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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 9:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 9:38:57 GMT -5
So Paul, have you been "allowed" to keep your health plan, and/ or your Doctor? What do you think? (This is going to FUCK Democrats politically- where in the world is in NOT true that if you have the money, you get what you want?)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 9:40:51 GMT -5
And if you can endure this- watch it, but I have to warn you: It's PAINFUL!
It's actually hard to believe that the lefties here, on THIS ISSUE, suddenly want to make the "truth" an issue. You stepped in it.
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Post by workpublic on Dec 11, 2013 9:46:25 GMT -5
So Paul, have you been "allowed" to keep your health plan, and/ or your Doctor? i wasn't. my plan is going away on 12/31. but i have a new one through the exchange(i hope). sent the first month's premium. waiting for my card. how anyone could vote for and support pelosi astounds me. she is palin ridiculous/unreal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2013 10:06:17 GMT -5
So Paul, have you been "allowed" to keep your health plan, and/ or your Doctor? i wasn't. my plan is going away on 12/31. but i have a new one through the exchange(i hope). sent the first month's premium. waiting for my card. how anyone could vote for and support pelosi astounds me. she is palin ridiculous/unreal. Maybe they continue to vote for Palin because she ìs not a quiter?
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Post by workpublic on Dec 11, 2013 10:15:21 GMT -5
i don't think palin is getting any votes these days. i hope pelosi will join the reality TV crowd soon or just fade into the dust bin of history. like palin, she's a freak train wreck. except i'd do palin(basically her only worth to me ), pelosi, not so much. p.s. it pained me to have to vote "for" palin because I had to vote "against" obama. but the against vote was much more important to me than the for vote. unfortunately the majority of the voters were uninformed, fellow travelers or dupes.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2013 10:40:58 GMT -5
... p.s. it pained me to have to vote "for" palin because I had to vote "against" obama. but the against vote was much more important to me than the for vote. ... Wow! Where do you live? I always have a lot more choice than two in presidential elections here in Washington State.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 11, 2013 10:41:32 GMT -5
No, the article headline is " AIDS advocates say drug coverage in some marketplace plans is inadequate" Can you ever just be truthful? THIS JUST IN! BREAKING NEWS! Paul is no more honest and truthfull than President Obama, when explaining the Unaffordable Healthcare Act!
Last I looked, Paul was not elected to office to protect American citizen's interest and well being. This President was. Paul seems to be held to a higher standard here than the President is. In all honesty, Paul has to read the whole thing after it was passed to completely understand it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2013 10:51:15 GMT -5
Can you ever just be truthful? THIS JUST IN! BREAKING NEWS! Paul is no more honest and truthfull than President Obama, when explaining the Unaffordable Healthcare Act!
Last I looked, Paul was not elected to office to protect American citizen's interest and well being. This President was. Paul seems to be held to a higher standard here than the President is. In all honesty, Paul has to read the whole thing after it was passed to completely understand it.
Obama does not post here. We do like honesty and integrity from the posters ìn our little message board world here.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 11, 2013 10:56:54 GMT -5
THIS JUST IN! BREAKING NEWS! Paul is no more honest and truthfull than President Obama, when explaining the Unaffordable Healthcare Act!
Last I looked, Paul was not elected to office to protect American citizen's interest and well being. This President was. Paul seems to be held to a higher standard here than the President is. In all honesty, Paul has to read the whole thing after it was passed to completely understand it.
Obama does not post here. We do like honesty and integrity from the posters ìn our little message board world here. This is true, but some of us, and this does include others here beside me, really cannot comprehend how some posters here refuse to criticize the President and his lack of, shall we say, his honesty with the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, and would rather go after Paul. Yes, it does make good theater for Paul's opposition, but does not answer why this is so screwed up and no one wants to look and hold anyone accountable for this fiasco.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2013 11:10:56 GMT -5
Obama does not post here. We do like honesty and integrity from the posters is unethicn ourIlittle message board world here. This is true, but some of us, and this does include others here beside me, really cannot comprehend how some posters here refuse to criticize the President and his lack of, shall we say, his honesty with the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, and would rather go after Paul. Yes, it does make good theater for Paul's opposition, but does not answer why this is so screwed up and no one wants to look and hold anyone accountable for this fiasco. Again. Obama does not post here. Paul does. And for him to twist article titles because he disagrees with them (or simply does not understand the article content) ìs unethical and ìnsulting to all the other posters.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 11:37:34 GMT -5
