Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

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"Just because you have not met anyone who was a follower of them does not mean they do not have "followers""

Zib didn't say followers. She basically said worshippers or uber fans.
My guess is they have some followers but Sharpton IMO gets press
the same reason Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson get press. The media
thinks crazy sells.


Again, does Zib or anyone have proof of such a devoted following as
she described? From what I can tell as a basically Internet only media
consumer Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's influence has been dropping for
years.

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Since I'm probably not going to get an answer, I figured I'd post
something I found which was a Rasmussen poll in 2012 that gave
Sharpton a somewhat favorable rating of 26% of which 8% was very favorable.
Error +/- 3% so his possible worshippers might come from a pool of 5%
of the population. Maybe.

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/people/april_2012/60_view_al_sharpton_unfavorably




Don't know what the attraction is to Duck Dynasty but luckily most
reality shows can not be viewed on the Internet. I prefer the shows
with actors that admit they are scripted versus 'reality' shows which
become less real generally the longer they are on the air. A heady mix
of faith, guns, and duck killing?

[Value Buy]

Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

Maybe, the idea of a common person, albeit, a college graduate, taking a hobby, hunting, and turning it into a multi-million dollar enterprise, involving his entire family, and the dynamics of extended families all staying together, interacting with each other.

Obviously, Phil hit the jackpot of doing what he liked, rather than working for the man.

Celebrating Life in the fly over states between NYC/D.C. and California, where American ideals still matter.

Either that, or just a good laugh at some southern rednecks expense.

[frankq]

Dec 31, 2013 3:44:58 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Dec 30, 2013 23:02:04 GMT -5 frankq said:

Thank you Jesse Jackson for delivering the ultimatum that shook ...........nobody! "


Does anyone actually know about this ultimatium besides you and Jesse?
Perhaps you could share a link with this ultimatium with the board?

Yeah, I think that anybody that has been watching a broadcast news program between 12/25 and 12/28 heard about the "demand to sit down with A&E, representatives of the gay organization that started this whole thing, and Cracker Barrel, and he demanded said meeting within 72 hours......72 hours came and went with no response to JJ from A&E. The announcement was then made that Phil would be back. Try CNN, CBS and CNBC.....But if you insist, here you go..

Rev. Jesse Jackson has gotten involved with the ongoing "Duck Dynasty" saga, demanding a meeting with A&E network executives and Cracker Barrel officials.

www.accessatlanta.com/weblogs/buzz/2013/dec/26/jesse-jackson-weighs-duck-dynasty/

Jesse Jackson Demands Meeting With A&E, Calls Phil Robertson “More Offensive” Than Rosa Parks' Bus Driver
Fox News (blog) ‎- 4 days ago

By: The Daily Mail Reverend Jesse Jackson has weighed in on the controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty, comparing Phil Robertson to the ...
Jesse Jackson calls 'Duck Dynasty' dad 'more offensive' than Rosa Parks' bus driver
Chicago Tribune‎ - 4 days ago

Jesse Jackson -- Phil Robertson Is WORSE Than Rosa Parks Bus Driver
TMZ.com‎ - 3 days ago

Jesse Jackson Demands Meeting With A&E to Discuss Duck ...
newsbusters.org › Blogs › Noel Sheppard's blog‎

4 days ago - I guess we should have expected this. According to a Christmas Day report at ABCNews.com, race hustler Jesse Jackson on Monday ...
Jesse Jackson Demands Meeting With A&E, Calls Phil Robertson ...
nation.foxnews.com/.../jesse-jackson-demands-meeting-ae-calls-phil-rob...‎

2 days ago - By: The Daily MailReverend Jesse Jackson has weighed in on the controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty, comparing Phil Robertson to the ...
Jesse Jackson demands meeting with A&E, Cracker Barrel ... - Twitchy
twitchy.com/.../jesse-jackson-demands-meeting-with-ae-cracker-barrel-e...‎

www.examiner.com/.../jesse-jackson-glaad-demand-meeting-with-a-e-cra...‎

So for the record do you at least agree that what he said was offensive when it came to the good ole days of slavery where the black people just sung songs while picking cotton for free? That he never saw mistreatment? That blacks were happy with the arrangement?

Just a coinicidence he used such terms as pre-entitlement, pre-welfare?

