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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2013 10:19:09 GMT -5
I was there. It was mild humor at best. All the thin skinned liberals here have nothing to worry about in regards to their much loved president being poked fun of at a very redneck rodeo in Missouri. If it bothers Y'all that much, just pretend it was a George Bush mask. I have to wonder what the reaction would be if, when Bush was president, there was a football game between two mostly black universities and the halftime show featured someone in a W Bush mask wearing an oversized cowboy hat being chased by the team mascots while the announcer faked a cowboy accent and urged the mascots to 'rope and brand that bull!" while the crowd cheered thunderously. I have a feeling all the people claiming 'free speech' about the Obama mask at the rodeo would be singing a different tune.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 13, 2013 11:02:48 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not, and if you are active U.S. military, President Obama is your Commander In Chief. Then I will assume hurley's "our" applied to herself, and not to folks on here in general. Sorry for misreading, hurley... and thank you for your service. No, I am not in the military, but as a citizen of the United States, I am protected by a military that calls him their Commander In Chief, therefor, he is my CinC. You may not see it that way, but regardless, he is your President.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 11:07:11 GMT -5
I was there. It was mild humor at best. All the thin skinned liberals here have nothing to worry about in regards to their much loved president being poked fun of at a very redneck rodeo in Missouri. If it bothers Y'all that much, just pretend it was a George Bush mask. I have to wonder what the reaction would be if, when Bush was president, there was a football game between two mostly black universities and the halftime show featured someone in a W Bush mask wearing an oversized cowboy hat being chased by the team mascots while the announcer faked a cowboy accent and urged the mascots to 'rope and brand that bull!" while the crowd cheered thunderously. I have a feeling all the people claiming 'free speech' about the Obama mask at the rodeo would be singing a different tune. I really can't compare a actual event to a hypothetical situation. I view hypothetical situations as a exercise in creative story telling. You can't feel the mood of the spectators or see their reaction first hand. The best and most creative and descriptive story "wins" the discussion. Good for fiction, not so good when compared to reality. Half or more of the people sitting around me weren't even paying attention. The other half laughed and forgot about it 2 minutes later. You know how Fox plays to their audience, the liberal stations do the same thing. You just have to see it.
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Post by usaone on Aug 13, 2013 11:21:55 GMT -5
As long as barry keeps acting like a buffoon.....Then he will be treated as one. This is why we never win elections anymore. Very sad.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 13, 2013 11:32:21 GMT -5
Equally nasty things have happened when Bush was in office, but since they were largely not reported by the mainstream press, there was not the large outcry over it. That is the difference.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 13, 2013 11:42:44 GMT -5
Look at Paul's post below yours. Do you remember any of the calls for Bush's death making it to the national news? Yeah, didn't think so. And there is a reason for this, the striking power of bias--in the mainstream media.
What went on in the rodeo was nasty and uncalled for, and they were called out on it by the governer, for good reason. But this type of thing isn't anything that didn't go on when Bush was in office.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2013 12:51:15 GMT -5
Look at Paul's post below yours. Do you remember any of the calls for Bush's death making it to the national news? Yeah, didn't think so. And there is a reason for this, the striking power of bias--in the mainstream media. What went on in the rodeo was nasty and uncalled for, and they were called out on it by the governer, for good reason. But this type of thing isn't anything that didn't go on when Bush was in office. The examples I've seen provided showing hatred towards Bush seemed to all be street protests or individual shop owners putting postings in their stores. This kind of thing does fall under free speech, whether it's someone being nasty about a politician, or having a rally for the KKK or a pro-choice rally. If you don't agree with them, you don't pay attention to them, or you don't shop in that particular store. During the Bush years, was there an example of an event sponsored by a large organization (in this case, a State) where one of the employees got up in front of 3000 people and mocked W?
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 13:33:22 GMT -5
AGB, Thanks for the post. I've been without TV/cable for over 6 years so I may have missed some of these. The two top videos you posted appear to be done by individuals with very few bystanders. Not good at all, especially the top one, but they don't appear that public or supported by tax dollars. The second one IMO appears more as a protest against the war than anything else. In the not cool and unacceptable category: all the images calling for Bush's death literally or figuratively, i.e. shot to the head etc. Hate Bush, Hate Obama, still protected speech. Not great, but still on the correct side of the line. (The get free cupcakes of course shows a serious lack of class.) I responded to your comments about respect and dissing a president, public events as opposed to private parties, and wanting evidence. If you want to "yeah but" the evidence presented, feel free, but I don't plan to entertain you every time you move the bar. If you want to believe it didn't happen, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it's ignorant (imo, of course).
