AZ cop had to resign after finding out she wasn't a citizen

[Tennesseer]

Dec 19, 2013 8:42:46 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:40:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Side question:  when you quote a post and then try to copy and paste another quote into that post, does that copied quote land at the very top of your reply and mess up the whole post?  I think you arexssying the same in yourcreply above.

I have that problem with the tablet.

I'm really upset with you right now...quit hogging all of the alcohol!

Taht is exactly what happened...but I'm on my laptop and not a tablet or iphone....

The 6:00 AM rum and eggnog cocktails stops after January 1.......2027.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 19, 2013 8:51:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:42:46 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I'm really upset with you right now...quit hogging all of the alcohol!

Taht is exactly what happened...but I'm on my laptop and not a tablet or iphone....

The 6:00 AM rum and eggnog cocktails stops after January 1.......2027.

What?  Are you planning to be dead by then??

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 19, 2013 8:48:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:41:33 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Did one of the mods like zib's post?  Did anyone like zib's post?  Ini my prior post I said I disagree with what one of the posters spews and that I hope she is trying to get a rise out of posters....without pointing fingers, any guesses who I was talking about??

No, because ìt was way too out there.   You might ask Chiver why she did though.  I cannot speak for her.

If you like a post that means you agree with the content.  I don't need to ask her why she liked it.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 19, 2013 8:52:42 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:51:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The 6:00 AM rum and eggnog cocktails stops after January 1.......2027.

What?  Are you planning to be dead by then??

I will be 76 in 2027.  I assume the DMV will have pulled my CDL school bus driver's license by then.  What is the fun of bussing school kids without a cocktail or five in hand?

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 19, 2013 8:56:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:52:42 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

What?  Are you planning to be dead by then??

I will be 76 in 2027.  I assume the DMV will have pulled my CDL school bus driver's license by then.  What is the fun of bussing school kids without a cocktail or five in hand?

Fun?  I would need a cocktail or five just to put up with all the noise....

[mmhmm]

Let's not forget EVT's Reply #6.  It explains EVT's remark.  It was directed at the comments on the linked site and those who made them.  EVT specifically stated he didn't mean anyone here on the forums.  That's why I, personally, didn't delete the post containing the remark that has offended some.  I read the thread after EVT has posted Reply #6, so realized the comment wasn't directed at anyone here.

That said, it would do all of us a world of good to stop and think before we post any sort of insult.  It's easy to take things the wrong way; particularly, on forums.  A bit of consideration could make a lot of this go away.  Jus' sayin' ...

mmhmm, Administrator

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 12, 2013 2:22:33 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

not fair to punish kids if their parents lied to them

You can't be serious.

Forget willful blindness to non-citizenship for a moment. Give me just one other example of an adult "kid" breaking a law where your reaction would be "Don't prosecute this woman. It isn't fair. Her parents lied to her."

My parents never told me they rob banks for a living, they went to prison, and I went to foster care.  Kids bear the brunt of all manner of poor decisions by their parents.  This woman knew, and as an adult she willfully continued to break the law.  She committed at least three felonies that I can count- she would have had to- and some she committed repeatedly.  And she's charged with enforcing the law- she took an oath.  None of it means anything if we can't trust her to start with.

[mmhmm]

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, do you have proof Ms. Figueroa has been charged with a crime, felony or otherwise?  If you don't, and I'm pretty sure you don't, it would be a very good idea for you not to be accusing people you don't know of crimes you don't know they committed.  I've got to wonder, based on statements such as the one you've made concerning Ms. Figueroa, how we can trust you.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 19, 2013 13:47:07 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, do you have proof Ms. Figueroa has been charged with a crime, felony or otherwise?  If you don't, and I'm pretty sure you don't, it would be a very good idea for you not to be accusing people you don't know of crimes you don't know they committed.  I've got to wonder, based on statements such as the one you've made concerning Ms. Figueroa, how we can trust you.