He's a racist and he follows that right wing element which is also racist.  Fine- all A&E had to say is we don't agree with this racist, I mean who would have thought some old white guy in the south could be a racist

It's a damn given- just like Paula Deen.  Old, white, south-  not being a racist is rare.  Most of my family is racist- though they do not think they are.  It is funny- the most obvious racists do not think they are racists.  Perfectly normal to lock your car door or clutch your purse when a black person is sighted

For the record. I agree that you are misstating the facts. Phil Robertson's comments about blacks working the fields DID NOT include anything about slavery. They included his personal observations made while working alongside of them . As far as mistreatment, how do you know what he saw? Were you there? He says that HE never saw mistreatment "with his own eyes' from the vantage point of self proclaimed "white trash" as he and his were viewed while he worked the fields side by side with those people. They worked hard and made do with what they had and counted their blessings because they were all in the same boat. Everyone was poor but they tried to live a reasonably happy life. That's what a lot of us did in the pre-Ipod, pre-cell phone, pre-color tv days.That's what it sounded like to me. Maybe you should re-read the actual quotes before you talk nonsense about the "good old days of slavery". Slavery ended 90+ years before I was born and I'm not too concerned about the happenings of the previous centuries. Get over it. And, again for the record, there is such a thing as pre-entitlement, pre-welfare in our history, and both of those programs are severely misused by many to say the least, including the people that we pay to work in those departments of government. People like Paula Deen, who by the way was never found to have done any of the things she was accused of because her accuser changed her story, grew up in a time and place that you have no concept of. There were many things that were considered "normal" way before you were born, and people have come long and far since then. All that happened there was that a lot of people lost their jobs when the dust settled. The bigger problem in this country is people like you who take an inch of fact and turn it into a country mile of misstatement and innuendo. You see what you want to see, not necessarily what is reality. Want to get a feel for the man? Read one of his books....

Perfectly normal to lock your car door or clutch your purse when a black person is sighted

The biggest killer of young blacks is other young blacks, not white people. Crime statistics are what they are. Do you think that African Americans who live in predominately black neighborhoods don't lock their doors? Just what does this statement mean? People lock their doors because crime happens.

As for Paula Deen.....

Paula Deen was the type of employer who allowed racially and sexually charged language to fly -- and even occasionally took part in it herself, according to earlier legal allegations made against the Queen of Southern Cooking.

But now, the woman who made those allegations against Paula Deen is singing a different tune.
In fact, the plaintiff is now singing Deen's praises, calling her a "woman of compassion and kindness" who would "never tolerate discrimination or racism."

Go here to read the statement in full. And, there was no financial consideration in this case, which was dropped.

www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-paula-deen-accuser-statement-20130823,0,1509652.story#ixzz2p4qA4J5Z

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Frank's URL didn't work for me, its moved.
www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-paula-deen-accuser-statement-20130823,0,1509652.story#axzz2p578pwGj

Both sides issued PR statements for public consumption so I'm not
sure how much I believe either one. Many cases settle out of court
and not sure if financial considerations ot other considerations
if they exist need to be disclosed.

Basically the accuser's public stmt says she didn't realize her complaints
never reached Paula Deen and Deen said the workplace issues will be looked
in to. The real story should have concerned the brother and actual workplace
issues but Paula Deen unfortunately generates more page views if they made it
about her.

[frankq]

Here you go. You just have to Google up Paula Deen accuser. There was NO financial settlement as previously stated:

And it is the statement released on behalf of Lisa Jackson, the plaintiff, that is raising eyebrows.

The statement says that Jackson learned during the course of litigation that Deen was unaware of issues going on in the restaurant where Jackson worked, and goes on to describe Deen as a "woman of compassion and kindness." Here is the statement in full:

"During a very difficult period in my life the Deen family gave me hope and the opportunity to work to build a brighter future for my family and me.

"I assumed that all of my complaints about the workplace environment were getting to Paula Deen, but I learned during this matter that this was not the case. The Paula Deen I have known for more than 8 years, is a woman of compassion and kindness and will never tolerate discrimination or racism of any kind toward anyone.

"I now know that the workplace environment issues that I raised are being reviewed and will in the future no longer be at issue.

"I wish Ms. Deen and her family all the best in all of their future endeavors and I am very pleased that this matter has now been resolved and can now be put behind us."

Jackson was not available to discuss this about-face. The Associated Press reported that a document filed in U.S. District Court in Savannah, Ga., said both sides agreed to drop the lawsuit "without any award of costs or fees to any party."


www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-paula-deen-accuser-statement-20130823,0,1509652.story#ixzz2p5Isvbhz

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Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

Over here we call them hillbillies. A lot of old world politeness mixed with long beards, long guns, and Christianity.  The hillbillies down here seldom watch the show because it's kind of like watching the neighbors home movies. Without the money. Does that help?

