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Post by imawino on Aug 21, 2013 10:33:59 GMT -5
Blargh. Stop talking about golf. Some of us are trying to look pretty over here. And not die of boredom. And you are doing a fantastic job! Keep up the good work!! Aw, shucks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:34:07 GMT -5
We'll be done talking shop in a minute, dear. In the mean time, could you get me another Scotch? << shakes rocks glass >>
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Post by imawino on Aug 21, 2013 10:38:09 GMT -5
We'll be done talking shop in a minute, dear. In the mean time, could you get me another Scotch? << shakes rocks glass >> Sure! I'm going to expect one of those "good game" ass smacks though. It is my favorite thing about sports.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:39:40 GMT -5
Always! Now hop to it! My ice is melting!!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 21, 2013 11:01:40 GMT -5
My first boss swears the only reason he looked twice at my resume is because under recreational activities I put: ice hockey.
I know he's a big liar, but at least it's something to talk about. I would have actually liked more support for my athletic endeavors in high school - I was selected for an olympic developmental team but my mom wouldn't drive me to the practices. In high school I made the all state lists but since I was graduating early (3 yrs instead of 4) I wasn't on any college scout lists. I ended up walking on to a Division 1 team and played a few years. I think if I had more support I would have been offered scholarships and gone to a better school on an athletic scholarship.
All in all it's ok because I ended up happy with where I am in life, but sometimes I wonder "what if?"
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 11:08:17 GMT -5
If I'm hiring for a professional or managerial position and see a resume that lists recreational activities, I worry the person is quirky or a dinosaur to include this type of information on a professional document. But I wasn't a college athlete, so maybe the college athletes view this info differently.
Now, I've still interviewed a few who listed odd stuff if the rest of the resume is strong enough, but honestly, IMHO most of the hiring managers are giggling at the peeps who put down their sports or hobbies. I saw a resume for an accounting position I was hiring a few months ago that listed that the person had been Homecoming Queen in high school. We're still having fun with that one.
Edited to add: I know HoneyBBQ is in a completely different field than I hire in and it's obviously different in healthcare. Was making the point that different fields have different views of things, not trying to cut on HoneyBBQ.
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 21, 2013 11:09:55 GMT -5
There are entire job hunting websites dedicated to helping college athletes find "real" jobs, generally with hiring managers who were also college athletes, and like thyme4change's friend, believe that playing a team sport at a fairly elite level (which college sports are)teaches people skills they supposedly can't get anywhere else. In a way, it's like learning you belong to the same fraternity or sorority as the hiring manager.
And no, in front of the non-athletes, they probably don't talk about their sport playing days much, but if you're wondering why that young guy is getting promoted ahead of some folks who have been there longer and with more experience, there's a good chance it's because he played college sports and so did the guy doing the promoting.
With behavioral interview questions, it is very easy to bring sports into the interview, and no, I don't find it suspect. Especially when you are looking for that first (or first managerial level) job, it's not likely that you have a lot of on the job experience to draw from. So you draw from your team sports experience. It's no different than using your service organization experience as an example.
As for kids wanting to do non-professional jobs, again, it is because that is what they see, and as others have said, some things look cool to a 10 year old that do not look cool to us as adults. And no matter what I say here, the truth is, if DD grows up to be a grocery store checker and is happy and can take care of herself, then that will be that. But I am also allowed to have bigger dreams for her than she has for herself, to nudge her gently along what I feel is the better path (I'm pretty certain that's part of the job of being a parent, at least as I see it), as long as I don't drag her pulling and screaming.
As for quitting something, I can't say in a blanket statement whether I would allow DD to quit or tell her she needs to honor her commitment. I think both would be situationally dependent, as I can envision scenarios going either way.
!!WARNING RANT AHEAD!! I'm tired of baby boomers telling the current generation of parents that our styles of parenting are bad- too helicopter-y, to much parental involvement, too many planned activities, not enough "free play", etc. Guess who raised the current generation of parents? Baby boomers. We are the parents we are because you were the parents you were. This world is not a vacuum. I am tired of hearing people blame kids for the fact that there are no monkey bars, or that when they were a kid, there wasn't padding underneath the swings, just good old grass and no one had to wear a helmet and pads to ride a bicycle. Guess who started the trend of suing schools and playgrounds for childhood injuries? Guess who passed the helmet laws? It happened when I was a kid/teenager- so baby boomers. Guess who started telling us it was a dangerous world and we shouldn't be playing in the middle of the street? Guess who started putting the faces of missing kids on the backs of milk cartons? And told us never to talk to strangers? Or a million other things that made the world seem as if it had gotten scarier.
