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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:12:01 GMT -5
I just hope I never end up in front of one of these crazy of gun toting maniacs when I have 13 items in the 12 items or fewer line. I worry about this when I am parked in the 10-minute parking space in front of the grocery store for more than 10 minutes... Who knows what the crazy people will think is justification? |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:13:11 GMT -5
Hey, I like some movie trailers as much as the next movie fan (sometimes more!), but I give the other theater-goers a few minutes to settle down, stop talking and put away their phones when the pre-show advertising begins. Trailers are very, very secondary to the reason we're at the theater - the actual movie we paid for. I think, as someone pointed out, it was the fact that the texter blew off the old guy's request to be polite and stop. Who here wouldn't get mad at something like that? For many old people, being disrespected like that, obviously sends them over the top. I have no problem with the guy getting mad. I'd have had no problem with him throwing the cellphone or hitting the guy. I do have a problem with his irrational and over-the-top response to kill the irritant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:13:42 GMT -5
Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this? If this had just been a popcorn-throwing fistfight between two crazy guys, I'd accept the 'mitigating' factors as important. But when a retired police officer who has been trained to understand crime, gun violence, and the aftermath of both, brings a gun to a popcorn-fight, he has lost my sympathy for whatever possibly-valid reasons he initially had for being part of the problem. After my mom had a stroke her personality completely changed. Maybe something like this happened to this old man. You young whippersnappers need to thread lightly with us old folks. We could easily snap at any moment.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:14:06 GMT -5
Considering shots fired would have cause mass panic and then the following arrest I don't see how shooting someone allowed the old guy to enjoy the movie.  A logical rational response would have been complain to management and if they didn't do anything demand your money back. Sometimes they'll give you a free pass to come back and see the movie at a later date as well. Blowing someone's head off solved nothing.I'll bet it made the old guy feel a lot better. For what-5 seconds until he realized he will die ìn prison? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:16:14 GMT -5
Why is it that no one seems to want to look at any of the mitigating factors that led up to this? Seriously? There is zero excuse for what this guy did. None. The theater did not give the gun to the guy to help solve his 'problem'. we are solely responsible for our own behavior. Blaming others is a copout. It is like the domestic violence abuser claiming "She made me hit her." Would you partially blame the beaten partner? I'm not saying the bad manners justified the shooting, only that had it not been for them none of it would have happened. |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:17:26 GMT -5
If this had just been a popcorn-throwing fistfight between two crazy guys, I'd accept the 'mitigating' factors as important. But when a retired police officer who has been trained to understand crime, gun violence, and the aftermath of both, brings a gun to a popcorn-fight, he has lost my sympathy for whatever possibly-valid reasons he initially had for being part of the problem. After my mom had a stroke her personality completely changed. Maybe something like this happened to this old man. You young whippersnappers need to thread lightly with us old folks. We could easily snap at any moment. If they determine that this guy had enough mental issues that killing seemed like an appropriate response to an annoyance, then I accept that outcome in the court of law. However, I've read nothing that indicates that such is the case so far. Perhaps I missed some of the news on that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:18:26 GMT -5
I'll bet it made the old guy feel a lot better. For what-5 seconds until he realized he will die ìn prison? Hey...free healthcare, 3 squares a day, buddies to play cards with and watch television...at his age, who knows, he might think it was worth it. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:18:38 GMT -5
Seriously? There is zero excuse for what this guy did. None. The theater did not give the gun to the guy to help solve his 'problem'. we are solely responsible for our own behavior. Blaming others is a copout. It is like the domestic violence abuser claiming "She made me hit her." Would you partially blame the beaten partner? I'm not saying the bad manners justified the shooting, only that had it not been for them none of it would have happened. You are excusing the shooter's ìnability to control his anger.  |
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 14, 2014 11:19:08 GMT -5
If the crazy old guy didn't have a gun the shooting wouldn't have happened either. Which sounds doable; making everyone be polite at all times, or taking guns away from old people?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:19:31 GMT -5
Seriously? There is zero excuse for what this guy did. None. The theater did not give the gun to the guy to help solve his 'problem'. we are solely responsible for our own behavior. Blaming others is a copout. It is like the domestic violence abuser claiming "She made me hit her." Would you partially blame the beaten partner? I'm not saying the bad manners justified the shooting, only that had it not been for them none of it would have happened. Perhaps, perhaps not. The guy was carrying around a gun and was willing to use it on average annoyances in his life. It could have been anything that set him off. What if he didn't like the ending of the movie he'd just paid good money to see? |
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 14, 2014 11:21:28 GMT -5
If a man can not kill a theater texter in a crowded theater with his own gun in this country, are we truely free?