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"Here you go. You just have to Google up Paula Deen accuser. There was NO financial settlement as previously stated:
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I read it. There was no financial settlement as per the case and known to
the court. That doesn't mean there weren't some other deals made between
the two whether financial or helping her get her next position.

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Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

from my pov

honest down to earth folk who turned a hobby into a thriving business

their values, morals, and views are very apparent to viewers

something endearing about them.....hard to put my finger on exactly what it is

all i know is that i wouldnt mind having them for neighbors, or friends

and dont let the facade fool you.....these are not naive hillbillies

[frankq]

Dec 31, 2013 15:10:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

"Here you go. You just have to Google up Paula Deen accuser. There was NO financial settlement as previously stated:
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I read it. There was no financial settlement as per the case and known to
the court. That doesn't mean there weren't some other deals made between
the two whether financial or helping her get her next position.

Ok. Whatever.......She was accused, she must be guilty of a heinous race crime if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say so, in spite of the public statements her accuser made. I'm sure you guys think that a person should lose just about everything they have because, as she truthfully stated, decades ago, in the Deep South, when civil rights was in it's infancy, and the nation was a different place, she used the N-word........ Heinous indeed.. The fact is, Jackson didn't just make a simple retraction, she went out of her way to refute all of her previous comments in great detail. Maybe there was no case because ....there was no case to make? As for the brother, well at this point, I don't think we can give a whole lot of weight to anything Jackson has said at this point.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2013 12:32:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

Maybe, the idea of a common person, albeit, a college graduate, taking a hobby, hunting, and turning it into a multi-million dollar enterprise, involving his entire family, and the dynamics of extended families all staying together, interacting with each other.

Obviously, Phil hit the jackpot of doing what he liked, rather than working for the man.

Celebrating Life in the fly over states between NYC/D.C. and California, where American ideals still matter.

Either that, or just a good laugh at some southern rednecks expense.

what multi-million dollar enterprise?  forgive my ignorance.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2013 15:37:25 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

from my pov

honest down to earth folk who turned a hobby into a thriving business

their values, morals, and views are very apparent to viewers

something endearing about them.....hard to put my finger on exactly what it is

all i know is that i wouldnt mind having them for neighbors, or friends

and dont let the facade fool you.....these are not naive hillbillies

i don't judge people based on appearance.  some of the smartest people i know look like hicks.  and some of the biggest idiots i have ever met wear three piece suits.

[frankq]

what multi-million dollar enterprise? forgive my ignorance.

They make high end duck and deer calls as well as other hunting items. Their stuff is a big player in the outdoor world.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2014 11:47:53 GMT -5 frankq said:

what multi-million dollar enterprise? forgive my ignorance.

They make high end duck and deer calls as well as other hunting items. Their stuff is a big player in the outdoor world.

very cool!

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"Ok. Whatever.......She was accused, she must be guilty of a heinous race crime if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say so, in spite of the public statements her accuser made."

Please, get off the high horse. This statement and the ones following it have
nothing to do with my views on the matter. I simply don't believe Jackson
decided to take a bath on the whole lawsuit thing just because. Paula was not
involved in the day to day running of the restaurant according to both statements
& seems to have been unaware.

I missed however where she lost everything. Probably because she didn't.


I believe there were problems and my guess is somehow they settled out
of court agreeing to drop the lawsuit. Otherwise why would Paula even mention
they would look into operations, etc.?  I simply don't believe she dropped the lawsuit
and got absolutely nothing in return. You do.

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Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

Personally, I think that most of the people who watch it appreciate the fact that their own lack of education and taste does not necessarily condemn them to living in a single wide or shotgun house in the middle of a swamp...if they get lucky.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2014 13:57:10 GMT -5 vandalshandle said:

Dec 31, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, can anyone explain the attraction of Duck Dynasty to me?

Personally, I think that most of the people who watch it appreciate the fact that their own lack of education and taste does not necessarily condemn them to living in a single wide or shotgun house in the middle of a swamp...if they get lucky.

it's probably not quite the right lesson to take.  exceptional people come in all stripes, but that doesn't mean that everyone can become one.

not that i disagree with you.....

[Green Eyed Lady]

Do you think, then, that the Robertson's have a "lack of education"? 

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Jan 1, 2014 17:07:43 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Do you think, then, that the Robertson's have a "lack of education"? 

