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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 8, 2014 18:00:22 GMT -5
I also wonder whether there is a limit on just how much to ask for. I am the type that does a lot myself. If my charger is downstairs, I'll go get it. DW is the type who, if her charger is downstairs, she will ask me to go get it. When she says "can you" or my name in a certain tone; I know its going to be followed by a request. I'll do it sometimes, but other times I instantly say "hold on" or "no" because I am not a damn butler. I don't mind helping if she needs help. I mind being asked to get up and get something that is closer to her than to me.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 9, 2014 9:35:03 GMT -5
This is bugging me because I can sometimes make a pretty decent half-assed guess depending on some of the sentence structure, word usage, etc. However you are messing me up because you are fluent in three languages and apparently have mastered English very well (not easy for someone who was not raised in it). We can rule out French, English, and Spanish. I could throw out German based on some things you've mentioned on how you were raised, but then again - just totally guessing. My English is no different from yours. I was raised in the States, my brothers went to pee-wee, I was in the Brownies and then Girl Scouts. I grew up watching the Cosby show and eating Skittles. If you noticed anything odd about my English, I would think you were reaching. I took the regional dialect test not too long ago, and it placed me point blank where I grew up. You could never guess what my mother tongue is from my English. The only possible difference in my English is that my grammar is probably better than most. I find it really odd that you would rule out German. Explain yourself please. The fact that your English was better than most is what was throwing me off. I know people who came here at age 10, speak English very well, yet occasionally use sentence structure which gives a hint as to a different mother tongue. As you indicated - you don't demonstrate any of that - which is why I was confused. The reason I ruled out German was only from personal experience. My maternal great grandparents came from Germany - and I remember my Grandfather telling me his mother would scold his Dad - "We are American now, speak English!". As a result that mother tongue was lost in less than one generation. Grandpa told me it was the same for all the immigrants in his neighborhood. Now just a small sample size in a small part of the country but my friends who have parents who came from Germany (my peers - first generation) don't speak German. In fact, I don't know anyone who kept German past one generation. I know folks who speak Italian, Spanish, Hindi, Punjabi, and French who have kept multi-lingual for several generations, but no German. That's the only reason for my guess.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -5
I taught PE in Florida and I was amazed at the amount of kids who couldn't swim. To me that is so dangerous. Plus, it isolates kids from various outings and parties. But I can't swim and I have lived on the water, snorkled, and boated. But I always wear or have very close, a life vest. My kids think its funny that I can't swim. On the other hand, I can float and DDs swim instructor said she never had a kid drown that could float!
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 9, 2014 11:04:49 GMT -5
This is bugging me because I can sometimes make a pretty decent half-assed guess depending on some of the sentence structure, word usage, etc. However you are messing me up because you are fluent in three languages and apparently have mastered English very well (not easy for someone who was not raised in it). We can rule out French, English, and Spanish. I could throw out German based on some things you've mentioned on how you were raised, but then again - just totally guessing. My English is no different from yours. I was raised in the States, my brothers went to pee-wee, I was in the Brownies and then Girl Scouts. I grew up watching the Cosby show and eating Skittles. If you noticed anything odd about my English, I would think you were reaching. I took the regional dialect test not too long ago, and it placed me point blank where I grew up. You could never guess what my mother tongue is from my English. The only possible difference in my English is that my grammar is probably better than most. I find it really odd that you would rule out German. Explain yourself please. Actually, yours is far more formal than what the rest of us type here. Most of us type in conversational dialect whereas i find your posts to be almost snootily academic. I can certainly write that way as I have a BS in English and writing and am in a profession which requires me to write on a daily basis. But, that's not the purpose of this board and I want a conversational voice not a formal one in my posts. So, I don't know if you only write in English that way or you speak it that way also. When a few weeks ago you shared, I was glad to find out that English is not your first language because it stopped my impression that you were pompous and changed my perception of you immensely. I mean no derisiveness, just an observation.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 9, 2014 11:08:09 GMT -5
1) I need to mop 1500 sf of hard wood floors this morning so I don't feel like explaining our division of labor. I'll just say that DH does a lot of daily stuff and all of the yard. I do a lot of daily stuff and all of the deep cleaning. It's probably him who does more. We both work at least 50 hours a week.
