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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 14, 2014 22:00:03 GMT -5
Once, in the cub scouts, I was involved in a food fight on a camping trip that included thrown marshmellows and hot dogs. I was in fear for my life. One kid escalated it to include a sling shot. The den leader disarmed him, at considerable personal risk. Thank god that den leaders have not lost their constititional rights to carry demerit books!
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vandalshandle
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 14, 2014 22:02:32 GMT -5
""The jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs"
Yes, Nelson Mandela and MLK were serious discipline problems.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 14, 2014 23:17:01 GMT -5
Just to add this on the Jordan Davis case- missed this I guess- but this idiot (Dunn- the shooter) sent some very interesting mail: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/jordan-davis-shooter-michael-dunn_n_4123805.html " The jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these (expletive) idiots, when they're threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior" "I'm really not prejudiced against race, but I have no use for certain cultures. This gangster-rap, ghetto talking thug 'culture' that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. They espouse violence and disrespect towards women. The black community here in Jacksonville is in an uproar against me -- the three other thugs that were in the car are telling stories to cover up their true "colors." "I am amazed at what is going on with the way the media has been covering this case. Their [sic] have been several other shootings here in Jacksonville, yet they are all either black-on-black or black-on-white, and none of them have garnered any attention from the media. I guess it's news when someone dares to not to be a victim, but they are twisting it around sand saying I was the "bad guy." "I'm not getting much in the way of sympathy from the press. They're a bunch of liberal bastards! ... They seem to have a lot of racial guilt, or at least the prosecutors [sic] office does. The jail here is almost all black prisoners. You'd think Jacksonville was 90-90% black judging by the makeup of the folks in jail here! ... My fear is that if I get 1 black on my jury it will be a mistrial as I am convinced they will be racially biased." And I am a racist  What part of anything you say may be used against you in a court of law did this genius miss? Drunk guy shoots up a car full of black kids over a loud stereo and flees the scene- yet he is pissed he gets no sympathy from the liberal bastard press. If this guy walks FL needs to be sold to the highest bidder and we need to put up a fence. Kind of sounds like a few posters with his rants. Quite uncanny. I'm not sure the details of this particular case, but I'm interested in what you see as incorrect about the above bolded statements?  All context. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 15, 2014 9:20:30 GMT -5
Yes the lawyer is going to use any stupid defense he can some up with. While I'd like to think any issues from being a soldier would have come up by now, if he is starting to show signs of dementia or something similar it could bring those issues back up in his mind. I don't like rudeness, but shouldn't killing not be acceptable no matter how rude some one is? It could have been the last straw...if this old guy is anything like me, he witnesses constant rude behavior by people throughout the day (especially those with digital devices). It could have been he had put up with several other texting/cell phone using douchebags that day and one more pushed him over the edge (albeit, still a rather short fuse in this instance). And what would have been a reasonable yet satisfying response to one more rude person in his day would have been to have the young guy arrested when he assaulted the old guy by throwing a bag of popcorn at him during the altercation. The old guy could have totally ruined the texter's year and still enjoyed his movie in his smugness. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 15, 2014 9:46:00 GMT -5
Interesting... This is not the old guy's first obsession with a texter in a movie theater. www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1During Reeves' first court appearance on Tuesday, prosecutors said they had heard from another theater patron who said the 71-year-old former Tampa cop saw her texting and "glared at her the entire time throughout the movie" during a screening about three weeks ago.
When the woman got up to use the restroom, Reeves followed her and "made her very uncomfortable," prosecutors said.