She's a cop.  She's a non-citizen.  How did this come to be?  The article states categorically that she did not know, but she's 42.  Had she NEVER had to produce a birth certificate? It says she confronted her mother about this- but let's be real for just a second:  she would have had to have known.  And if she didn't know, she would have had to have been supplied with phony documents, and a false Social Security number.  And she's got a non-citizen brother who would have had to have been in the same boat, right? But he got nabbed and outed her in all likelihood (not intentionally- but she saw the writing on the wall). Sorry, but it doesn't add up.  She was backed into a corner by her brother's trouble and had to come clean. 

In any case- she's being fired for fraud, so there's at least one felony.  And as I've outlined we have the falsification of state and federal documents- at the very least a driver's license and SS ID card- so there's two more felonies JUST for the documents.

[The Captain]

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP - you are assuming the absolute worst without having all the facts (shocker - I know).  My understanding from reading the article was completely different.  I understood it to be that her parents had obtained falsified documents for her (which apparently passed the background check BTW so the were good enough to fool the experts).

In such case she would have absolutely no reason to believe she was here by illegal means.

Just another take on this, that's all.

[Tennesseer]

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:  In any case- she's being fired for fraud, so there's at least one felony.  And as I've outlined we have the falsification of state and federal documents- at the very least a driver's license and SS ID card- so there's two more felonies JUST for the documents

Fascinating how your mind works.  

You have this woman criminally guilty of fraud (the reason for her termination) and falsification of state and federal documents.  Yet she has not been criminally charged with anything.

You stated in the past George Zimmerman can not be called a murderer because a jury found him not guilty.  Yet here you state this woman is guilty of criminal fraud and falsification of legal documents even though there aren't charges even pending! 

Where is your consistent application of innocent until proven guilty?  Or is it selective depending upon the individual?

And before you state her employer was her judge and jury, it is not the same as a criminal court and jury.  One can be terminated from their employment simply for being an asshole which is not a crime.

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 7:37:02 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Dec 19, 2013 13:47:07 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, do you have proof Ms. Figueroa has been charged with a crime, felony or otherwise?  If you don't, and I'm pretty sure you don't, it would be a very good idea for you not to be accusing people you don't know of crimes you don't know they committed.  I've got to wonder, based on statements such as the one you've made concerning Ms. Figueroa, how we can trust you.

She's a cop.  She's a non-citizen.  How did this come to be?  The article states categorically that she did not know, but she's 42.  Had she NEVER had to produce a birth certificate? It says she confronted her mother about this- but let's be real for just a second:  she would have had to have known.  And if she didn't know, she would have had to have been supplied with phony documents, and a false Social Security number.  And she's got a non-citizen brother who would have had to have been in the same boat, right? But he got nabbed and outed her in all likelihood (not intentionally- but she saw the writing on the wall). Sorry, but it doesn't add up.  She was backed into a corner by her brother's trouble and had to come clean. 

In any case- she's being fired for fraud, so there's at least one felony.  And as I've outlined we have the falsification of state and federal documents- at the very least a driver's license and SS ID card- so there's two more felonies JUST for the documents.

1.  Being "real", AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, does not involve making up events and presenting them as though they were fact.  In fact, that's the opposite of being "real".  She did present a birth certificate.  It was a forgery.  It may well have been the one her mother gave her, along with a false SS number.  Same may have been true for her brother.  Neither possibility is outside the realm of reason.  Both are simply outside the realm of that which you have decided happened.  Thing is, paul, you don't know what happened.

2.  She has not, at this time, been charged with a felony.  There is no felony unless charges are filed.  If she's charged, and convicted of a felony, she's a felon.  As long as she's not convicted of said felony, she's not a felon.  You don't get to decide these things.  You are not a court of law, and you are not the end decision on all things legal or illegal.

Every time you post this kind of garbage, you lose a little more credibility.  Right now, you're in the negative figures as far as I'm concerned.  The World According to Paul isn't the world the rest of us live in.

[Tennesseer]

"but let's be real for just a second:  she would have had to have known"

Applying that logic, adults who find out later in life they were adopted after being told all their life they were a couple's natural child, and shown a birth certificate, driver's license and SSI card, should have known from the beginning they were adopted.

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 11:24:27 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 18, 2013 16:17:33 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Just think how some people would chime in if a lib was being called a name but its okay if someone who isn't, is called one.

This post made me think of Veteran_Lender from good old MSN market talk. It also made me think of the term "liberal moderation".