I don't know what to think. I don't know your Doctor. I do know I am able to keep my health plan, and my Doctor, and my wife's Doctor. In fact, I can't think of anyone that I personally know who has said otherwise. We do have a friend who lost her life a few years ago because they botched a simple test for Ovarian Cancer. Then when she finally got the results back months later her plan (NASE) did not cover cancer care. I bet she would have had to change plans, or pay for that one herself. The short answer is no. My doctor doesn't accept insurance directly anyway. We have always had to pay out of pocket. However, my doctor used to be reimbursed by my old PPO plan, and we lost that plan-- so no. We are working with our accountant now on the new (and ridiculous) HSA rules because we'd previously had a high deductible mostly catastrophic plan anyway-- and we rarely hit the deductible. We hit it one year when my daughter was two and got RSV. The ambulance "ride" alone was $15,000. We pay out of pocket with our HSA currently-- we're trying to see if we can keep doing that. We have a $7,500 annual deductible now- we may be able to keep that-- and a whole shit load of people may be joining us with a nice high deductible...hope they can afford it until ObamaCare is repealed... The bottom line for us is that we pay and get what we want. However, we are probably going to have to buy far more 'insurance' than we have now because ObamaCare mandates expensive full-coverage plans that we have never felt are worth the cost in the past. And our premiums are definitely going up-- we have our current plan, because we renewed it, until next year some time- I think September. But our doctors and networks have all changed and our PPO is going to some other BS crap that functions like an HMO-- now we're going to pay more, be required to get referrals, and a bunch of other shit we didn't have to deal with-- but if we're paying the premiums, you bet your ass we're going to use the plan.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 11:42:05 GMT -5
This is true, but some of us, and this does include others here beside me, really cannot comprehend how some posters here refuse to criticize the President and his lack of, shall we say, his honesty with the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, and would rather go after Paul. Yes, it does make good theater for Paul's opposition, but does not answer why this is so screwed up and no one wants to look and hold anyone accountable for this fiasco. Again. Obama does not post here. Paul does. And for him to twist article titles because he disagrees with them (or simply does not understand the article content) ìs unethical and ìnsulting to all the other posters. How would it be unethical if I didn't understand the article? Just sayin'. Actually, the title of the article is unethical- the truth was deliberately mitigated to make it sound like the problem is smaller than it is. I understand ObamaCare, and I corrected the article. www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2013/12/09/no-you-cant-keep-your-drugs-either-under-obamacare/www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/obamacare-expands-drug-coverage-but-out-of-pocket-expenses-go-up/#.UqiVhvRDsxGonline.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303722104579238263770197936?KEYWORDS=copays+and+drugsWhich means any further accusations that I've been "dishonest" are themselves dishonest. Why can't you just be wrong? For once?
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 11:46:39 GMT -5
Obama does not post here. We do like honesty and integrity from the posters ìn our little message board world here. This is true, but some of us, and this does include others here beside me, really cannot comprehend how some posters here refuse to criticize the President and his lack of, shall we say, his honesty with the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, and would rather go after Paul. Yes, it does make good theater for Paul's opposition, but does not answer why this is so screwed up and no one wants to look and hold anyone accountable for this fiasco. I've got to disagree; at least, from my perspective. I believe the president was less than truthful by a long shot. Either that, or he was distressingly misinformed (and undereducated). As has been said, however, the president doesn't post here. I'd say, in addition, the theatrics are not only on the side of the responders. In fact, the theatrics don't start with the responders. I also don't see where you get the idea "no one" wants to hold anyone accountable for this mess. From what I've read, most people do want those responsible held accountable, and most have stated this thing is a nightmare and needs one heck of a lot of work! It stinks. However, I and others would have preferred to see universal healthcare rather than an abomination crafted to get it through the opposition. Unfortunately, with the dichotomy in viewpoint, the PTB decided that's what was necessary to get anything done, at all.
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Post by workpublic on Dec 11, 2013 11:52:53 GMT -5
Wow! Where do you live? I always have a lot more choice than two in presidential elections here in Washington State. i live in NY. so whoever I vote doesn't matter the democrat will always win the electoral vote.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2013 11:57:44 GMT -5
You are wasting valuable time here paul. Get busy correcting the bible, the U.S. Constituion and the Bill of Rights and all sorts of historical documents and books. The world awaits your corrections of history.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 12:10:40 GMT -5
Since you feel free to ask others why they can't just be wrong, paul, I'll ask you the same question. What makes you think you're so darned smart you can change another person's article to fit your personal views and try to put that off as honesty and integrity? It isn't. It's anything but. It's a theatrical play on your part. You do not speak for the entire community of people who are HIV positive, or who have AIDS. In fact, you don't speak for any of them. In this particular case, it's you who are wrong. While you're pointing fingers, be sure you note the three pointed back at you. That applies to everyone here, by the way.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2013 12:26:46 GMT -5
Wow! Where do you live? I always have a lot more choice than two in presidential elections here in Washington State. i live in NY. so whoever I vote doesn't matter the democrat will always win the electoral vote. Doesn't that make third party voting easy?
