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Post by zdaddy on Jul 29, 2013 16:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Jul 29, 2013 16:02:14 GMT -5
Don't you know that muslims can't study any religion other than their own, duh?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 29, 2013 16:04:53 GMT -5
Don't you know that muslims can't study any religion other than their own, duh? actually, i think you are being generous. being a Muslim means that you have lost all credibility. even to flip burgers.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 29, 2013 16:05:56 GMT -5
he should have asked her if she has disclosed to her viewers that she is a bigot.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 29, 2013 16:07:18 GMT -5
I saw the interview. Embarrassing for Fox News.
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Post by swamp on Jul 29, 2013 16:07:20 GMT -5
she's not a bigot. she's an upstanding God fearing Christian American. The way Americans are supposed to be.
None of that brown skinned Allah loving praying to Mecca garbage!
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Post by zdaddy on Jul 29, 2013 16:16:21 GMT -5
Looking into her background, I'm amazed Fox still has her on the payroll. I really hope this is a good chance to clean house.
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Post by swamp on Jul 29, 2013 16:19:05 GMT -5
Looking into her background, I'm amazed Fox still has her on the payroll. I really hope this is a good chance to clean house. <<waiting for a certain few posters to show up and defend fox>>
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jul 29, 2013 16:27:00 GMT -5
Not me - I was about to say to the zdaddy that his first mistake was tuning into FOX news.
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Post by zdaddy on Jul 29, 2013 16:35:55 GMT -5
Not me - I was about to say to the zdaddy that his first mistake was tuning into FOX news. Trust me - I didn't hear about this until it became international news. Sadly,there are news stations in the Middle East and Europe pointing to this one interview as an example of what the average American believes. Granted, it seems to be getting blown out of proportion. But there is no reason that this journalist should still have a job IMHO.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 29, 2013 17:19:49 GMT -5
That was painful. Just painful. Ouch.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 29, 2013 17:25:12 GMT -5
Is there something inherently unreasonable or hostile in a journalist's questioning why a Muslim would write a book on Jesus? And is the author's failure to disclose his Muslim background a little shady? Almost as shady as misrepresenting his scholarly credentials? In case you're not up to speed he lied and claimed his PhD in Sociology was a "PhD in history and world religions". www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/07/29/scholarly-misrepresentation/Are we really at a point where the rest of the media isn't just biased, but openly attacks journalists who ask reasonable questions?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 29, 2013 17:29:23 GMT -5
Is there something inherently unreasonable or hostile in a journalist's questioning why a Muslim would write a book on Jesus? And is the author's failure to disclose his Muslim background a little shady? Almost as shady as misrepresenting his scholarly credentials? In case you're not up to speed he lied and claimed his PhD in Sociology was a "PhD in history and world religions". www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/07/29/scholarly-misrepresentation/Are we really at a point where the rest of the media isn't just biased, but openly attacks journalists who ask reasonable questions? I would swear in the Fox interview the book's author stated he disclosed he was Muslim on page two of the book. Is that not true? What does page two state?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 29, 2013 17:34:14 GMT -5
Yet another example of the left thinking they've found a story ripe for one of their prescripted and well rehearsed phony outrage flip outs ending up in a fizzle. Here- take my virtual hanky and wipe that egg off your faces. Can't wait for the post duped again spin on this one.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 29, 2013 17:37:09 GMT -5
Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus? Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity. Seems logical, to me.
*That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events. It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 29, 2013 17:44:24 GMT -5
I can sympathize with the author. I mean... how many times has the peanut gallery demanded to know why I--a Canadian--should feel compelled to discuss American politics on NMSNM. There's some merit to that argument. We can reasonably conclude that if Mr. Aslan believed Christ's teachings--including that Christ was the Son of God, and the Word made flesh--he would be a Christian rather than a Muslim. You cannot follow all of Christ's teachings and be a Muslim, nor can you follow all the tenants of Islam without violating many of Christ's teachings. The two religions are fundamentally different in many respects. Hence we have a book about Christ being authored by a man who has implicitly rejected Christ's teachings in favour of Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine is a competing doctrine in a sense. It's the interviewer's job to ask tough questions--especially tough questions that the audience would likely ask. And one of the toughest but likely questions is: Given you adhere to a competing doctrine, why should we trust your objectivity? She's giving him an opportunity to tell the audience why they should trust his analysis despite the fact that he's implicitly rejected Christ's teachings and adopted the teachings of a "competing" religion. In a sense, she'd be remiss not to ask the question.