You might want to read my Reply #35, the EVT's Reply #6, @jma23.  That should clarify things for you.  Further discussion of moderation, liberal or otherwise, will be moved off this forum. You may refer to our CoC, which will give you the reason for that move.

mmhmm, Administrator

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Dec 20, 2013 11:47:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 20, 2013 11:24:27 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

This post made me think of Veteran_Lender from good old MSN market talk. It also made me think of the term "liberal moderation".

You might want to read my Reply #35, the EVT's Reply #6, @jma23.  That should clarify things for you.  Further discussion of moderation, liberal or otherwise, will be moved off this forum. You may refer to our CoC, which will give you the reason for that move.

mmhmm, Administrator

I was simply referring to a memory of V_L's moderating "style" on the old MSN board. I couldn't of worded it any simpler. Maybe you could explain to me the reason for your interpretation. I never liked V_L's one sided approach. I believe it all finally came to a head in a dispute with Frank the Impaler and he was removed as moderator by management.  (Edit, I read the COC on moderator discussion and it says nothing about removing posts for discussing moderators on old (defunct) forums.  V_L is not a member here either.) Answer?

[chiver78]

Dec 19, 2013 8:48:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 19, 2013 8:41:33 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Did one of the mods like zib's post?  Did anyone like zib's post?  Ini my prior post I said I disagree with what one of the posters spews and that I hope she is trying to get a rise out of posters....without pointing fingers, any guesses who I was talking about??

No, because ìt was way too out there.   You might ask Chiver why she did though.  I cannot speak for her.

had I been tagged, I may have seen this earlier. I'm 100% with EVT on the post I liked as well as the one where it was clarified that it was a spillover reaction from the ugly comments on the original article. I generally try not to read comments on immigration articles, because the hatred is just so caustic.

immigration is a very touchy subject for me, as someone with a green card-carrying parent. not that I need her approval for my opinion, but I'd bet Tina would be surprised to find out that I am all for deporting everyone that knowingly came here illegally back to where they came from, and putting them at the end of the line to come in legally.

that said, I draw the line in the sand for the children and young adults that would be covered under the Dream Act, and for individual cases like this one - this woman was raised to believe she was born here. how many of you verified the birth certificate and SS card your parents gave you? if you've had to obtain another copy of either, that's one thing....but if you hadn't? how would you know?

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 12:06:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 20, 2013 11:47:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

You might want to read my Reply #35, the EVT's Reply #6, @jma23.  That should clarify things for you.  Further discussion of moderation, liberal or otherwise, will be moved off this forum. You may refer to our CoC, which will give you the reason for that move.

mmhmm, Administrator

I was simply referring to a memory of V_L's moderating "style" on the old MSN board. I couldn't of worded it any simpler. Maybe you could explain to me the reason for your interpretation. I never liked V_L's one sided approach. I believe it all finally came to a head in a dispute with Frank the Impaler and he was removed as moderator by management.  (Edit, I read the COC on moderator discussion and it says nothing about removing posts for discussing moderators on old (defunct) forums.  V_L is not a member here either.) Answer?

Your post wasn't clear, jma.  The second sentence could have related to V_L, or it might not have.   Saying something "reminds me of <whatever>" and following that with something "also reminds me of" disconnects the two thoughts.  That's why I posted as I did.  Had you tied the two sentences together, I'd have gotten the reference.  Not everyone is aware V_L was a moderator on the old MSN board.  Frankly, I don't recall him.

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 20, 2013 12:06:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I was simply referring to a memory of V_L's moderating "style" on the old MSN board. I couldn't of worded it any simpler. Maybe you could explain to me the reason for your interpretation. I never liked V_L's one sided approach. I believe it all finally came to a head in a dispute with Frank the Impaler and he was removed as moderator by management.  (Edit, I read the COC on moderator discussion and it says nothing about removing posts for discussing moderators on old (defunct) forums.  V_L is not a member here either.) Answer?

Your post wasn't clear, jma.  The second sentence could have related to V_L, or it might not have.   Saying something "reminds me of <whatever>" and following that with something "also reminds me of" disconnects the two thoughts.  That's why I posted as I did.  Had you tied the two sentences together, I'd have gotten the reference.  Not everyone is aware V_L was a moderator on the old MSN board.  Frankly, I don't recall him.