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 14, 2014 11:25:59 GMT -5
It would have been enough for the retired law officer to show the texter his NRA card. That would have been enough to let him know that he was batshit crazy, and he had better find another seat if he wanted to see tomorrow.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2014 11:26:02 GMT -5
You young whippersnappers need to thread lightly with us old folks. We could easily snap at any moment
If you're going to escalate life's minor annoyances into a life/death situation I agree with Archie, you need to be committed. I hate texters at a movie, I hate cell phone camera flashes at concerts. But I'm not going to get up and start blowing people away at a TSO concert. That's not a rational reponse to the situation. Snatch the camera and step on it, maybe. But kill people over it? For fuck's sake it's a show/movie. It isn't worth rotting in prison over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:28:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying the bad manners justified the shooting, only that had it not been for them none of it would have happened. You are excusing the shooter's ìnability to control his anger. I, with respect, disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:30:20 GMT -5
You young whippersnappers need to thread lightly with us old folks. We could easily snap at any moment
If you're going to escalate life's minor annoyances into a life/death situation I agree with Archie, you need to be committed. I was joking Drama. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:30:49 GMT -5
You are excusing the shooter's ìnability to control his anger. I, with respect, disagree. Ditto. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:34:14 GMT -5
I, with respect, disagree. Ditto. Well, as long as we can agree on the elephants, I guess that's okay. Gotta run. Enjoyed the little debate. Have a good one. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 14, 2014 11:36:45 GMT -5
Well, as long as we can agree on the elephants, I guess that's okay. Gotta run. Enjoyed the little debate. Have a good one. You too.  |
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Post by workpublic on Jan 14, 2014 11:40:50 GMT -5
boy there's a dozy of a statement, cause as we all know every member of the NRA is "batshit crazy" ditto greenpeace, peta, the occupy folks and la raza, right? how about we relax the laws on slapping/fist fighting to relive some of the pressure in society? the influx and propagation of screw you, rude behavior is exacerbated by the aholes knowing that there is nothing that will be done to them most times. which is leading to more and more extremes like this  |
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 14, 2014 11:41:54 GMT -5
I know a man in my retirment community who is bi-polar. He is about 68 years old, and he terrifies a lot of people down here. Usually, he is ok, but if he goes off his meds, which happens frequently, ANYTHING can set him off. He once chased a man who cut him off in traffic for 15 miles. Nobody knows if he is armed, and nobody wants to be the one to find out. Down here, we have a recreation association that one is required to join when they buy a home. He can not be denied memebership in any of our 89 clubs; although if he got completely out of line, he could be banned from a particular club where it happened. This guy has to scramble to get a partner in Canasta or Bridge, because everyone avoids him. That makes him even angryer.
Yet, he can open carry in public anywhere he wants, except where forbidden on private property, and nobody can do a damned thing about it.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 11:42:45 GMT -5
Well, as long as we can agree on the elephants, I guess that's okay. Gotta run. Enjoyed the little debate. Have a good one. You too. Hey, look, people disagreed and no one got shot! That's how it's done. |
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2014 11:46:17 GMT -5
You aren't supposed to carry in a movie theater btw, which is why some people are sitting ducks when they go there.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2014 12:20:41 GMT -5
Btw, he shot someone else, too. She's in the hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 12:23:26 GMT -5
If the crazy old guy didn't have a gun the shooting wouldn't have happened either. Which sounds doable; making everyone be polite at all times, or taking guns away from old people? good luck with the 2nd one old timers can get pretty cranky when you try to take away their rights (guns) i would NOT want the job of trying to secure those weapons someone just might get their ass blown off |
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 12:24:48 GMT -5
Btw, he shot someone else, too. She's in the hospital. I read that it's the texter's spouse. That she put her hand out defensively toward her husband when the shooter shot at her husband and she was injured. |
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2014 12:41:34 GMT -5
Yes my understanding from the article is it went through her hand and
the bullet killed him. Hands are complicated things. I wonder how easy it will
be to repair or whether she will need to live with lifetime damage/loss of
use of her hand.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2014 13:04:57 GMT -5
That wasnt made clear in the Tampa report. Some say wife, some say girlfriend. Others say another person just sitting there. So, of course, DD who has a concealed like I do, is all up in arms about this since she texts in movies as well. OMG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:05:40 GMT -5
That wasnt made clear in the Tampa report. Some say wife, some say girlfriend. Others say another person just sitting there. So, of course, DD who has a concealed like I do, is all up in arms about this since she texts in movies as well. OMG. Tell her to shoot first. |
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2014 13:06:54 GMT -5
Not what she's upset about. This gives the govt more grounds to barge into citizens lives, for their own protection, of course.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 14, 2014 13:07:54 GMT -5
That wasnt made clear in the Tampa report. Some say wife, some say girlfriend. Others say another person just sitting there. So, of course, DD who has a concealed like I do, is all up in arms about this since she texts in movies as well. OMG. I don't believe it was just a person sitting there. All the reports I've read list the incident as taking place between "two couples". Wife or girlfriend, that makes no difference. |
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