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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 10:16:21 GMT -5
If old people can't contain their rage they should be put away where they can't harm the rest of us. And isn't it bad manners that causes most people to rage? Whether it's getting cut off in traffic, beat up, or getting your house broken into, it doesn't matter. Bad manners are at the root of most of our world's problems. Like I said, I am not condoning his shooting a man, but I can fully understand the rage that caused him to do it. The level of rage should be proportional to the irritant. In this case, it clearly was not. The ex-cop was/is a ticking time bomb. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 10:20:08 GMT -5
And isn't it bad manners that causes most people to rage? Whether it's getting cut off in traffic, beat up, or getting your house broken into, it doesn't matter. Bad manners are at the root of most of our world's problems. Like I said, I am not condoning his shooting a man, but I can fully understand the rage that caused him to do it. The level of rage should be proportional to the irritant. In this case, it clearly was not. The ex-cop was/is a ticking time bomb.  I'd actually understand it more if the texter had done something like cut the old guy off in traffic, which might be considered potentially dangerous. There's much more to the old guy's anger than one guy sending a text during a movie trailer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:33:50 GMT -5
I'm confused (I'm old, ya know). If the movie "began at 1:20" and the shooting happened at 1:30, how is that not 10 minutes into the movie? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:34:44 GMT -5
And isn't it bad manners that causes most people to rage? Whether it's getting cut off in traffic, beat up, or getting your house broken into, it doesn't matter. Bad manners are at the root of most of our world's problems. Like I said, I am not condoning his shooting a man, but I can fully understand the rage that caused him to do it. The level of rage should be proportional to the irritant. In this case, it clearly was not. The ex-cop was/is a ticking time bomb. Totally agree. The cop should have turned the guy into the management. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -5
The level of rage should be proportional to the irritant. In this case, it clearly was not. The ex-cop was/is a ticking time bomb. I'd actually understand it more if the texter had done something like cut the old guy off in traffic, which might be considered potentially dangerous. There's much more to the old guy's anger than one guy sending a text during a movie trailer. I agree. My OT point is that it's the bad manners, regardless, that are causing people to go postal. The texer (is that a word?) knew he was ticking the old guy off. Why couldn't he have just been polite enough to have taken his business into the lobby? |
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Post by jkapp on Jan 14, 2014 10:38:35 GMT -5
And isn't it bad manners that causes most people to rage? Whether it's getting cut off in traffic, beat up, or getting your house broken into, it doesn't matter. Bad manners are at the root of most of our world's problems. Like I said, I am not condoning his shooting a man, but I can fully understand the rage that caused him to do it. Yes, it does matter. One of those things is rude and potentially dangerous. The other two are crimes against person or property. They are different beasts. If a person cannot handle 'bad manners' so much that they fly into a gunt-toting rage at the first demonstration of bad manners (a text during a movie preview), the problem does not lie with the person showing bad manners, but rather with the person who's so full of angry vitriol that they cannot control themselves in average society. Except it wasn't the first demonstration...the old man asked the texter to quit several times and the 43 year old most likely blew him off (with more rudeness, no doubt). The way I see it, a rude prick was killed by a crazy old man...the prick is gone and the old man will probably go to jail. As cold as it sounds, I don't see society as any worse off...there's still plenty of both groups left to take their places in society. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 10:39:31 GMT -5
I'm confused (I'm old, ya know). If the movie "began at 1:20" and the shooting happened at 1:30, how is that not 10 minutes into the movie? No, there's always like 20 minutes of previews for other movies. |
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Post by jkapp on Jan 14, 2014 10:40:22 GMT -5
The level of rage should be proportional to the irritant. In this case, it clearly was not. The ex-cop was/is a ticking time bomb. Totally agree. The cop should have turned the guy into the management. It states the old man left for a while, so he might have done so (we don't know yet). So since the altercation got worse, then management probably refused to do anything about the issue. If so, I would say management plays a big part in the escalation of the event. |
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Post by justme on Jan 14, 2014 10:44:49 GMT -5
Any defense of rage, temporary insanity, SYG, et al went flying out the door the minute he LEFT walked all the way to his damned car to get his gun and then walk back. I'm not personally familiar with dementia so maybe it falls into that, but all the other reasons left when he took 5+ minutes to get to his car and 5+ minutes to get back to the theatre.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 14, 2014 10:47:50 GMT -5
I wish more theaters would have policies like the Alamo Drafthouse- where they will toss you out without a refund.
At least have a choice of screens- one for people that want to watch the movie, and the other for inconsiderate self-important jerks.