Frankly? Was the pun intended? I bet V_L still remembers Frank. It's about time I moved on from V_L anyway. When someone reads something into a phrase that "could be there" it comes from that persons own memory. Please leave me out of those regards, I have nothing against you.

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 13:04:08 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 20, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Your post wasn't clear, jma.  The second sentence could have related to V_L, or it might not have.   Saying something "reminds me of <whatever>" and following that with something "also reminds me of" disconnects the two thoughts.  That's why I posted as I did.  Had you tied the two sentences together, I'd have gotten the reference.  Not everyone is aware V_L was a moderator on the old MSN board.  Frankly, I don't recall him.

Frankly? Was the pun intended? I bet V_L still remembers Frank. It's about time I moved on from V_L anyway. When someone reads something into a phrase that "could be there" it comes from that persons own memory. Please leave me out of those regards, I have nothing against you.

LOL!  No pun intended.  In fact, no pun recognized.  I didn't know anything about V_L and Frank.  Nothing came from my memory because I have none regarding any of this.  That will be true of many here, I'm afraid.  Because of the "also", the two statements lost their connection.  That's all it was.  Certainly nothing personal.

[Opti]

I didn't find it in the OP's URL, but I believe the brother was
actually born here. Otherwise the article should have read more
like Military brother and officer sister both discovered to be illegal
immigrants.


From the welfare queen link it appears some people knew how
to get birth certificates issued years after someone was born.

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2013 13:14:35 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 20, 2013 13:04:08 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Frankly? Was the pun intended? I bet V_L still remembers Frank. It's about time I moved on from V_L anyway. When someone reads something into a phrase that "could be there" it comes from that persons own memory. Please leave me out of those regards, I have nothing against you.

LOL!  No pun intended.  In fact, no pun recognized.  I didn't know anything about V_L and Frank.  Nothing came from my memory because I have none regarding any of this.  That will be true of many here, I'm afraid.  Because of the "also", the two statements lost their connection.  That's all it was.  Certainly nothing personal.

Hear that slapping sound. That's the DW hitting me on the back of the head for talking about things from years ago like it happened yesterday. Again.

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 13:25:17 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 20, 2013 13:14:35 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

LOL!  No pun intended.  In fact, no pun recognized.  I didn't know anything about V_L and Frank.  Nothing came from my memory because I have none regarding any of this.  That will be true of many here, I'm afraid.  Because of the "also", the two statements lost their connection.  That's all it was.  Certainly nothing personal.

Hear that slapping sound. That's the DW hitting me on the back of the head for talking about things from years ago like it happened yesterday. Again.

Not to worry, jma.  As we age, short-term memory pretty much gets lost, so everything runs together anyway.  Mother can get me so confused I don't know if I'm coming, or going.  Then, I stop to think.  I'm getting old, too.  Is it her, or is it me? 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 20, 2013 9:36:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:  In any case- she's being fired for fraud, so there's at least one felony.  And as I've outlined we have the falsification of state and federal documents- at the very least a driver's license and SS ID card- so there's two more felonies JUST for the documents

Fascinating how your mind works.  

You have this woman criminally guilty of fraud (the reason for her termination) and falsification of state and federal documents.  Yet she has not been criminally charged with anything.

You stated in the past George Zimmerman can not be called a murderer because a jury found him not guilty.  Yet here you state this woman is guilty of criminal fraud and falsification of legal documents even though there aren't charges even pending! 

Where is your consistent application of innocent until proven guilty?  Or is it selective depending upon the individual?

And before you state her employer was her judge and jury, it is not the same as a criminal court and jury.  One can be terminated from their employment simply for being an asshole which is not a crime.

Because she isn't charged, doesn't mean the acts were not committed.  The bottom line is that by statute, she's been complicit (at the age of 42- keep that in mind) in the fraud.  I will admit that I don't have hard evidence (I will remind you that many here "knew" exactly what happened with George Zimmerman - the absence of hard evidence notwithstanding) to know what exactly happened- but it's indisputably reasonable to infer she has been complicit in this fraud for several decades and it just now caught up with her because a blood relative became entangled with the law.  