2) our public schools start swimming lesson at first grade because we live on the coast.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 15:35:08 GMT -5
My English is no different from yours. I was raised in the States, my brothers went to pee-wee, I was in the Brownies and then Girl Scouts. I grew up watching the Cosby show and eating Skittles. If you noticed anything odd about my English, I would think you were reaching. I took the regional dialect test not too long ago, and it placed me point blank where I grew up. You could never guess what my mother tongue is from my English. The only possible difference in my English is that my grammar is probably better than most. I find it really odd that you would rule out German. Explain yourself please. Actually, yours is far more formal than what the rest of us type here. Most of us type in conversational dialect whereas i find your posts to be almost snootily academic. I can certainly write that way as I have a BS in English and writing and am in a profession which requires me to write on a daily basis. But, that's not the purpose of this board and I want a conversational voice not a formal one in my posts. So, I don't know if you only write in English that way or you speak it that way also. When a few weeks ago you shared, I was glad to find out that English is not your first language because it stopped my impression that you were pompous and changed my perception of you immensely. I mean no derisiveness, just an observation. Actually, I swear and do use conversational English a lot on these forums. If I start debating, I might slip into more formal English, but it's more because I spent a very long time in academia. It's not snooty. I'm often tying on my phone while breastfeeding. It takes me zero effort to put a coherent sentence together. I could be drunk and still write a coherent 10-page paper in less than two hours. Like I said, it's not me trying. It's just me. And if you noticed, I have a lot of typos and missed words, because I am typing too fast, and I don't care if someone judges my grammar or whatever. Given the quality of English found on most forums, it never occurred to me to care how I wrote. The other explanation is that I no longer use English on a daily basis. So I read a lot in English. And I moved to the States when I was a toddler. There is absolutely no difference between my English and the average American's English, except that my written English is probably better than most.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 9, 2014 15:58:40 GMT -5
Probably not true. Bilingual people tend to have better vocabularies, follow grammar rules more carefully, and are just generally more aware of their written and spoken words. People who only speak one language take it for granted and turn into total slobs. The fact that you have a mother tongue changes your perception of the English language and how you use it. Maybe not in very noticeable ways, but it's there.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 16:29:19 GMT -5
True in general, but I think it's more related to my education than anything else. I worked with some bilingual youth for volunteer work.
They spoke Spanish and English. They often spoke both languages poorly.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 16:50:54 GMT -5
My English is no different from yours. I was raised in the States, my brothers went to pee-wee, I was in the Brownies and then Girl Scouts. I grew up watching the Cosby show and eating Skittles. If you noticed anything odd about my English, I would think you were reaching. I took the regional dialect test not too long ago, and it placed me point blank where I grew up. You could never guess what my mother tongue is from my English. The only possible difference in my English is that my grammar is probably better than most. I find it really odd that you would rule out German. Explain yourself please. The fact that your English was better than most is what was throwing me off. I know people who came here at age 10, speak English very well, yet occasionally use sentence structure which gives a hint as to a different mother tongue. As you indicated - you don't demonstrate any of that - which is why I was confused. The reason I ruled out German was only from personal experience. My maternal great grandparents came from Germany - and I remember my Grandfather telling me his mother would scold his Dad - "We are American now, speak English!". As a result that mother tongue was lost in less than one generation. Grandpa told me it was the same for all the immigrants in his neighborhood. Now just a small sample size in a small part of the country but my friends who have parents who came from Germany (my peers - first generation) don't speak German. In fact, I don't know anyone who kept German past one generation. I know folks who speak Italian, Spanish, Hindi, Punjabi, and French who have kept multi-lingual for several generations, but no German. That's the only reason for my guess. I was just thinking about this. And I think it must have been because of the high anti-German sentiment after WWI and II. A lot of Germans anglicized their last names and tried to immerse quickly by always speaking English and made an active effort to hide their German origins. Whereas prior to the world wars, the German community made very little effort to learn English. Case in point, bilingual education in Wisconsin (German and English).