But sure it could be SYG- assuming he had a right to carry in the theater. All he has to claim is that he 'was in fear of great bodily harm'. Plus it is a bonus if the dead victim is black- that seems to help down there. SYG is the best thing to happen to the defense bar in a decade. Still haven't arrested that guy that shot the alzheimers patient- cuz he wuz scairt  That is an extremely racist remark that you made. It is without excuse. How is it racist? That's the facts in Florida SYG cases- maybe FL judges and juries are racist- how else do you explain it? |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 10:51:14 GMT -5
Yes, it does matter. One of those things is rude and potentially dangerous. The other two are crimes against person or property. They are different beasts. If a person cannot handle 'bad manners' so much that they fly into a gunt-toting rage at the first demonstration of bad manners (a text during a movie preview), the problem does not lie with the person showing bad manners, but rather with the person who's so full of angry vitriol that they cannot control themselves in average society. Except it wasn't the first demonstration...the old man asked the texter to quit several times and the 43 year old most likely blew him off (with more rudeness, no doubt). The way I see it, a rude prick was killed by a crazy old man...the prick is gone and the old man will probably go to jail. As cold as it sounds, I don't see society as any worse off...there's still plenty of both groups left to take their places in society. You're right in that the texter was asked to stop more than once in the 5-10 minutes between start time for previews and when he was killed. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 10:56:06 GMT -5
Totally agree. The cop should have turned the guy into the management. It states the old man left for a while, so he might have done so (we don't know yet). So since the altercation got worse, then management probably refused to do anything about the issue. If so, I would say management plays a big part in the escalation of the event. No. The angry guy is 100% responsible for his actions regardless of what management did or did not do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:59:42 GMT -5
I'm confused (I'm old, ya know). If the movie "began at 1:20" and the shooting happened at 1:30, how is that not 10 minutes into the movie? No, there's always like 20 minutes of previews for other movies. Got it. Thanks. However, does it really matter whether it was previews or the movie? Maybe the old guy wanted to enjoy the previews. He paid to enjoy it all. |
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Post by bean29 on Jan 14, 2014 11:01:56 GMT -5
I didn't see any reason for adding that little tidbit/comment either. Race wasn't even mentioned in the incident described in the OP. It was about a gun-happy theater-goer who was pissed at a bit of "noise" from someone texting. How loud could it have been - a few "pings"? - While inconsiderate to other patrons - it doesn't warrant being shot.one of the reasons we rarely go to theatres anymore too many people are assholes if you need your cell phone on, you shouldnt be in a theatre and texting back and forth is just plain fucking rude all the phone screens are so bright..... i understand the anger of the guy....i wouldnt have shot him...... but people with zero considerations for others sometimes get what is coming to them..... karma is a bitch Wow, just Wow. it was the previews not the actual movie. Karma is a bitch? For whatever reason the texting occured who made the guy God to decide what is and is not important. Theater Management would have been the appriopriate people to involve and they probably did not think it was important yet because the move had not started. When my 16 year old DD goes to a movie, I have been know to text her and ask when she will be home. It gives me a great deal of comfort to get a text back that the movie just ended and she is on her way home. I would hate to think that that kind of a text conversation would disturb someone so much that they would take out a gun and start shooting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:03:43 GMT -5
It states the old man left for a while, so he might have done so (we don't know yet). So since the altercation got worse, then management probably refused to do anything about the issue. If so, I would say management plays a big part in the escalation of the event. No. The angry guy is 100% responsible for his actions regardless of what management did or did not do. Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this? |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2014 11:03:57 GMT -5
Considering shots fired would have cause mass panic and then the following arrest I don't see how shooting someone allowed the old guy to enjoy the movie.  A logical rational response would have been complain to management and if they didn't do anything demand your money back. Sometimes they'll give you a free pass to come back and see the movie at a later date as well. Blowing someone's head off solved nothing. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:04:03 GMT -5
No, there's always like 20 minutes of previews for other movies. Got it. Thanks. However, does it really matter whether it was previews or the movie? Maybe the old guy wanted to enjoy the previews. He paid to enjoy it all. He also could have changed his seat or asked for a ticket(s) refund seeing the featured film had not yet started. He had non-violent options other than killing the guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:05:20 GMT -5
Yes, it does matter. One of those things is rude and potentially dangerous. The other two are crimes against person or property. They are different beasts. If a person cannot handle 'bad manners' so much that they fly into a gunt-toting rage at the first demonstration of bad manners (a text during a movie preview), the problem does not lie with the person showing bad manners, but rather with the person who's so full of angry vitriol that they cannot control themselves in average society. Except it wasn't the first demonstration...the old man asked the texter to quit several times and the 43 year old most likely blew him off (with more rudeness, no doubt). The way I see it, a rude prick was killed by a crazy old man...the prick is gone and the old man will probably go to jail. As cold as it sounds, I don't see society as any worse off...there's still plenty of both groups left to take their places in society. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:05:51 GMT -5
No, there's always like 20 minutes of previews for other movies. Got it. Thanks. However, does it really matter whether it was previews or the movie? Maybe the old guy wanted to enjoy the previews. He paid to enjoy it all. Hey, I like some movie trailers as much as the next movie fan (sometimes more!), but I give the other theater-goers a few minutes to settle down, stop talking and put away their phones when the pre-show advertising begins. Trailers are very, very secondary to the reason we're at the theater - the actual movie we paid for. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2014 11:06:44 GMT -5
Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this
Most people don't think texting warrants getting your head blown off. Apparently you disagree.