EDIT: HERE is a list of required documentation JUST to obtain an AZ driver's license:

www.azdot.gov/docs/default-source/mvd-forms-pubs/96-0155.pdf?sfvrsn=4

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 13:54:02 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Dec 20, 2013 9:36:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fascinating how your mind works.  

You have this woman criminally guilty of fraud (the reason for her termination) and falsification of state and federal documents.  Yet she has not been criminally charged with anything.

You stated in the past George Zimmerman can not be called a murderer because a jury found him not guilty.  Yet here you state this woman is guilty of criminal fraud and falsification of legal documents even though there aren't charges even pending! 

Where is your consistent application of innocent until proven guilty?  Or is it selective depending upon the individual?

And before you state her employer was her judge and jury, it is not the same as a criminal court and jury.  One can be terminated from their employment simply for being an asshole which is not a crime.

Because she isn't charged, doesn't mean the acts were not committed.  The bottom line is that by statute, she's been complicit (at the age of 42- keep that in mind) in the fraud.  I will admit that I don't have hard evidence (I will remind you that many here "knew" exactly what happened with George Zimmerman - the absence of hard evidence notwithstanding) to know what exactly happened- but it's indisputably reasonable to infer she has been complicit in this fraud for several decades and it just now caught up with her because a blood relative became entangled with the law.  

EDIT: HERE is a list of required documentation JUST to obtain an AZ driver's license:

www.azdot.gov/docs/default-source/mvd-forms-pubs/96-0155.pdf?sfvrsn=4

No, it is not.  If she presented documents in good faith, believing those documents to be what was required to obtain a license, or employment, she's not guilty of anything.  That's why she hasn't been charged with a crime, or found guilty of a crime.  You, paul, do not decide guilt or innocence.  You don't know beans about any of it.

[Opti]

 A brother got a passport. Its not reasonable to assume someone
who came to this country at three or six years old is complict in fraud.
I totally disagree with your assertion though. I have my original birth
certificate from the hospital. I had to get an official one from Illinois
after the 9/11 changes hit the DMV. How would I have known if my
hospital birth certificate was a fraud? How would anyone know their
state or city birth certificate was a fraud if their parents gave it to them?

I mean really, she's been employed, gotten a DL, updated driver's licenses
and until her brother gets a passport no one complains or says something.
What the heck was supposed to tip her off?




I'm curious. What have you done, if anything, to verify the accuracy
of your own birth certificate?

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2013 14:18:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

 A brother got a passport. Its not reasonable to assume someone
who came to this country at three or six years old is complict in fraud.
I totally disagree with your assertion though. I have my original birth
certificate from the hospital. I had to get an official one from Illinois
after the 9/11 changes hit the DMV. How would I have known if my
hospital birth certificate was a fraud? How would anyone know their
state or city birth certificate was a fraud if their parents gave it to them?

I mean really, she's been employed, gotten a DL, updated driver's licenses
and until her brother gets a passport no one complains or says something.
What the heck was supposed to tip her off?




I'm curious. What have you done, if anything, to verify the accuracy
of your own birth certificate?

The footprints match ? Bigger, but still match.

[Opti]

"The footprints match ? Bigger, but still match."

 That would be a hospital birth certificate which is no longer considered
offical enough for use at the DMV.

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2013 14:35:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

"The footprints match ? Bigger, but still match."

 That would be a hospital birth certificate which is no longer considered
offical enough for use at the DMV.

When do you need a birth certificate to get a drivers license? Your first one?

[mmhmm]

Dec 20, 2013 14:41:50 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 20, 2013 14:35:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

"The footprints match ? Bigger, but still match."

 That would be a hospital birth certificate which is no longer considered
offical enough for use at the DMV.

When do you need a birth certificate to get a drivers license? Your first one?

In most states (maybe all states), yes, jma.  Some states require a birth certificate or other recognized confirmation of identity to renew an expired license.

[Opti]

When I needed 6 pts of ID and I didn't have an enhanced DL( didn't
exist yet in NJ) and didn't keep an updated passport.