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Post by mmhmm on Aug 12, 2013 13:31:37 GMT -5
You don't understand! It ONLY racist when it's directed at blacks or democrats. If you're white and Republican, it's all good. Bull hockey.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 12, 2013 13:37:32 GMT -5
I stand corrected!
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2013 13:38:26 GMT -5
Zib, no it is not. Could you imagine a rodeo clown with a W mask with clowns pulling on its ears and an announcer saying something like, I'll show you a WMD W? I can't. If it happened I would condemn it too. What you may not know and I only bring up occasionally is my Mom really didn't like W. Strongly. I often derailed her rants because just because he wasn't as educated or into intelligence like her preferred Presidents he was still the President and he had his good points.
My nature is not violent or cruel so in general I wouldn't derive any joy from watching something like the rodeo thing no matter who it targeted. (And by the way, what up about the racism? This is about dis-respect and it came up too during Bush bashing. People were rightly told on P&M to keep it under control concerning W as POTUS and any POTUS for that matter.)
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2013 13:47:00 GMT -5
Zib, no it is not. Could you imagine a rodeo clown with a W mask with clowns pulling on its ears and an announcer saying something like, I'll show you a WMD W? I can't. If it happened I would condemn it too. What you may not know and I only bring up occasionally is my Mom really didn't like W. Strongly. I often derailed her rants because just because he wasn't as educated or into intelligence like her preferred Presidents he was still the President and he had his good points. My nature is not violent or cruel so in general I wouldn't derive any joy from watching something like the rodeo thing no matter who it targeted. (And by the way, what up about the racism? This is about dis-respect and it came up too during Bush bashing. People were rightly told on P&M to keep it under control concerning W as POTUS and any POTUS for that matter.) again- when did we get so SMALL as a nation? or is it that we were always small, and now feel at home flying that freak flag?
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 12, 2013 13:51:33 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 12, 2013 13:53:04 GMT -5
We've always been this small. We just glossed over a lot of it. At the same time that we were kicking Hitler's ass (a period quite a few Americans view as our nations high point) we had thousands of Japanese Americans in internment camps, blacks were legally treated like shit, and some of them were still lynched when some good ol' boys got bored and needed something to kill time on a random Saturday, other minorities were still second class citizens too of course, women were far from equal with men even the white ones, etc., etc.
People are, were, and probably always will be fucking assholes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -5
...and PROUD to be just that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2013 14:00:42 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama. read my rictus: IT IS NOT OK NO MATTER WHO DOES IT
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 12, 2013 14:01:48 GMT -5
I couldn't either, mainly because W was pretty popular with the rodeo attending crowd. But if you're talking about other events where mostly left leaning people congregate, I think you're being incredibly nieve to pretend this type of thing never happened while W, Nixon or Reagan was in office. It may have not been reported by the mostly left leaning mainstream press, who didn't want to make those on the left look bad, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
You're talking about one rather smallish event that draws a very specific crowd. Chill out. It's not like this happened at an NFL game.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2013 14:06:03 GMT -5
I couldn't either, mainly because W was pretty popular with the rodeo attending crowd. But if you're talking about other events where mostly left leaning people congregate, I think you're being incredibly nieve to pretend this type of thing never happened while W, Nixon or Reagan was in office. It may have not been reported by the mostly left leaning mainstream press, who didn't want to make those on the left look bad, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're talking about one rather smallish event that draws a very specific crowd. Chill out. It's not like this happened at an NFL game. again, it is wrong no matter when or where it happens. and i doubt you would find Bush Bashing at an NFL event either, to extend your logic.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 12, 2013 14:07:05 GMT -5
I couldn't either, mainly because W was pretty popular with the rodeo attending crowd. But if you're talking about other events where mostly left leaning people congregate, I think you're being incredibly nieve to pretend this type of thing never happened while W, Nixon or Reagan was in office. It may have not been reported by the mostly left leaning mainstream press, who didn't want to make those on the left look bad, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're talking about one rather smallish event that draws a very specific crowd. Chill out. It's not like this happened at an NFL game. More bull hockey.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:23:50 GMT -5
Free speech is great isnt it? I don't see the big deal. I don't think the hate Obama has gotten is any worse than what Bush got. It is entertaining to watch the left stew about it though, now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now that their man is in the white house, it's all about how we should respect and revere him.