The guy was obnoxious yes. If the old guy had punched him or broken the cell phone he'd still be wrong but it wouldn't have been a big deal.
This guy took a life over TEXTING. The shooter's life is ruined because he decided texting warranted the use of deadly force.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:07:16 GMT -5
Considering shots fired would have cause mass panic and then the following arrest I don't see how shooting someone allowed the old guy to enjoy the movie. A logical rational response would have been complain to management and if they didn't do anything demand your money back. Sometimes they'll give you a free pass to come back and see the movie at a later date as well. Blowing someone's head off solved nothing.I'll bet it made the old guy feel a lot better.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:09:00 GMT -5
Considering shots fired would have cause mass panic and then the following arrest I don't see how shooting someone allowed the old guy to enjoy the movie. A logical rational response would have been complain to management and if they didn't do anything demand your money back. Sometimes they'll give you a free pass to come back and see the movie at a later date as well. Blowing someone's head off solved nothing.I'll bet it made the old guy feel a lot better. If so, he is more of a psychopath than I even thought. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:09:21 GMT -5
No. The angry guy is 100% responsible for his actions regardless of what management did or did not do. Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this? If this had just been a popcorn-throwing fistfight between two crazy guys, I'd accept the 'mitigating' factors as important. But when a retired police officer who has been trained to understand crime, gun violence, and the aftermath of both, brings a gun to a popcorn-fight, he has lost my sympathy for whatever possibly-valid reasons he initially had for being part of the problem. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:09:53 GMT -5
Considering shots fired would have cause mass panic and then the following arrest I don't see how shooting someone allowed the old guy to enjoy the movie.  |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2014 11:09:55 GMT -5
I'll bet it made the old guy feel a lot better.
Well I hope those feelings keep him warm in his jail cell. I hope it pays all his legal bills for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:10:01 GMT -5
I just hope I never end up in front of one of these crazy of gun toting maniacs when I have 13 items in the 12 items or fewer line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks. However, does it really matter whether it was previews or the movie? Maybe the old guy wanted to enjoy the previews. He paid to enjoy it all. Hey, I like some movie trailers as much as the next movie fan (sometimes more!), but I give the other theater-goers a few minutes to settle down, stop talking and put away their phones when the pre-show advertising begins. Trailers are very, very secondary to the reason we're at the theater - the actual movie we paid for. I think, as someone pointed out, it was the fact that the texter blew off the old guy's request to be polite and stop. Who here wouldn't get mad at something like that? For many old people, being disrespected like that, obviously sends them over the top. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:10:51 GMT -5
No. The angry guy is 100% responsible for his actions regardless of what management did or did not do. Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this? Seriously? There is zero excuse for what this guy did. None. The theater did not give the gun to the guy to help solve his 'problem'. we are solely responsible for our own behavior. Blaming others is a copout. It is like the domestic violence abuser claiming "She made me hit her." Would you partially blame the beaten partner? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:11:29 GMT -5
Hey, I like some movie trailers as much as the next movie fan (sometimes more!), but I give the other theater-goers a few minutes to settle down, stop talking and put away their phones when the pre-show advertising begins. Trailers are very, very secondary to the reason we're at the theater - the actual movie we paid for. I think, as someone pointed out, it was the fact that the texter blew off the old guy's request to be polite and stop. Who here wouldn't get mad at something like that? For many old people, being disrespected like that, obviously sends them over the top. Those old people should be put into homes and not allowed to interact with the general public. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:12:00 GMT -5
maybe....just maybe
the next asshole in a theatre will think about talking or texting on their phone
how many times does one have to be asked to cease and desist before the message gets through
sure....get up and move is an option
so is just leaving the theatre after paying to see a movie
lots of options....shooting the guy would not be in my top 1000 options
but i understand the frustration....and the anger of the absolute rudeness of the guy
not sure what i would have done.....
theatre managers dont take this stuff very seriously.....
fewer and fewer people paying to go to theatres now.....
so much easier to make my own popcorn, and watch a movie streamed in on our big tv
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