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Post by Shooby on Aug 21, 2013 6:26:00 GMT -5
I think a lot of parents today are over the top. I think having to sign homework past 2nd grade is absolutely absurd. It isn't my homework. I did MY homework, they can be responsible to do theirs. No wonder so many kids can't function in the real world if they aren't constantly coddled. As for pressure, i really don't care if my kids go to Harvard. I don't care if they are "the best" at everything. Nobody is the best at everything. It is absurd to think our kids have to be. I want them to grow up and have good values, support themselves and be good people in the community. The rest of it, i don't care about. If one wants to be a doctor and the other wants to drive a backhoe, that is fine with me as long as they can support themselves. And, they can do whatever activities or sports they choose. I give them opportunities but ultimately it is THEIR life. I let both sons join the band and they both took music lessons. They played from 4th to 7th grade and then decided to quit. Fine. It isn't their thing. However DD really enjoys music and playing her instrument. I also don't believe in not letting kids quit something. If they try a sport or some activity and it isn't for them, what is the point of finishing the season? If they clearly don't want to play, they SHOULD step down and give some other kid a chance to play who does want to play. Life is about trying a variety of things and finding what you like. Some things you like and some things you don't. So , yeah, i have some different ideas regarding parenting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 7:02:06 GMT -5
Well, other than the letting them quit something, you're not that different!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 7:21:29 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't ever recall on any job I've ever applied for or seen that your athletic history was a factor. It's never even come up in any job interview I've ever had. Most hiring managers as far as I can tell don't give a rat's ass if you were an athlete in college. Honestly, if someone brought it up for a professional job, I would think it would be weird. It'd be like they couldn't find anything more relevent to sell themselves on, so I'd be suspicious. I disagree. I think it is a big plus in the business world. Not that it gets asked about in the interview but it does get talked about in the small talk before and after.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2013 7:30:55 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't ever recall on any job I've ever applied for or seen that your athletic history was a factor. It's never even come up in any job interview I've ever had. Most hiring managers as far as I can tell don't give a rat's ass if you were an athlete in college. Honestly, if someone brought it up for a professional job, I would think it would be weird. It'd be like they couldn't find anything more relevent to sell themselves on, so I'd be suspicious. I stick by my stance that hiring managers are varied. I'm sure there are some that would think that is very cool, and others who were date raped by the quarterback on the high school team and it would be an instant turn-off. And, I think there are a bunch of people that don't care. Given that there are hundreds of millions of jobs, that means there are hundreds of millions of hiring managers. I bet you can find 350,000 that agree on any one particular thing.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 8:13:43 GMT -5
I've found the only hiring managers that cared that I was an athlete were managers that were athletes.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 8:15:02 GMT -5
However, I do think I learned dome valuable skills in sports that translate to business, but I'm sure I could have gotten those skills elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 8:45:01 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't ever recall on any job I've ever applied for or seen that your athletic history was a factor. It's never even come up in any job interview I've ever had. Most hiring managers as far as I can tell don't give a rat's ass if you were an athlete in college. Honestly, if someone brought it up for a professional job, I would think it would be weird. It'd be like they couldn't find anything more relevent to sell themselves on, so I'd be suspicious. Don't underestimate the importance of learning to work as a team, which a lot of kids learn by playing sports. Or maybe not. Not everything you do in life is or should be in preparation for your working years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 9:24:56 GMT -5
A few things on this topic:
1) Your friends sound a little douchey to be honest. I know a lot of people who want their kids to be involved with sports, but there is a difference between that and looking at it like a college savings plan.
2) What is as equally annoying to me is the whole “Let kids just play” crowd as if it’s bad to have some activities or outings planned. I think the baby boomer generation has gotten very crafty at turning a negative (pays little attention to their kids) to a positive (I “Let my kids play”). I don’t hold any grudges against my mom, but I have no recollection of her really doing that many things with me (playing outside when I was younger, playing games, doing other stuff). My dad, on the other hand, was the one that was more likely to take us on hikes, be more engaged with sports, and would toss us around the pool. I don’t look back on my childhood and think “I wish my dad would’ve just “let us play”
Besides, I think that this whole idea that kids don’t know how to play is non-sense anyways. It’s one of those things that has gotten repeated enough so now it’s viewed as gospel.