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 9, 2014 21:17:08 GMT -5
That's fine. I can revert to perceiving you as snooty.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry that you feel that using proper grammar is snooty.
It's also a unfortunate thinking that I have seen in underserved and disadvantaged areas where I have volunteered.
Fwiw, with one exception where I made a joke about someone's grammar on this forum. I don't IRL or on forums correct anyone's grammar or vocabulary.
But I honestly think that you probably got the impression that i was snooty from the content of my posts and not my English because there are a lot of posters who write well too.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 9, 2014 22:34:48 GMT -5
Interesting deflection and fake, ridiculous apology. I have a degree in English and writing. I have a teaching license for elementary school and middle school language arts and spent a decade--in part--propogating proper grammar. I do not, ever, find proper grammar snooty. It's your voice, tone, impression that is gives me the perception that you are a snob. When you announced that English was not your first language and was not the language in which you regularly converse, I adapted my perception of you to be not pompous but that of someone who was not used to writing and/or conversing in English. You have decided that is not that case and that my original perception is correct. Thank you for the clarification. I was truly trying to point out how I found you off-putting in an attempt to be helpful, but since you've decided to insult me, I'll decline to continue this particular conversation. Good night.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 23:03:04 GMT -5
When I said that I was sorry. I wasn't apologizing to you. It was your attitude that I found unfortunate.
Since You had trouble understanding what I wrote, I was trying to say that it wasn't my English that was snooty. that it was ME that was snooty.
I'm glad that you finally understand now.
And I love the fake maturity! I "decline" to continue the conversation. oh brother!
please! great, now I can have the last word. Because unlike you, I am completely aware of my defaults as a human being.
Add to my list of faults: immaturity.
And as far as snooty goes, I'm not the one who just put up my résumé to prove something. Just saying!
I'm truly laughing my ass off.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 9, 2014 23:07:52 GMT -5
oh yes and how you think a normal person wouldn't find this insulting is truly deranged.
" I was truly trying to point out how I found you off-putting in an attempt to be helpful,"
Who insulted who first?
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2014 7:46:02 GMT -5
Oh FFS ladies can we stop sniping at each other and get back to bashing those who (whom?) do not share in the housework equally?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 10, 2014 8:02:21 GMT -5
Oh FFS ladies can we stop sniping at each other and get back to bashing those who (whom?) do not share in the housework equally? Are you kidding this is a brand new topic for bashing, unlike all others that we bashed to death around here.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 10, 2014 8:07:14 GMT -5
Oh FFS ladies can we stop sniping at each other and get back to bashing those who (whom?) do not share in the housework equally? Are you kidding this is a brand new topic for bashing, unlike all others that we bashed to death around here. Not really. I remember KineticKid making arrogant statements about those of us who didn't use perfect grammar/punctuation or had typos in our posts. How she judged us as her intellectual inferiors. From that day my mission became pointing out each of her typos...and there were a LOT!lol
So there have always been perceptions of people based on their posting style and because of their attitudes. It is was make posting here interesting.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 10, 2014 8:21:08 GMT -5
Are you kidding this is a brand new topic for bashing, unlike all others that we bashed to death around here. Not really. I remember KineticKid making arrogant statements about those of us who didn't use perfect grammar/punctuation or had typos in our posts. How she judged us as her intellectual inferiors. From that day my mission became pointing out each of her typos...and there were a LOT!lol
So there have always been perceptions of people based on their posting style and because of their attitudes. It is was make posting here interesting.
Hmmm....that's all I am going to say for right now until I improve my English. Who knew I wasn't just being judged on my bitchiness, but also on my grammar....