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Post by grits on Jan 15, 2014 13:45:41 GMT -5
You know good and well that it was racist. Race should have never been mentioned in that discussion at all. It was about a retired cop shooting someone at a theater. In the example you mentioned to try to smoke screen, if the prosecution, and police fail to properly present their case, it is their fault someone gets off. In my 34+ years of serving on juries, I have seen some dumb police work, dumb prosecutors, and dumb judges. I have also seen some dumb defendants, and defense attorneys. Not once, have I ever witnessed a single racist or sexist act or remark. How do you get 34 years of jury duty? Wow. Might want to look into that. You do not have to witness anything- prejudice is not racism. When deciding a self-defense case, there usually comes a point when the question is whether someone was in reasonable fear- and a shitload of white people fear black people. It is what it is. That is a stereotype, and racist. it is no more appropriate than it would be for a member of the clan to make a generalized statement about African-Americans concerning people who are of another racial background. If it is that bad where you live, you should move. Open your eyes to the real world. Move somewhere that allows anyone to buy a home in any neighborhood as long as they can afford it. |
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 16, 2014 8:00:23 GMT -5
How do you get 34 years of jury duty? Wow. Might want to look into that. You do not have to witness anything- prejudice is not racism. When deciding a self-defense case, there usually comes a point when the question is whether someone was in reasonable fear- and a shitload of white people fear black people. It is what it is. That is a stereotype, and racist. it is no more appropriate than it would be for a member of the clan to make a generalized statement about African-Americans concerning people who are of another racial background. If it is that bad where you live, you should move. Open your eyes to the real world. Move somewhere that allows anyone to buy a home in any neighborhood as long as they can afford it. No it isn't- it is the truth and stats prove it. If you don't think there are a lot of racist white people, then you live in a bubble- or at least you do not live in the south. They wind up on juries. In that next case in FL- all it will take is one of them to set a racist murderer free- someone that feel just like he does about the 'thugs'. What should be a slam dunk case is anything but in FL- and that is sad. Now the big question- how do you tie that into things being bad where I live? I am not in FL- and our state does a good job (so far) of putting away murderers. The only difference here is that if you claim self defense you better be able to prove it- unlike FL where 'fear' seems to be enough of a reason to start shooting and will be enough if the prosecution cannot disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 16, 2014 8:41:18 GMT -5
Skimming thru the posts I did not see anything this. Almost every day there is a news story about police beating, tasing or shooting for much less than having something thrown at them. I thought they were reaching for a weapon, They made an aggressive move, I feared for my life. Maybe he still thought he was a cop. The difference is now he no longer has the Blue Brotherhood standing behind him. Another note, Every time some one on this board slams the NRA, I make a contribution to the NRA. SO JUST STOP IT, I'm running out of money. |
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 16, 2014 19:15:24 GMT -5
Skimming thru the posts I did not see anything this. Almost every day there is a news story about police beating, tasing or shooting for much less than having something thrown at them. I thought they were reaching for a weapon, They made an aggressive move, I feared for my life. Maybe he still thought he was a cop. The difference is now he no longer has the Blue Brotherhood standing behind him. Another note, Every time some one on this board slams the NRA, I make a contribution to the NRA. SO JUST STOP IT, I'm running out of money. I know that I should not smarten you up on this, but the truth is that most liberals are well aware of the Rigt wing businesses of taking money from those that identify with the NRA, Palin, the religious Right, Glenn Beck, Rush, Coulter, the Duck Dynasty, and the like. For the most part, we feel that seperating Right wingers from their money is a good thing. So, the NRA sucks! Write them a check! They need it for their next PR campaign! |
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 16, 2014 20:02:19 GMT -5
The NRA sells fear and exists as the fund raising arm of the industry lobby. So that's two checks you can write |
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Post by grits on Jan 16, 2014 20:22:07 GMT -5
That is a stereotype, and racist. it is no more appropriate than it would be for a member of the clan to make a generalized statement about African-Americans concerning people who are of another racial background. If it is that bad where you live, you should move. Open your eyes to the real world. Move somewhere that allows anyone to buy a home in any neighborhood as long as they can afford it. No it isn't- it is the truth and stats prove it. If you don't think there are a lot of racist white people, then you live in a bubble- or at least you do not live in the south. They wind up on juries. In that next case in FL- all it will take is one of them to set a racist murderer free- someone that feel just like he does about the 'thugs'. What should be a slam dunk case is anything but in FL- and that is sad. Now the big question- how do you tie that into things being bad where I live? I am not in FL- and our state does a good job (so far) of putting away murderers. The only difference here is that if you claim self defense you better be able to prove it- unlike FL where 'fear' seems to be enough of a reason to start shooting and will be enough if the prosecution cannot disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't even