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 13:40:28 GMT -5
Then I will assume hurley's "our" applied to herself, and not to folks on here in general. Sorry for misreading, hurley... and thank you for your service. No, I am not in the military, but as a citizen of the United States, I am protected by a military that calls him their Commander In Chief, therefor, he is my CinC. You may not see it that way, but regardless, he is your President. Thanks for clarifying, and no, I don't see it that way. He is my president, and I respect the office he holds.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 13, 2013 13:53:51 GMT -5
Well, first off, many of the organizations putting on these nasty protests are very large, probably a heck of a lot larger and with bigger budgets than the comittee to put on a state fair. And you're also assuming that this whole thing was planned ahead of time and approved by the higher ups, which is a rather silly assumption to make since there were only two people directly involved and their act isn't necessiarly scripted.
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 13:58:41 GMT -5
Well, first off, many of the organizations putting on these nasty protests are very large, probably a heck of a lot larger and with bigger budgets than the comittee to put on a state fair. And you're also assuming that this whole thing was planned ahead of time and approved by the higher ups, which is a rather silly assumption to make since there were only two people directly involved and their act isn't necessiarly scripted. Missouri fair bans rodeo clown wearing Obama maskJEFFERSON CITY, Mo. The Missouri State Fair on Monday imposed a lifetime ban on a rodeo clown whose depiction of President Barack Obama getting charged by a bull was widely criticized by Democratic and Republican officials alike. The rodeo clown won't be allowed to participate or perform at the fair again. Fair officials say they're also reviewing whether to take any action against the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association, the contractor responsible for Saturday's event. [...] At least one person defended him. David Berry, a Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association member who was at Saturday's event, described the clown as a friend and said there was nothing offensive or unusual about his actions. Berry said the Obama character was meant to look like a dummy and that rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents. [...] The rodeo's announcer — whom some media initially identified as making the comments about Obama — sought Monday to distance himself from the clown's actions. Announcer Mark Ficken said through an attorney that the clown was wearing a live microphone and had given the announcer no advance notice about the skit. [...]
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2013 14:08:28 GMT -5
AGB, Thanks for the post. I've been without TV/cable for over 6 years so I may have missed some of these. The two top videos you posted appear to be done by individuals with very few bystanders. Not good at all, especially the top one, but they don't appear that public or supported by tax dollars. The second one IMO appears more as a protest against the war than anything else. In the not cool and unacceptable category: all the images calling for Bush's death literally or figuratively, i.e. shot to the head etc. Hate Bush, Hate Obama, still protected speech. Not great, but still on the correct side of the line. (The get free cupcakes of course shows a serious lack of class.) half of the images are in the "I Hate Bush" category. perfectly acceptable speech, imo. the other half call for him to be killed, or show him being killed. not ok at all, imo. but it is one thing for an individual to do this, and another thing for it to be part of the "entertainment" at a public event.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2013 14:09:30 GMT -5
Well, first off, many of the organizations putting on these nasty protests are very large, probably a heck of a lot larger and with bigger budgets than the comittee to put on a state fair. And you're also assuming that this whole thing was planned ahead of time and approved by the higher ups, which is a rather silly assumption to make since there were only two people directly involved and their act isn't necessiarly scripted. Missouri fair bans rodeo clown wearing Obama maskJEFFERSON CITY, Mo. The Missouri State Fair on Monday imposed a lifetime ban on a rodeo clown whose depiction of President Barack Obama getting charged by a bull was widely criticized by Democratic and Republican officials alike. The rodeo clown won't be allowed to participate or perform at the fair again. Fair officials say they're also reviewing whether to take any action against the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association, the contractor responsible for Saturday's event. [...] At least one person defended him. David Berry, a Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association member who was at Saturday's event, described the clown as a friend and said there was nothing offensive or unusual about his actions. Berry said the Obama character was meant to look like a dummy and that rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents. [...] The rodeo's announcer — whom some media initially identified as making the comments about Obama — sought Monday to distance himself from the clown's actions. Announcer Mark Ficken said through an attorney that the clown was wearing a live microphone and had given the announcer no advance notice about the skit. [...] i love this country. clown banning. awesome.
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Post by workpublic on Aug 13, 2013 14:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 14:25:07 GMT -5
Missouri fair bans rodeo clown wearing Obama maskJEFFERSON CITY, Mo. The Missouri State Fair on Monday imposed a lifetime ban on a rodeo clown whose depiction of President Barack Obama getting charged by a bull was widely criticized by Democratic and Republican officials alike. The rodeo clown won't be allowed to participate or perform at the fair again. Fair officials say they're also reviewing whether to take any action against the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association, the contractor responsible for Saturday's event. [...] At least one person defended him. David Berry, a Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association member who was at Saturday's event, described the clown as a friend and said there was nothing offensive or unusual about his actions. Berry said the Obama character was meant to look like a dummy and that rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents. [...] The rodeo's announcer — whom some media initially identified as making the comments about Obama — sought Monday to distance himself from the clown's actions. Announcer Mark Ficken said through an attorney that the clown was wearing a live microphone and had given the announcer no advance notice about the skit. [...] i love this country. clown banning. awesome. It's one of the consequences of having to prove you're not a racist. I found it interesting that "rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents."