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Post by workpublic on Aug 12, 2013 14:25:41 GMT -5
i condemn all such speech. do you?
no.
i believe in free speech.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:27:14 GMT -5
What was the intent of playing with the lips of the Obama mask? Several thoughts come to mind. Apparently you've never seen a political cartoon in your lifetime. Feature exxageration is common.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:39:53 GMT -5
While I get that some don't like Obama (and some absolutely despise him), this is an embarassment to our country to act like this. Do we really think England would play "trample the prime minister?" I agree with the person in the article that said we are better than this. All this does is make us look like a country of disrespectful baffoons to the rest of the world. This is far beyond a SNL spoof or a joke on Comedy Central. This is actively applauding violence on our Commander in Chief, and shows an extreme lack of class. Really? Apparantly you weren't paying attention when Margaret Thatcher died. www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/08/wrd-margaret-thatcher-death-reaction.htmlPeople were organizing parties and cracking open bottles of champaign. After the monarchy announced Monday that Thatcher will receive a ceremonial funeral with military honours at St. Paul's Cathedral in the coming days, many posted on Twitter complaining about the decision. Thatcher was described as a "terrorist" by Nelson Mandela. "May she burn in the hellfires" tweeted British MP George Galloway. Two hours earlier, he sent out the controversial tweet apparently referring to an Elvis Costello song, Tramp the dirt down. I recall seeing on the news people gathering in public and singing "Ding Dong the witch is dead." So I don't think the British have a right to get up on their high horse and berate us for our treatment of Obama.
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Post by mtman on Aug 12, 2013 14:40:07 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama. Amazing isn't it......It's always been ok to trash white folk......But say anything about blacks, and even mention anything derogatory about our BPOTUS....... You be a racist
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:43:35 GMT -5
Unbelievable.... what is the MOST painful for me is that we can't universally condemn this kind of thing. In my experience, it's "condemn until it's the other guy in office." You personally may be impartial DJ, but lots of people have short memories when it came to Bush and how he was treated.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2013 14:45:24 GMT -5
Free speech is great isnt it? I don't see the big deal. I don't think the hate Obama has gotten is any worse than what Bush got. It is entertaining to watch the left stew about it though, now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now that their man is in the white house, it's all about how we should respect and revere him. I don't think anyone on P&M is telling you to revere him. That must becoming from you or your RL. We are saying there should be a measure of respect for the man and the office. I do think it is worse than what Bush got. Its more personal and uses much more tar & feathers. Bush was mostly disliked for his policies and what he did. Obama is reviled and hated for his policies, what he's done, anything that might possibly be linked to him, and all sorts of fear/hatred based on a made up conservative bio for him. Even Clinton mostly just got trashed about affairs and money issues. The made up bios were much smaller in scope and he was in a televised trial as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 14:45:32 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama. Amazing isn't it......It's always been ok to trash white folk......But say anything about blacks, and even mention anything derogatory about our BPOTUS....... You be a racist Nah. That is NOT what makes you a racist. Being a racist isn't predicated upon an isolated/ random, poorly-considered remark. When the nastiness is habitual and chronic, however... it's hard to conceal that racism from the observant and the astute.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2013 14:51:05 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama. Amazing isn't it......It's always been ok to trash white folk......But say anything about blacks, and even mention anything derogatory about our BPOTUS....... You be a racist Get over your mis-read of the situation. Its about respect not racism. If we dissed you anywhere near what Obama endures you'd be whining constantly IMO. Nixon bashing was mostly Watergate and the aftermath. It did go on a long time, but again no public incidents like this one ever hit the media. You'll can pretend this happened before to other Presidents, but show me the stories!!! Where is the evidence? Could it have happened at private parties? Sure. Probably happens for Obama now too. But in public as part of the entertainment when its not comedy or a roast? Yep, so far you'll got nothing. Just assertions with no evidence.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:54:32 GMT -5
Free speech is great isnt it? I don't see the big deal. I don't think the hate Obama has gotten is any worse than what Bush got. It is entertaining to watch the left stew about it though, now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now that their man is in the white house, it's all about how we should respect and revere him. I don't think anyone on P&M is telling you to revere him. That must becoming from you or your RL. We are saying there should be a measure of respect for the man and the office. I do think it is worse than what Bush got. Its more personal and uses much more tar & feathers. Bush was mostly disliked for his policies and what he did. Obama is reviled and hated for his policies, what he's done, anything that might possibly be linked to him, and all sorts of fear/hatred based on a made up conservative bio for him. Even Clinton mostly just got trashed about affairs and money issues. The made up bios were much smaller in scope and he was in a televised trial as well. I don't have any specific examples of Bush Trashing, or even Obama trashing. Personally I steer clear of stuff like that. I just don't find it amusing, regardless of the person in question. But I support people having free speech and being critical of their leaders. Even if it's trashy. There's plenty to not like about Obama without restorting to theatrics. Don't get me wrong though, I think Obama is an aweful president who has likely done irreparable harm to the country. I think the full extent of his bad policies will become clearer in the coming years.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2013 14:56:14 GMT -5
