IMO) a driving distraction - since they have to take their eyes off the road.

The same thing could apply to changing the radio station or changing/inserting a CD.

[steff]

actually, you are more likely still to stay home and stare at the paint.

[truthbound]

Feb 28, 2014 13:45:19 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

How many pot induced deaths does it take to offset the positive gains that are made by THC's ability to expand knowledge?

It will take like umm...puff...what were we talking about again?

[steff]

Mar 2, 2014 5:10:11 GMT -5 truthbound said:

Feb 28, 2014 13:45:19 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

How many pot induced deaths does it take to offset the positive gains that are made by THC's ability to expand knowledge?

It will take like umm...puff...what were we talking about again?

Longest game of "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop" EVER! 






great, now I want a Tootsie Pop

[Deleted]

Feb 28, 2014 15:33:46 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I remember the beerwench of yore from way back when I first met her during an EE visit to Market talk at MSN.  I'm stunned by the descent into drug use.

The Field Trippers drove me to it! 

[NoNamePerson]

Mar 3, 2014 9:30:05 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Feb 28, 2014 15:33:46 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I remember the beerwench of yore from way back when I first met her during an EE visit to Market talk at MSN.  I'm stunned by the descent into drug use.

The Field Trippers drove me to it! 

Yeah right!! Blame it on the Moon    

[EVT1]

Heard an interesting thing on the radio this morning- will have to look into it- but there apparently was some study that tested levels of impairment with stoned drivers and the most impairment level they could get to was around the familiar .08- .10 range based on performance on driving simulators, the field sobriety test, etc.  In other words no matter how much weed was smoked they could never be as dangerous as a drunk driver that went over the limit. 

So far texting has the base DUI folks and all of the pot smokers beat when it comes to being a danger on the roadway- but again like was said- who wants to get off of the couch and go anywhere?


Weed vs. Alcohol- Bill Hicks:

[Virgil Showlion]

In other words no matter how much weed was smoked they could never be as dangerous as a drunk driver that went over the limit.

That's not how statistics work.

All the figure tells you is that your average stoned driver will be less dangerous than your average drunk driver who blows .1. Within those two populations there's going to be considerable variability.

[grits]

Saying it is safer than tobacco is not a good argument. The government is doing its best to get the public to stop smoking. We have nonstop ads, increased tobacco taxes, and lawsuits against the tobacco industry.

If the government does legalize pot, you can see some heavy duty regulation, taxation, and who knows what else down the road for it.

If a pack of good cigs now costs over 6 bucks, what will a baggy of weed cost?

[EVT1]

Mar 3, 2014 21:00:30 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

In other words no matter how much weed was smoked they could never be as dangerous as a drunk driver that went over the limit.

That's not how statistics work.

All the figure tells you is that your average stoned driver will be less dangerous than your average drunk driver who blows .1. Within those two populations there's going to be considerable variability.

Not getting it- they stoned them to the limit, and stoned them again.  What it says there is no weed equivalent of a 2X or 3X drunk driver- and for sure not someone on a blackout.

Don't get me wrong- no one should drive on even heavy cough medicine- but the time of demonizing weed is over- the kids have figured it out that it is not really a big deal. 

What a waste of resources to lock them up and screw their life

[EVT1]

Haven't our last three presidents smoked some weed- and you can't tell me Ronnie didn't have a toke or two either....Into freaking astrology- and the religious right gave him a pass on that one? 

Raise the stakes- the last two did coke- and I'd call it a safe bet the cigar twat stuffer did some coke too- and so what- when the job started out it was available at the local grocery.  In other words everything was marginally OK until we decided on a drug war and the DEA- so now a bunch of sadistic killers run things- nice job!

[grits]

Some things were accepted but not socially okay. Later, they became illegal. Injuries from the Civil War turned many into drug addicts. A lot of the idle rich used opiates.

 I have seen too many lives destroyed, and even people killed by hard drug users. A friend's daughter was hit head on by an idiot who was on coke. He went up the exit ramp of the interstate, and she was killed. He got off with a few minor injuries, and a couple of years in prison.

I was hit from behind by a known crack head.  He got a ticket for speeding, and not stopping. I got permanent injuries, unending pain, and am becoming disabled.

[EVT1]

My first dead friend was when I was 15 and he used a friend's 12 gauge for breakfast.

[grits]

My first dead friend was when I was 11, and he had leukemia.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 3, 2014 23:07:09 GMT -5 grits said:

Some things were accepted but not socially okay. Later, they became illegal. Injuries from the Civil War turned many into drug addicts. A lot of the idle rich used opiates.

 I have seen too many lives destroyed, and even people killed by hard drug users. A friend's daughter was hit head on by an idiot who was on coke. He went up the exit ramp of the interstate, and she was killed. He got off with a few minor injuries, and a couple of years in prison.

I was hit from behind by a known crack head.  He got a ticket for speeding, and not stopping. I got permanent injuries, unending pain, and am becoming disabled.

i am sorry for your troubles, but i still want pot legalized.

[steff]

If the government does legalize pot, you can see some heavy duty regulation, taxation, and who knows what else down the road for it.

I could always grow my own. 

[tallguy]

Yes, Pot Can Kill You

Absolutely!  On the first day of legalization in Colorado they had 37 deaths.  37!

link

I know some people will doubt, but it has to be true.  If you can't trust a Maryland police chief, who can you trust?

link

Oh.  Okay.  Never mind.   

[sesfw]

but i still want pot legalized.


Why?

I want good thoughtful reasons.  Not because 'it feels good'.
 

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 4, 2014 10:07:47 GMT -5 sesfw said:

but i still want pot legalized.


Why?

I want good thoughtful reasons.  Not because 'it feels good'.

The usual reasons are tax revenues, fewer hassles for medicinal users, and freeing up the justice system to pursue other (more destructive) crimes.

In short, the same reasons you might legalize any vice.