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2014 8:24:32 GMT -5
Actually whoisjohngalt I judge you on you lame avatars - I mean can't you come up with something more creative?
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 10, 2014 8:27:10 GMT -5
It's funny how this thread has completely devolved. I never mentioned anything about judging people's grammar or English. The PP's comment was just so random. But I have to admit I have enjoyed this thread a lot, I hope that Underwater comes back to play.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2014 8:29:07 GMT -5
Threads tend to do that sometimes. I have to admit I also enjoy it when the train flies off the tracks!
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 10, 2014 8:29:20 GMT -5
Not really. I remember KineticKid making arrogant statements about those of us who didn't use perfect grammar/punctuation or had typos in our posts. How she judged us as her intellectual inferiors. From that day my mission became pointing out each of her typos...and there were a LOT!lol
So there have always been perceptions of people based on their posting style and because of their attitudes. It is was make posting here interesting.
Hmmm....that's all I am going to say for right now until I improve my English. Who knew I wasn't just being judged on my bitchiness, but also on my grammar.... But you really can't win, if your English is too formal, then you'll be judged for being a snooty bitch. It's about finding the right voice and tone.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 10, 2014 8:30:23 GMT -5
Actually whoisjohngalt I judge you on you lame avatar s - I mean can't you come up with something more creative? I've only had ONE! I should probably start judging you on your memory AND your grammar
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 10, 2014 8:57:29 GMT -5
Not really. I remember KineticKid making arrogant statements about those of us who didn't use perfect grammar/punctuation or had typos in our posts. How she judged us as her intellectual inferiors. From that day my mission became pointing out each of her typos...and there were a LOT!lol
So there have always been perceptions of people based on their posting style and because of their attitudes. It is was make posting here interesting.
Hmmm....that's all I am going to say for right now until I improve my English. Who knew I wasn't just being judged on my bitchiness, but also on my grammar.... No worries...I only judge you on your bitchiness
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 9:01:45 GMT -5
More is better, right?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 10, 2014 9:12:12 GMT -5
Hmmm....that's all I am going to say for right now until I improve my English. Who knew I wasn't just being judged on my bitchiness, but also on my grammar.... No worries...I only judge you on your bitchiness whew!! I KNEW you were a friend
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 10, 2014 9:19:01 GMT -5
Come back to play? I never left. I watched Downton Abbey and went to bed. rainy, I was totally mocking you with my last post. If I have to explain it, the humor wasn't conveyed in the first place. I will if you want, but I don't wish to engage with this anymore. Or, as Lena put it--I'm bored with this. I have no issue with you having the last word. It's Monday, which means I have to go work soon. Actually, I have to take a child to the dentist and then go to work. And then to a board meeting. Sigh. It'll be a long week, and I won't be here much at all. I hope everyone has a great week and ethically yet in their favor balances their workload with their family members.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2014 9:23:01 GMT -5
Actually whoisjohngalt I judge you on you lame avatar s - I mean can't you come up with something more creative? I've only had ONE! I should probably start judging you on your memory AND your grammar What were we talking about again?
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 10, 2014 11:37:58 GMT -5
Come back to play? I never left. I watched Downton Abbey and went to bed. rainy, I was totally mocking you with my last post. If I have to explain it, the humor wasn't conveyed in the first place. I will if you want, but I don't wish to engage with this anymore. Or, as Lena put it--I'm bored with this. I have no issue with you having the last word. It's Monday, which means I have to go work soon. Actually, I have to take a child to the dentist and then go to work. And then to a board meeting. Sigh. It'll be a long week, and I won't be here much at all. I hope everyone has a great week and ethically yet in their favor balances their workload with their family members. Oh, that's a shame! Because I can be highly entertaining. You sound pretty disingenuous now though saying that you were joking earlier, because there was no mocking that could have been picked up from your second-to-last post, you sounded pretty worked up. But now, can I consider you having left the playground? I wish you a wonderful day too!
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