I don't think that "reality" has much to do with this, or any, reality show. Perception is what is being sold.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I watch the show because it's very funny.  Uncle Si cracks me up.  What someone sees as humorous is quite an individual thing.  For example, I can't set through an entire episode of Seinfeld.  I don't think it is funny in the least.  In addition, I like watching a show where the family appears to actually like one another and who shares my beliefs.  It all may be all for show, but that's true of TV in general.

Contrary to popular belief, almost ALL of the people I know who enjoy the show do, indeed, have high levels of education.  As for taste?  I guess that's an individual thing, too.  I think stiletto heels look stupid because most woman don't know how to walk in them.  Others think they are the epitome of class.  It's an individual thing.  Just because I don't find something classy or tasteful doesn't mean it isn't classy or tasteful. 

Normally, I wouldn't watch a show that centers on killing animals, but the family does eat what they kill.  So unless I'm willing to give up my steak, I guess that's sort of hypocritical.  One episode upset me.  They killed some beavers for damming up their waterway.  When you live off the land, as they did for a long time, I guess that's the way you protect your livelihood, but it still bothered me.

Whatever, I guess...but I'm willing to bet their "views" go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up! 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Jan 1, 2014 17:22:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 1, 2014 17:07:43 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Do you think, then, that the Robertson's have a "lack of education"? 

I don't think that "reality" has much to do with this, or any, reality show. Perception is what is being sold.

Perhaps, but that wasn't the question.  I was trying to determine if what I read was actually what was said, since I appear to have trouble figuring that out lately.  I "read" that people with no education like to watch a show where people with no education made it big....gives them hope or something.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...we have a high level of education and we crack up watching their shows...

[frankq]

Jan 1, 2014 12:21:11 GMT -5 Opti said:

"Ok. Whatever.......She was accused, she must be guilty of a heinous race crime if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say so, in spite of the public statements her accuser made."

Please, get off the high horse. This statement and the ones following it have
nothing to do with my views on the matter. I simply don't believe Jackson
decided to take a bath on the whole lawsuit thing just because. Paula was not
involved in the day to day running of the restaurant according to both statements
& seems to have been unaware.

I missed however where she lost everything. Probably because she didn't.


I believe there were problems and my guess is somehow they settled out
of court agreeing to drop the lawsuit. Otherwise why would Paula even mention
they would look into operations, etc.?  I simply don't believe she dropped the lawsuit
and got absolutely nothing in return. You do.

You've missed a lot. Her business is toast compared to what was as is her reputation. I simply point out a recurring theme, that whatever factual information is presented to people out here, if it is opposing their views, it is simply not accepted. You, as well as some others, have passed judgment on Deen and Robertson based on preconceived views. As such, and facts to the contrary are just not right. I fail to see what "bath" Jackson took on anything. Since you admit that Deen was not involved in day to day operations, then I guess any discussion involving discrimination is moot. Yet people still profess her guilt because it's the "thing to do". No horse necessary.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 1, 2014 18:10:57 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

...we have a high level of education and we crack up watching their shows...

Phil has a Master's Degree.  They've all been to college.  

[billisonboard]

Very smart people.  Great marketeers.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Exactly.  So I guess the theory of uneducated people watching other uneducated people making it big and seeing hope is blown to smithereens?

[billisonboard]

Jan 1, 2014 20:52:42 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Exactly.  So I guess the theory of uneducated people watching other uneducated people making it big and seeing hope is blown to smithereens?

Please see Reply #592.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I saw it.  Didn't have anything to do with the question then and it doesn't have anything to do with it now.

[billisonboard]

Jan 1, 2014 21:00:00 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I saw it.  Didn't have anything to do with the question then and it doesn't have anything to do with it now.

True enough. However "the question" has nothing to do with the reality of the situation that we are discussing.

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One episode upset me. They killed some beavers for damming up their waterway. When you live off the land, as they did for a long time, I guess that's the way you protect your livelihood, but it still bothered me.

I'm a little late reply to this post, but beavers can really wreak havoc on the landscape.

Friends of ours own a large cattle ranch. One of their pastures has a large creek (more like a river) running through it. When the beavers build their dams on the creek, it backs up and overflows onto their grazing land.

The only way they can make their livelihood is to destroy the dams and "get rid of" any beavers they happen to see. They usually always have a shotgun or rifle with them when they're on horseback checking their cattle herds.



As for the Duck Dynasty family, Phil has a degree in Education. Willie has a bachelor's degree in health and human performance, with an emphasis on business. Willie's wife Korie graduated from Harding University.

The "Duck Commander" business is a highly successful & lucrative business.

I guess the moral of the the story here is "Don't Judge a Book by its Cover".


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