3) My opinion with sports is that I’m cool with it as long as my kids have fun. Personally, I loved gradeschool sports and hated sports when we got to high school (when it got more competitive). Grade school was awesome because you basically had 1 practice a week and a couple games. From there, it was a somewhat level playing field because everyone was putting in the same time. When I started playing HS soccer/baseball, that’s where I started to decline in relation to my peers. They started putting more time into sports (batting cages, baseball camps, etc) and I didn’t want to. Yeah, I realize I could get better by doing a lot more…but I knew I wasn’t playing in college, so why waste all that time? Does that make me lazy? (probably)
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 21, 2013 9:32:44 GMT -5
Phoenix84 - It's not a job she sees on TV, but it's one she sees in real life. I would say the same is probably true for Miss M's kid. The person at McDonalds works at McDonalds, which as a kid, is a pretty cool place to work. And for DD, while working at a grocery store may not be cool, again, there are 7 years of her life that I know pretty much nothing about, and it's very possible that that may have seemed like the most stable job around during that time, or that others in her life pretty much told her that that was the best she could hope for. That's all speculation on my part. All I really know about those 7 years is that they were chaotic and that at 5, she had to care for 2-3 younger siblings. Next time the subject comes up, I'd ask why she wants to be a cashier. At 10, I think I wanted to be an archaeologist.
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 9:49:27 GMT -5
Maybe my kids are unusually shallow, but they've been inspired to aspire to certain jobs simply because the worker gets to wear a "cool" uniform... Shanendoah's daughter may be reacting to something as innocuous as "whoa, that lady at McDonald's with the nifty dangly earrings I'm not allowed to wear also gets to wear a zippy blue visor! I so want to be that when I grow up!" Nothing wrong with younger kids identifying with things they like or are interested in. And, IMHO, doesn't mean that the daughter doesn't have drive and will end up living in a cardboard box. I think this is just as normal as wanting to play dress up. But I could be wrong. Ask me in 10 years and I'll let you know if my younger son is working at Target so he can rock that awesome red vest.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 21, 2013 9:56:34 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't ever recall on any job I've ever applied for or seen that your athletic history was a factor. It's never even come up in any job interview I've ever had. Most hiring managers as far as I can tell don't give a rat's ass if you were an athlete in college. Honestly, if someone brought it up for a professional job, I would think it would be weird. It'd be like they couldn't find anything more relevent to sell themselves on, so I'd be suspicious. I disagree. I think it is a big plus in the business world. Not that it gets asked about in the interview but it does get talked about in the small talk before and after. Are you talking about guys chatting about the local sports teams, or guys reliving their glory days as sports stars? I've had plenty of coworkers who clearly never played sports at the college level but still talk about sports constantly.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 21, 2013 9:59:27 GMT -5
A few things on this topic: Besides, I think that this whole idea that kids don’t know how to play is non-sense anyways. It’s one of those things that has gotten repeated enough so now it’s viewed as gospel. 3) My opinion with sports is that I’m cool with it as long as my kids have fun. Personally, I loved gradeschool sports and hated sports when we got to high school (when it got more competitive). Grade school was awesome because you basically had 1 practice a week and a couple games. Agreed! Kids "don't know how to play" because parents hover and helicopter them. I don't remember my mom hovering over my sister and our friends when we were little, settling disputes, organizing our games, etc. It is way over the top anymore. Also, agreed on the high school sports. I'm really glad neither of my boys played football. To even be considered for the high school team you have to have played with the "right" teams through elementary and middle school, and consistently - take a year off and you're OUT! Here, high school football practice begins the week school gets out for the summer. Two-a-days. Go on vacation with your family, miss those mandatory practices and again, you're OUT. My BFFs son played football all through elementary school, middle school, and high school. His junior summer their family took a vacation to Hawaii (that they'd been saving and planning for for several years). Because her son missed a week of summer practice he never did get any playing time his senior year. I was so hurt and angry for him! Can't even describe what his parents felt...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:01:16 GMT -5
I disagree. I think it is a big plus in the business world. Not that it gets asked about in the interview but it does get talked about in the small talk before and after. Are you talking about guys chatting about the local sports teams, or guys reliving their glory days as sports stars? I've had plenty of coworkers who clearly never played sports at the college level but still talk about sports constantly. I am not talking about guys who fawn over their favorite teams and talk fantasy with other coworkers who do the same. I am talking about former collegiate athletes who talk to other former athletes about their time playing and then about their golf or tennis handicaps.