And lots of people have exaggerated memories and the inability to fairly compare things that happened recently versus things that happened in the past. I remember enough. The bashing of W's background for example was small in scope and nowhere near as constant. He was seen as the lesser brother and a party animal, but nothing made up or contrived.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2013 14:57:22 GMT -5
You also can't forget Palin, some of the stuff put out about her is vile.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 12, 2013 15:06:32 GMT -5
Free speech is great isnt it? I don't see the big deal. I don't think the hate Obama has gotten is any worse than what Bush got. It is entertaining to watch the left stew about it though, now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now that their man is in the white house, it's all about how we should respect and revere him. I know a lot of poeple didnt like Bush, but I definitely do not recall large groups of people at events and gathering wishing him physical harm. That is going to far in my opinion.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 12, 2013 15:13:52 GMT -5
While I get that some don't like Obama (and some absolutely despise him), this is an embarassment to our country to act like this. Do we really think England would play "trample the prime minister?" I agree with the person in the article that said we are better than this. All this does is make us look like a country of disrespectful baffoons to the rest of the world. This is far beyond a SNL spoof or a joke on Comedy Central. This is actively applauding violence on our Commander in Chief, and shows an extreme lack of class. Really? Apparantly you weren't paying attention when Margaret Thatcher died. www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/08/wrd-margaret-thatcher-death-reaction.htmlPeople were organizing parties and cracking open bottles of champaign. After the monarchy announced Monday that Thatcher will receive a ceremonial funeral with military honours at St. Paul's Cathedral in the coming days, many posted on Twitter complaining about the decision. Thatcher was described as a "terrorist" by Nelson Mandela. "May she burn in the hellfires" tweeted British MP George Galloway. Two hours earlier, he sent out the controversial tweet apparently referring to an Elvis Costello song, Tramp the dirt down. I recall seeing on the news people gathering in public and singing "Ding Dong the witch is dead." So I don't think the British have a right to get up on their high horse and berate us for our treatment of Obama. I've already acknowledged this from another poster. And I was the one who brought up the British, so I'm not sure where you get the idea they are up on their high horses and berating us. I still don't think they way they celebrated when Thatcher died is any kind of reason for it to be acceptable for the way Obama was treated at the fair. In my opinion, we should both be ashamed of such childish behavior. And I'm sure the people of Brittain were not looked fondly of after the "witch is dead" incident.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 12, 2013 15:23:16 GMT -5
Which ones, specifically?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 12, 2013 15:45:28 GMT -5
I remember the Nixon bashing and the ford bashing and the bush bashing but it was okay for them to be bashed but racist if its Obama. I remember when Bush Jr was in office. I live in a very conservative area, and if I made a comment that I thought Bush made a mistake looking for WMD's I was usually jumped on because 'disagreeing with the President in a time of war is not patriotic.' I was scolded that no matter who the president is, even if you disagree with him, it's your patriotic duty to stand behind him when the country is facing a threat. Yet here we are, still in a war on terrorism, and the people around here pass around pictures of Obama as a monkey. If I point out they are being unpatriotic, they scoff and say Obama is not THEIR president.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2013 15:51:10 GMT -5
You also can't forget Palin, some of the stuff put out about her is vile. Another red herring. No public incident by non name performers in a public venue calling for her death. The closest bad thing concerned a comedian and a joke he told about her child. He was roundly rebuked from all corners. (Twy again.)
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Post by workpublic on Aug 12, 2013 15:51:57 GMT -5
'disagreeing with the President in a time of war is not patriotic.' unless the POTUS was kennedy, johnson or nixon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 16:05:15 GMT -5
Amazing isn't it......It's always been ok to trash white folk......But say anything about blacks, and even mention anything derogatory about our BPOTUS....... You be a racist Get over your mis-read of the situation. Its about respect not racism. If we dissed you anywhere near what Obama endures you'd be whining constantly IMO. Nixon bashing was mostly Watergate and the aftermath. It did go on a long time, but again no public incidents like this one ever hit the media. You'll can pretend this happened before to other Presidents, but show me the stories!!! Where is the evidence? Could it have happened at private parties? Sure. Probably happens for Obama now too. But in public as part of the entertainment when its not comedy or a roast? Yep, so far you'll got nothing. Just assertions with no evidence. i remember the saturday night live skits oooh...but its just a joke.....that was the remarks coming back from the left when the right took the bashing a little too hard yeah....a joke seen by millions..... here...we have a small rodeo.....attended by what, 3 thousand? and omg look at the people on the left now..... i didnt like that then.....i dont like this now
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