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 20:57:18 GMT -5
Yes, cereb, the comment you mention in your Reply #1261 is a personal insult and will now be removed, along with the rest of the post, and your reply. That will be the case for any further personal insults no matter who lobs them. I hadn't seen AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP 's post; however, I'll be watching this thread now. mmhmm, P&M Moderator
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Post by cereb on Dec 11, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
Your interpretation of my words is nothing short of bullshit. Never once did I say anything about it being ok to parse anyone's promises. I have not defended anything Obama has had to say on the matter. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. but don't let that stop you from making shit up. It's what you do. It's what the rest of us have grown accustomed to from you. No surprises there. Your remark regarding my "new found" appreciation for the truth being "nothing short of hilarious" is a personal attack. If I valued your opinion, or had any regard for your judgement, I might be offended. I hope you enjoyed it. That's your last freebie. nonsense. calling Paul a liar is the same thing as believing everything Obama says, and you know it- you naughty person! Oh Gawd...what was I thinking!
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Post by cereb on Dec 11, 2013 21:00:12 GMT -5
Yes, cereb, the comment you mention in your Reply #1261 is a personal insult and will now be removed, along with the rest of the post, and your reply. That will be the case for any further personal insults no matter who lobs them. I hadn't seen paul's post; however, I'll be watching this thread now. mmhmm, P&M Moderator Thank you.
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Post by cereb on Dec 11, 2013 21:01:25 GMT -5
Oh Hell. Then I went ahead and quoted the quote that needs to be removed. FML.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 21:02:06 GMT -5
You're welcome.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 21:03:00 GMT -5
Oh Hell. Then I went ahead and quoted the quote that needs to be removed. FML. LOL! Happens all the time! One day, my dream will come true! Those who are insulted will Report the insulting post instead of copying it! Maybe ... for Christmas!?!
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 21:15:08 GMT -5
If you look back, anyone, and find your post(s) missing, it's because it was an insult to another poster, or because it quoted a post that has been removed. Now, let's get back to discussing the subject and off of discussing each other. I'm not going to say that again. Any further insulting posts will be removed and if that doesn't result in a change in posting behavior the thread will be locked. This is getting old.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 11, 2013 21:36:14 GMT -5
This is true, but some of us, and this does include others here beside me, really cannot comprehend how some posters here refuse to criticize the President and his lack of, shall we say, his honesty with the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, and would rather go after Paul. Yes, it does make good theater for Paul's opposition, but does not answer why this is so screwed up and no one wants to look and hold anyone accountable for this fiasco. I've got to disagree; at least, from my perspective. I believe the president was less than truthful by a long shot. Either that, or he was distressingly misinformed (and undereducated). As has been said, however, the president doesn't post here. I'd say, in addition, the theatrics are not only on the side of the responders. In fact, the theatrics don't start with the responders. I also don't see where you get the idea "no one" wants to hold anyone accountable for this mess. From what I've read, most people do want those responsible held accountable, and most have stated this thing is a nightmare and needs one heck of a lot of work! It stinks. However, I and others would have preferred to see universal healthcare rather than an abomination crafted to get it through the opposition. Unfortunately, with the dichotomy in viewpoint, the PTB decided that's what was necessary to get anything done, at all. Serious question: If Obama didn't know, the it would be true and accurate to say I knew more, as a poster on this message board, than the President of The United States who signed the bill. Do you find that believable.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 11, 2013 21:41:07 GMT -5
Frankly, paul, I don't care what you know, what you don't know, or what you think you know. I do know there are times when people (including presidents and other big-wigs) don't know what they're talking about well enough to be talking about it. There are times when they know this, and times when they don't know this. It's not about you. It's never been about you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2013 22:55:41 GMT -5
I've got to disagree; at least, from my perspective. I believe the president was less than truthful by a long shot. Either that, or he was distressingly misinformed (and undereducated). As has been said, however, the president doesn't post here. I'd say, in addition, the theatrics are not only on the side of the responders. In fact, the theatrics don't start with the responders. I also don't see where you get the idea "no one" wants to hold anyone accountable for this mess. From what I've read, most people do want those responsible held accountable, and most have stated this thing is a nightmare and needs one heck of a lot of work! It stinks. However, I and others would have preferred to see universal healthcare rather than an abomination crafted to get it through the opposition. Unfortunately, with the dichotomy in viewpoint, the PTB decided that's what was necessary to get anything done, at all. Serious question: If Obama didn't know, the it would be true and accurate to say I knew more, as a poster on this message board, than the President of The United States who signed the bill. Do you find that believable. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2013 10:12:34 GMT -5
Frankly, paul, I don't care what you know, what you don't know, or what you think you know. I do know there are times when people (including presidents and other big-wigs) don't know what they're talking about well enough to be talking about it. There are times when they know this, and times when they don't know this. It's not about you. It's never been about you. Well, as Vice President Joe Biden noted at the signing ceremony for ObamaCare, this is a big fucking deal. The President should know the major features of a bill that affects one seventh of the US economy, and the health and well being of every single American. And he did know. that's my point.
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