live in the states where the issues you are ranting and raving about took place. All you know is what you want to blast away about. Your remark about the south shows that you have your own pre-conceived hate filled ideas. I do indeed live in the South. I live in a city of 20k. Less than 20% of the voters are non-white. Yet almost 20 years ago we elected the first female mayor who also happened to be an African-American lady. I have known her for almost 30 years. She served more than one term. She was well respected, and got things done. She had to get off the council for a certain number of years because we have term limits in our city charter. Two years ago, she ran for the council again, and was soundly reelected. Now, as far as white people fearing like you state, in 1992 I was attacked by an African-American man who tried to kill me. He tried to strangle me. I fought back, and caused so much of a ruckus that he ran off. Do I fear people of other races? No I don't. I am leery around white supremacists, thugs, gangs, drug heads, and prejudiced people who rant about prejudice, and can't even see the prejudice in themselves. As far as your studies go, anybody can taint a poll or study to give the results that they want. Polling 1k people about an issue means nothing.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 16, 2014 23:56:26 GMT -5
No it isn't- it is the truth and stats prove it. If you don't think there are a lot of racist white people, then you live in a bubble- or at least you do not live in the south. They wind up on juries. In that next case in FL- all it will take is one of them to set a racist murderer free- someone that feel just like he does about the 'thugs'. What should be a slam dunk case is anything but in FL- and that is sad. Now the big question- how do you tie that into things being bad where I live? I am not in FL- and our state does a good job (so far) of putting away murderers. The only difference here is that if you claim self defense you better be able to prove it- unlike FL where 'fear' seems to be enough of a reason to start shooting and will be enough if the prosecution cannot disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't even live in the states where the issues you are ranting and raving about took place. All you know is what you want to blast away about. Your remark about the south shows that you have your own pre-conceived hate filled ideas. I do indeed live in the South. I live in a city of 20k. Less than 20% of the voters are non-white. Yet almost 20 years ago we elected the first female mayor who also happened to be an African-American lady. I have known her for almost 30 years. She served more than one term. She was well respected, and got things done. She had to get off the council for a certain number of years because we have term limits in our city charter. Two years ago, she ran for the council again, and was soundly reelected. Now, as far as white people fearing like you state, in 1992 I was attacked by an African-American man who tried to kill me. He tried to strangle me. I fought back, and caused so much of a ruckus that he ran off. Do I fear people of other races? No I don't. I am leery around white supremacists, thugs, gangs, drug heads, and prejudiced people who rant about prejudice, and can't even see the prejudice in themselves. As far as your studies go, anybody can taint a poll or study to give the results that they want. Polling 1k people about an issue means nothing.
I live in the south. I don't care who your town elected. And 'as far as my studies go' I have multiple degrees-the second of which was criminology- and a major component was statistics. Whatever you might think about the legal system, or your personal experience, the facts reside on my side. Why haven't you attacked my avatar as racist? |
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Post by tallguy on Jan 23, 2014 2:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 23, 2014 7:17:46 GMT -5
Some people, my own DD included, think nothing of irritating others with their behavior. They think nothing of it and are shocked when its pointed out its rude. Then try to argue with you that it isn't. I find it interesting that this "other couple" now has come forward and don't believe their story at all. If its true, they are seriously at fault here as well. If someone showed me a gun or threatened me in any way, I don't just leave and do or say nothing. I tell someone. If I can't find the manager, I call the cops. They eventually might show up if you mention the word GUN. Not excusing the perp but pointing out holes in the story that a rational person might question. The perp does seem to have just been looking for an excuse to show someone a lesson. It's an awful thing. Oh, btw, thanks for moving my over a week old post. |
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 7, 2014 21:37:22 GMT -5
abcnews.go.com/US/bail-deadly-movie-theater-shooting/story?id=22419822No bail- and the killer admission- no pun intended Reeves said he regretted the shooting immediately. "As soon as I pulled the trigger, I said, 'Oh, this is stupid,'" he said in the tape. "There's no justification for what happened in there. If I had to do it over again, it would have never happened. We would have moved." Very true- but as predicted (by me  ) : Reeves was arrested at the theater and charged. He is claiming self-defense. His lawyers previously said they planned to invoke Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law, added to that, under Florida law there are harsher penalties for those who attack people older than 65. And it is on video! The video shown in court today was grainy and hard to make out. The infrared camera showed Reeves leaning over his seat repeatedly, telling Oulson to turn his cellphone off. Nicole Oulson said her husband was texting the babysitter watching their young daughter. The video appears to show Oulson throw a container of popcorn at Reeves as well as Reeves sitting down and not moving after the shooting. Good thing Oulson is white or this case would be over in Flalalalalarida
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