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Post by workpublic on Aug 13, 2013 14:36:58 GMT -5
rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents that was my no shit sherlock moment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2013 14:44:52 GMT -5
i love this country. clown banning. awesome. It's one of the consequences of having to prove you're not a racist. I found it interesting that "rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents." yes, that was interesting. however, it doesn't actually say very much. what was offensive in this situation was what the announcer said. unless someone wants to do a tremendous amount of research, i am thinking we are not going to get a clear picture of how "unique" this particular situation was.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2013 14:45:33 GMT -5
rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents that was my no shit sherlock moment. it may also have been immaterial to the discussion, for reasons articulated above.
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 14:46:56 GMT -5
rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents that was my no shit sherlock moment. Inorite, but there are people who demanded evidence.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 13, 2013 14:48:24 GMT -5
rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents that was my no shit sherlock moment. Inorite, but there are people who demanded evidence. Not unusual, I'm afraid. If you're going to claim it, you'd best be able to produce some evidence it exists. People have every right to question.
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Post by AGB on Aug 13, 2013 14:49:56 GMT -5
It's one of the consequences of having to prove you're not a racist. I found it interesting that "rodeo clowns have long performed such acts, often imitating sitting presidents." yes, that was interesting. however, it doesn't actually say very much. what was offensive in this situation was what the announcer said. unless someone wants to do a tremendous amount of research, i am thinking we are not going to get a clear picture of how "unique" this particular situation was. The announcer didn't say anything, only the clown. I've already posted a youtube vid that showed a less than overwhelming reaction from the crowd, certainly no wild, thunderous applause. If that is what kkk rallies are like, they are kinda boring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2013 15:04:11 GMT -5
yes, that was interesting. however, it doesn't actually say very much. what was offensive in this situation was what the announcer said. unless someone wants to do a tremendous amount of research, i am thinking we are not going to get a clear picture of how "unique" this particular situation was. The announcer didn't say anything, only the clown. weird. never seen a rodeo clown talk before. always the announcer.I've already posted a youtube vid missed that. my apologies.that showed a less than overwhelming reaction from the crowd, certainly no wild, thunderous applause. If that is what kkk rallies are like, they are kinda boring. never mentioned the kkk.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2013 18:17:24 GMT -5
No, I am not in the military, but as a citizen of the United States, I am protected by a military that calls him their Commander In Chief, therefor, he is my CinC. You may not see it that way, but regardless, he is your President. Thanks for clarifying, and no, I don't see it that way. He is my president, and I respect the office he holds. You may not see it that way but Article II of the Constitution says otherwise. See Section 2 (presidential powers) clause 1. Article Two of the United States Constitution
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Post by AGB on Aug 14, 2013 7:04:20 GMT -5
The announcer didn't say anything, only the clown. weird. never seen a rodeo clown talk before. always the announcer.I've already posted a youtube vid missed that. my apologies.that showed a less than overwhelming reaction from the crowd, certainly no wild, thunderous applause. If that is what kkk rallies are like, they are kinda boring. never mentioned the kkk. I don't go to many rodeos, or klan rallies, but both details came from articles about this story.
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Post by AGB on Aug 14, 2013 7:06:50 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying, and no, I don't see it that way. He is my president, and I respect the office he holds. You may not see it that way but Article II of the Constitution says otherwise. See Section 2 (presidential powers) clause 1. Article Two of the United States Constitution Sorry, still not seeing it.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 14, 2013 8:17:45 GMT -5
Amazing how much hand wringing there is over this. Unbelievable. After 8 yrs of Bush bashing how dare anyone whine about some dis to Obama. But, so what if it is a dis? It is a free country and we have no obligation to bow down to him like a king.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 14, 2013 9:22:12 GMT -5
Well, considering the fact that a rodeo clown's job is to keep the bulls from killing dismounted riders by distracting the bulls and then hopping into a barrel for safety, I imagine any immitation of a sitting president would be unflattering. The most unique thing about this situation is that the curernt president is black and the vast majority of the folks at this event were white.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2013 9:22:26 GMT -5
I don't go to many rodeos, or klan rallies, but both details came from articles about this story. listened to the video, and i don't think it is the clown who is talking.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2013 9:24:35 GMT -5
Amazing how much hand wringing there is over this. Unbelievable. After 8 yrs of Bush bashing how dare anyone whine about some dis to Obama. this has nothing to do with "bashing". if i say "i want to kill Bush" that is not a criticism of Bush. that is a threat. But, so what if it is a dis? It is a free country and we have no obligation to bow down to him like a king. threatening people is not a civil right. the man is a pigbastard, and should be charged with war crimes, imo- but to threaten him with bodily harm is another matter entirely. do you seriously NOT get that?
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