My parents are baby boomers. I love them dearly and think they were great parents. But I am tired of hearing baby boomers talk about the current generation of parents (and the current crop of kids) as if we all just woke up one day and out of the blue decided that world was a more dangerous place and did everything over the protestations of the baby boomers and earlier generations. It's not true. Again, the world is not vacuum. Parents today parent in the world we live in and baby boomers helped create this world and this style of parenting. Stop talking about your own childhoods or child rearing days as if the world were perfect then (it wasn't), or as if you had no control over what the world has become. That's not true. Parents today are your children. You were our models. Take some fracking responsibility.
(And for the record, I have asked my family to stop forwarding me those "when I was a kid, my curfew was the streetlights" type things, and given them a very similar rant.) END RANT
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 21, 2013 11:38:43 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't ever recall on any job I've ever applied for or seen that your athletic history was a factor. It's never even come up in any job interview I've ever had. Most hiring managers as far as I can tell don't give a rat's ass if you were an athlete in college. Honestly, if someone brought it up for a professional job, I would think it would be weird. It'd be like they couldn't find anything more relevent to sell themselves on, so I'd be suspicious. Don't underestimate the importance of learning to work as a team, which a lot of kids learn by playing sports. Or maybe not. Not everything you do in life is or should be in preparation for your working years. Sports aren't the only way to learn teamwork. Hell you can learn teamwork by playing video games. Anway, I don't dislike athletes or anything like that. As I said, I view sports as a hobby, and not any more noble (or un noble) as any other potential hobby. To me it's just something that people do (or did) in their free time that they enjoyed, so more power to them. But I don't think sports (or any other leisure activity) makes one a better person. Anyway, Thyme4change is right, in the working world, you'll probably have some hiring managers that would love athletes, you'll have others that hate athletes, and you'll have the vast majority who are like me, and don't care either way.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 21, 2013 11:43:02 GMT -5
Critizing parenting isn't limited to babyboomers. If I had a dollar for every "Back in the day" story my MIL has. My MIL is the same generation as my grandparents. I'm sure her parents had tons of "back in the day" stories too. And we'll do the same thing when our kids have kids. It's the Circle of Life. My three year old would be in heaven if she could be an elevator attendent. Pushing the button is serious business for a 3 year old apparently.
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 21, 2013 11:46:02 GMT -5
Critizing parenting isn't limited to babyboomers. If I had a dollar for every "Back in the day" story my MIL has. My MIL is the same generation as my grandparents. I'm sure her parents had tons of "back in the day" stories too. And we'll do the same thing when our kids have kids. It's the Circle of Life. My three year old would be in heaven if she could be an elevator attendent. Pushing the button is serious business for a 3 year old apparently. "Not your elelator, my elelator. Not your turn to push the button, my turn to push the button. Elelator go up! Elelator go doooooown."
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 11:46:05 GMT -5
Not sure my boys have entirely grown out of the elevator button pushing is cool stage and they're now 9 and 13.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 11:46:50 GMT -5
Not sure my boys have entirely grown out of the elevator button pushing is cool stage and they're now 9 and 13. DH is 43 and still thinks it's pretty cool.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 21, 2013 11:48:49 GMT -5
Not your elelator, my elelator. Not your turn to push the button, my turn to push the button. Elelator go up! Elelator go doooooown."
Someone else who gets it! DH had no clue what I was talking about when I started doing that in the elevator.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 21, 2013 11:49:15 GMT -5
If I'm hiring for a professional or managerial position and see a resume that lists recreational activities, I worry the person is quirky or a dinosaur to include this type of information on a professional document. But I wasn't a college athlete, so maybe the college athletes view this info differently. Now, I've still interviewed a few who listed odd stuff if the rest of the resume is strong enough, but honestly, IMHO most of the hiring managers are giggling at the peeps who put down their sports or hobbies. I saw a resume for an accounting position I was hiring a few months ago that listed that the person had been Homecoming Queen in high school. We're still having fun with that one. Edited to add: I know HoneyBBQ is in a completely different field than I hire in and it's obviously different in healthcare. Was making the point that different fields have different views of things, not trying to cut on HoneyBBQ. Hey it's cool. I had some space at the end of my CV so I just put other activities that included some other leadership positions, journal reviewing, other stuff like that. So I threw it in there for kicks. We're not that formal of a field so I think it was ok. It's not like it was the first thing you saw on my resume!