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Post by swamp on Jul 29, 2013 17:45:29 GMT -5
You don't have to believe the teachings to study them.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 29, 2013 17:48:58 GMT -5
I think it was a fair question.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 29, 2013 17:51:04 GMT -5
Ms. Green didn't focus on why Mr. Aslan's objectivity should/should not be trusted. Ms. Green wanted to know why a religious scholar, who happens to be Muslim, wrote a book about Jesus, recognized as a prophet by Islam. Seems like a pretty stupid question to me.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 29, 2013 17:52:56 GMT -5
You don't have to believe the teachings to study them. And you don't have to be an American to discuss American politics. And yet posters often ask me why I'm here. Especially when what I have to say about America isn't all that flattering. It's a fair question.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 29, 2013 17:54:52 GMT -5
If that is an example of "massive anti Islamic bias" well then that is quite on par with the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy! LMAO!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 29, 2013 17:55:46 GMT -5
Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus? Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity. Seems logical, to me. *That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events. It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets. mmhmm, P&M Moderator The only logical conclusion here is that this guy's real mission is advancing an Islamic geopolitical point of view. That is why his PhD is in Sociology and hy he wrote his thesis is entitled Global Jihadism as a Transnational Movement: A Theorhetical Framework And it's logical that he would lie about that, because an Associate Professor in the Creative Writing department (what hereally does for a living) whose relevant credential is his terminal MFA in Fiction from Iowa who wrote a thesis on Global Jihad probably wouldn't attract near the audience, and might actually raise more eyebrows than just the uniquely astute journalists at Fox, to his book on Jesus. Face it: You libs have been had. Again. I did literally five seconds of research and discovered the guy is a fraud. He deserved the questions he got, and now he owes an answer to the question of why he outright lied in response to Green's questions.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 29, 2013 17:56:34 GMT -5
Ms. Green didn't focus on why Mr. Aslan's objectivity should/should not be trusted. Ms. Green wanted to know why a religious scholar, who happens to be Muslim, wrote a book about Jesus, recognized as a prophet by Islam. Seems like a pretty stupid question to me. Maybe not everybody in her audience (of millions) knows that Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran. At least part of her job is to ask him questions on behalf of the public.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 29, 2013 17:57:54 GMT -5
Massive Bias? Um yeah a bit overly dramatic. I was disappointed when I opened the thread.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 29, 2013 17:58:58 GMT -5
Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus? Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity. Seems logical, to me. *That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events. It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets. mmhmm, P&M Moderator Hey-if a Muslim cannot write a book about Jesus and the Christian faith then no Christian can write a book about Muhammad and the Muslim faith. Simple!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 29, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5
Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus? Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity. Seems logical, to me. *That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events. It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets. mmhmm, P&M Moderator The only logical conclusion here is that this guy's real mission is advancing an Islamic geopolitical point of view. That is why his PhD is in Sociology and hy he wrote his thesis is entitled Global Jihadism as a Transnational Movement: A Theorhetical Framework And it's logical that he would lie about that, because an Associate Professor in the Creative Writing department (what hereally does for a living) whose relevant credential is his terminal MFA in from Iowa who wrote a thesis on Global Jihad probably wouldn't attract near the audience, and might actually raise more eyebrows than just the uniquely astute journalists at Fox, to his book on Jesus. Face it: You libs have been had. Again. I did literally five seconds of research and discovered the guy is a fraud. He deserved the questions he got, and now he owes an answer to the question of why he outright lied in response to Green's questions. A Ph.D. in sociology is a relevant degree. If he studied religions during that time, I don't see that calling himself a religious scholar is disingenuous.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 29, 2013 18:01:19 GMT -5
Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus? Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity. Seems logical, to me. *That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events. It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets. mmhmm, P&M Moderator Hey-if a Muslim cannot write a book about Jesus and the Christian faith then no Christian can write a book about Muhammad and the Muslim faith. Simple! Let's make a compromise. If a Christian writes a book about Mohammed and shows up on CNN, we won't call it "Massive Anti-Christian Bias" if the interviewer asks why a Christian is interested in Mohammed. Deal? Deal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 29, 2013 18:04:51 GMT -5
Ms. Green didn't focus on why Mr. Aslan's objectivity should/should not be trusted. Ms. Green wanted to know why a religious scholar, who happens to be Muslim, wrote a book about Jesus, recognized as a prophet by Islam. Seems like a pretty stupid question to me. Maybe not everybody in her audience (of millions) knows that Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran. At least part of her job is to ask him questions on behalf of the public. Then they shouldn't even comments about the Muslim religion if they know nothing about it. Yet many citizens in Tennessee (especially Mufreesboro) are up in arms about Muslims in the state. I bet 99% of those ready to run Muslims out of the state don't know Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 29, 2013 18:04:51 GMT -5
You don't have to believe the teachings to study them. And you don't have to be an American to discuss American politics. And yet posters often ask me why I'm here. Especially when what I have to say about America isn't all that flattering. It's a fair question. I disagree. I don't find it fair, at all, Virgil. Being Canadian doesn't make you ineligible to discuss US politics, as long as you're willing to put in the time to learn something about what's being discussed. Mr. Aslan is a scholar in the field of religion. I'd say he's put in the time, wouldn't you?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 29, 2013 18:04:57 GMT -5
Massive Bias? Um yeah a bit overly dramatic. I was disappointed when I opened the thread. The Libs have been trained to freak out at the slightest indication of a wedge issue or story that can be used to illustrate their preconceived notions like Fox is "right wing" and conservatives are racists, bigots, sexists, and homophobes. It's practiced political strategy. That's why I nailed them on this thread. Substantively this thread was shut down by me after 5 seconds of Googling this author's name. They got sucked in by a phony story of allegedly outrageous conduct by their hated Fox News, and it turns out the real story is this Islamist fraud whose Thesis is on Global Jihad and who is an associate professor in the creative writing department.
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