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2013 10:07:05 GMT -5
Having a good golf handicap definitely opens doors in business, not matter if you played on the college team or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:14:53 GMT -5
Are you talking about guys chatting about the local sports teams, or guys reliving their glory days as sports stars? I've had plenty of coworkers who clearly never played sports at the college level but still talk about sports constantly. I am not talking about guys who fawn over their favorite teams and talk fantasy with other coworkers who do the same. I am talking about former collegiate athletes who talk to other former athletes about their time playing and then about their golf or tennis handicaps. Ehh....I think that's a little bit of a stretch. I've never heard any person talk about HS/College sports for any extended period of time. General sports/fantasy talk would do more to connect people than talking about playing sports in college.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:16:01 GMT -5
I am not talking about guys who fawn over their favorite teams and talk fantasy with other coworkers who do the same. I am talking about former collegiate athletes who talk to other former athletes about their time playing and then about their golf or tennis handicaps. Ehh....I think that's a little bit of a stretch. I've never heard any person talk about HS/College sports for any extended period of time. General sports/fantasy talk would do more to connect people than talking about playing sports in college. I cannot imagine an executive talking fantasy sports...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:17:25 GMT -5
Having a good golf handicap definitely opens doors in business, not matter if you played on the college team or not. True. but these friggen athletes are good at everything. While I struggle to get the ball off the ground.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 10:19:04 GMT -5
Having a good golf handicap definitely opens doors in business, not matter if you played on the college team or not. True. but these friggen athletes are good at everything. While I struggle to get the ball off the ground. Seriously?! Archie, my image of you is shattered!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:20:40 GMT -5
True. but these friggen athletes are good at everything. While I struggle to get the ball off the ground. Seriously?! Archie, my image of you is shattered! I focus on sculpting my body to look beautiful rather than conditioning it to do anything useful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:23:04 GMT -5
True. but these friggen athletes are good at everything. While I struggle to get the ball off the ground. Seriously?! Archie, my image of you is shattered! I know, right?!
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 10:23:51 GMT -5
I will now refer to Archie as "Worm Burner"
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Post by imawino on Aug 21, 2013 10:24:31 GMT -5
Seriously?! Archie, my image of you is shattered! I focus on sculpting my body to look beautiful rather than conditioning it to do anything useful. Looking beautiful isn't useful? Great. My entire life plan has just crumbled down around me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:25:23 GMT -5
I will now refer to Archie as "Worm Burner" every shot. Every friggen shot. keep your head down they say. I am keeping my head down. Keep your head down they say again. F You. I guess it is better than being in the office. Some days.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 10:25:45 GMT -5
I focus on sculpting my body to look beautiful rather than conditioning it to do anything useful. Looking beautiful isn't useful? Great. My entire life plan has just crumbled down around me. You're a chick. Looking beautiful is a marketable skill.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 10:26:31 GMT -5
I will now refer to Archie as "Worm Burner" every shot. Every friggen shot. keep your head down they say. I am keeping my head down. Keep your head down they say again. F You. I guess it is better than being in the office. Some days. Do you know how to hit a hockey slap shot? Same motion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:27:11 GMT -5
every shot. Every friggen shot. keep your head down they say. I am keeping my head down. Keep your head down they say again. F You. I guess it is better than being in the office. Some days. Do you know how to hit a hockey slap shot? Same motion. Do I know how to do what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:27:44 GMT -5
It has taken me 8 years of playing in a league to figure out how to chip and putt. Hang in there! Your body will figure it out eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:29:49 GMT -5
Do you know how to hit a hockey slap shot? Same motion. Do I know how to do what? Really?!?! .....thank God you're pretty.
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Post by imawino on Aug 21, 2013 10:31:07 GMT -5
Blargh. Stop talking about golf. Some of us are trying to look pretty over here. And not die of boredom.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2013 10:31:54 GMT -5
Blargh. Stop talking about golf. Some of us are trying to look pretty over here. And not die of boredom. And you are doing a fantastic job! Keep up the good work!!
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