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 11:53:21 GMT -5
If I'm hiring for a professional or managerial position and see a resume that lists recreational activities, I worry the person is quirky or a dinosaur to include this type of information on a professional document. But I wasn't a college athlete, so maybe the college athletes view this info differently. Now, I've still interviewed a few who listed odd stuff if the rest of the resume is strong enough, but honestly, IMHO most of the hiring managers are giggling at the peeps who put down their sports or hobbies. I saw a resume for an accounting position I was hiring a few months ago that listed that the person had been Homecoming Queen in high school. We're still having fun with that one. Edited to add: I know HoneyBBQ is in a completely different field than I hire in and it's obviously different in healthcare. Was making the point that different fields have different views of things, not trying to cut on HoneyBBQ. Hey it's cool. I had some space at the end of my CV so I just put other activities that included some other leadership positions, journal reviewing, other stuff like that. So I threw it in there for kicks. We're not that formal of a field so I think it was ok. It's not like it was the first thing you saw on my resume! Yeah, smart to know your audience. Obviously, that was the exact right way to play it. While I have zero experience being hired in tech positions in Silicon Valley, I suspect they'd laugh at the formal resumes that the accountants and business managers prize so highly. Heck for a job at Google, they'd probably be even more likely to check someone out who did something off the wall like write the resume in Klingon or programming code while listing Quiddich World Cup 2012 Champion as a qualification...
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Post by michelyn8 on Aug 21, 2013 11:55:43 GMT -5
Also - I won't push my kids at anything but school. I will support whatever dream they have. I will pay the fees, I will drive them, I will encourage them, I will go to the events, I will ask them questions, I will watch the TV shows that relate, I will google the rules and understand the process. I won't let them skip practice and I won't let them quit without a lot of thought. But I won't force them to do something they don't want to do. And I won't tell them daily that this is their future.
Only on page one but I honestly see nothing wrong with your approach. If your children want to pursue a future in dance/athletics, great but everyone in those pursuits has a shelf life. Some make it big and gain fame and fortune but by the time they're in their mid-30's they are to old (and often injured) to continue. Then what? If your daughter becomes extremely successful at dance, she may be able to teach and make a good living because she has a reputation of being one of the best but that's not going to happen for every dancer. Your son could excel in athletics, but unless he is a reason his team wins The Super Bowl or The World Series or is a major player on one of those teams, again, he might be able to coach or live off endorsements or even go into broadcasting. But again, that's only for the elite.
And even if they are able to go those routes, they need some knowledge of business/accounting so they know what is going on with those big $$ they are raking in and not get cheated by a manager or agent or business partnet.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 21, 2013 11:58:39 GMT -5
I have to wonder how much of that 'pressure' people feel about how they raise their kids is in their heads. When people tell me I should do X, I may consider their advice, and I see it as being kindly meant, but at the end of the day, I know my situation better than they do and do what I want without feeling one ounce of guilt that I'm not obeying some random person. If I felt some sense of obligation to a person giving me advice, I imagine unsolicited advice would upset me a lot.
As for the whole team sports vs playing thing. I was raised by a WW2 generation mom but all the other moms were baby boomers. When we moved to Alabama, the moms were doing the whole 'playdate' thing rather than letting their kids run free (even though it was an extremely safe neighborhood and town). My mother thought they were all nuts and wouldn't have anything to do with it. So I was the kid who would show up at people's houses, occasionally play with them, but almost always had parents looking down their noses at me wondering if my mom was on drugs, gabbing with each other and to my mom's face that I (gasp!) rode my bike more than two blocks from my house. While I agree with my mom that the other mothers were nuts, I know that this is the way the world is, and if I want my kids to have a healthy social life, I'm going to have to play the game.
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 12:05:27 GMT -5
Only on page one but I honestly see nothing wrong with your approach. If your children want to pursue a future in dance/athletics, great but everyone in those pursuits has a shelf life. Some make it big and gain fame and fortune but by the time they're in their mid-30's they are to old (and often injured) to continue. Then what? Sorry to repeat a story I've told before, but if they're smart, they can return to college at that point. One of the women I started with at a Big Six accounting firm was 40 and had just graduated with her BS in Accounting. She had been a Broadway dancer - a soloist, so I'm assuming she was pretty good - and had aged out, gone back to school and was starting an accounting career. She did really well at the job and also ended up marrying one of the partners. But her stories about the things the dancers did and went through to stay thin were truly horrifying and it was obvious that even at 40 in an accounting career, she still had an eating disorder. Made me glad I skipped the whole wanna be a ballerina phase and went directly to accounting. I like food too much to be anorexic.
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Post by michelyn8 on Aug 21, 2013 12:09:56 GMT -5
Critizing parenting isn't limited to babyboomers. If I had a dollar for every "Back in the day" story my MIL has. My MIL is the same generation as my grandparents. I'm sure her parents had tons of "back in the day" stories too. And we'll do the same thing when our kids have kids. It's the Circle of Life. My three year old would be in heaven if she could be an elevator attendent. Pushing the button is serious business for a 3 year old apparently. "Not your elelator, my elelator. Not your turn to push the button, my turn to push the button. Elelator go up! Elelator go doooooown."My kids grew up watching that and when the Plucky Duck as toddler episodes came one, my Mom would get the biggest kick out of them and give me all the details when I got home from work. And yes, I play argue with my kids about whose turn it is to push the button on every elelator we get on.
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 21, 2013 12:12:06 GMT -5
Not your elelator, my elelator. Not your turn to push the button, my turn to push the button. Elelator go up! Elelator go doooooown."
Someone else who gets it! DH had no clue what I was talking about when I started doing that in the elevator. Though I got the quote a little wrong. It's "Elelator go up the hole. Elelator down the hole" C and I will still sometimes do this in the elevator, especially if we both reach to push the button.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 12:47:34 GMT -5
we have the Hub Network and it shows Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs like all the time!
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 21, 2013 13:06:32 GMT -5
I saw one that said she'd been elected Sweetheart of some college fraternity. We puzzled over that one.
I can see listing sports, especially if you excelled at them, as that indicates you have drive and can function on a team, but a beauty pagent, 20 years ago?
The only thing I could think of was this was possibly some business fraternity and in order to win 'Sweetheart' you had to demonstrate some kind of business ability?? But why would they call that 'sweetheart' and not "Gamma Gamma Gamma Business Star of the Year" or some such?
She came in for an interview, and I really, really wanted to ask her what that was, but didn't. We didn't hire her, but it wasn't because of that.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 13:14:05 GMT -5
Where I went to school "Sweethearts of the Fraternity" meant she slept with all of them.
ETA: Sweetheart sounds much better than "Slam Puppy."
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Post by Otto the Orange on Aug 21, 2013 13:44:53 GMT -5
Also maybe you live in small towns, yadda yadda so maybe you need a league or whatever......But with all the technology now, I mean kids & people do these flash mob things, why can't they flash mob a basketball game or something?
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 14:01:32 GMT -5
I saw one that said she'd been elected Sweetheart of some college fraternity. We puzzled over that one. I can see listing sports, especially if you excelled at them, as that indicates you have drive and can function on a team, but a beauty pagent, 20 years ago? The only thing I could think of was this was possibly some business fraternity and in order to win 'Sweetheart' you had to demonstrate some kind of business ability?? But why would they call that 'sweetheart' and not "Gamma Gamma Gamma Business Star of the Year" or some such? She came in for an interview, and I really, really wanted to ask her what that was, but didn't. We didn't hire her, but it wasn't because of that. The Homecoming Queen is in her 40s now, so that particular glory was over 20 years ago as well. Funny thing is, we hired her. She's way overqualified for the job - we were just looking for bookkeeper/entry accounting skills and she's a degreed accountant with great experience but was a SAHM for 13 years, so she's just looking to get her foot back in the door. She's been fantastic. We agreed that if she'll just stay for 2 years, we'll help her get back into the work world, advance in the company and then give her a kick ass recommendation when she's ready to get back on the fast track at a higher level job elsewhere. Win/win. But I still think the Homecoming Queen thing was odd.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 21, 2013 14:48:54 GMT -5
Ok, putting something on your resume from 20-30 years ago is weird. I was still playing ice hockey.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 14:54:06 GMT -5
<<erases line about "teen beauty queen" off my resume>>
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 21, 2013 15:04:49 GMT -5
<<erases line about "teen beauty queen" off my resume>> "toilet trained at 2.5!"
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Post by vonna on Aug 21, 2013 15:48:43 GMT -5
Apgar score of 10!
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Post by vonna on Aug 21, 2013 15:55:14 GMT -5
Well now you're just bragging! Truth be told, I've never written a resume. But, if I ever do, I will try not to brag!!
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