Black Man Who Murdered White Girls In Rampage Says He...

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 17, 2013 17:47:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 17, 2013 16:45:02 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Educators have a profound influence on people.

They can't be held legally responsible for the effects of ideas they disseminate, but morally: absolutely.

If a professor expounds "the plague of the white man" from his lectern and a student puts that philosophy into action, the professor isn't without blood on his hands.

I have no idea if it applies in this case, and I will reiterate that I suspect not.

The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie addressed this.

Wiki (on The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (novel)):

Plot summary

OK... so maybe I embellished a bit on the plot summary, but... just... wow.

[zibazinski]

Really, I thought a majority of my profs were horses asses who taught because they couldn't get and keep a job in the real world. I took everything they said with a grain of salt. I can't imagine being brainwashed by some dipshit who couldn't function in the real world. Know why there's law professors? They can't make a living as lawyers, they're so bad.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 17, 2013 17:57:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 17, 2013 17:47:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie addressed this.

Wiki (on The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (novel)):

Plot summary

OK... so maybe I embellished a bit on the plot summary, but... just... wow.

The most striking similarity however is the way Miss Brodie attempts to predestine the lives of her girls and those around her. She is determined that one of her girls becomes the lover of the school's art master as her proxy and seeks to make this happen. Another incident involves her encouraging a girl in her class to run to Spain and fight for the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War, resulting in her death. This compares with the Calvinist teaching of Predestination, that God has already set out a path for everybody. One of her girls, Sandy Stranger notices this similarity saying:

She thinks she is Providence ... She thinks she is the God of Calvin, the beginning and the End.

Jean Brodie

[Virgil Showlion]

...attempts to predestine the lives of her girls...

Even the Calvinist doctrine only proscribes the ability to predestine to God. As far as I know, the only definitions of "predestine" all explicitly pertain to divine predestination.

"Attempts to predestine" is an oxymoron. Predestination implies omnipotence, and there is no "attempting" for an omnipotent being (to say nothing of the fact that no half-sane human being would consider him/herself omnipotent).

But in the sense that she's morally responsible for manipulating and indoctrinating her students, I agree. Hopefully that's not the central point of the book, because it's buried to the point of irrelevance in soap opera detritus.

[mmhmm]

Folks, I really hate like heck to move a thread like this to the Religious Discussions board, but it's gotten to be more about that than it has about anything else, I'm afraid.  If this is what you wish to discuss, that's great!  Would someone please start a thread in the applicable board?  I'll be happy to move posts from this thread to that one, if you'd like.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Oh come on, it was one little tangent.  We'll go back to talking about the crazy racist murderer... eventually.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 17, 2013 18:32:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...attempts to predestine the lives of her girls...

Even the Calvinist doctrine only proscribes the ability to predestine to God. As far as I know, the only definitions of "predestine" all explicitly pertain to divine predestination.

"Attempts to predestine" is an oxymoron. Predestination implies omnipotence, and there is no "attempting" for an omnipotent being (to say nothing of the fact that no half-sane human being would consider him/herself omnipotent).

But in the sense that she's morally responsible for manipulating and indoctrinating her students, I agree. Hopefully that's not the central point of the book, because it's buried to the point of irrelevance in soap opera detritus.

It's not.  

[Tennesseer]

Jul 17, 2013 18:52:04 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Oh come on, it was one little tangent.  We'll go back to talking about the crazy racist murderer... eventually.

I can do racist killers real well.

No more Calvinism I promise.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 17, 2013 18:48:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Folks, I really hate like heck to move a thread like this to the Religious Discussions board, but it's gotten to be more about that than it has about anything else, I'm afraid.  If this is what you wish to discuss, that's great!  Would someone please start a thread in the applicable board?  I'll be happy to move posts from this thread to that one, if you'd like.

Ratings were plummeting. We had to do something.

ZMTV is running their shockumentary on soda can bludgeoning. How is our regular lineup going to compete with that?

If you tie our hands now, Black Murderer TV goes under. That's a fact.

[mmhmm]

Jul 17, 2013 19:05:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 17, 2013 18:48:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Folks, I really hate like heck to move a thread like this to the Religious Discussions board, but it's gotten to be more about that than it has about anything else, I'm afraid.  If this is what you wish to discuss, that's great!  Would someone please start a thread in the applicable board?  I'll be happy to move posts from this thread to that one, if you'd like.

Ratings were plummeting. We had to do something.

ZMTV is running their shockumentary on soda can bludgeoning. How is our regular lineup going to compete with that?

If you tie our hands now, Black Murderer TV goes under. That's a fact.

ROFL!  Oh, noez!  Where be my bucket?!?

Wait!  Who cares?  I don't even watch TV!

On topic, the lot o' ya! 

[mmhmm]

Jul 17, 2013 18:52:04 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Oh come on, it was one little tangent.  We'll go back to talking about the crazy racist murderer... eventually.

*grin*  Yes.  I believe you will.  I'm naive that way, or so I'm told.

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Jul 17, 2013 16:27:00 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 17, 2013 15:29:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

If you're that immature to be able to be hornswaggled by some whack job who managed to get a job in a college, then you have bigger issues than trying to blame them for your sick tendencies.

Fair point.

Thank you for supplying the perspectives of those who were unable to matriculate or complete college. The "anti-intellectuals" have a right to be heard, too... (before being dismissed as irrelevant, lol).
 "Hornswaggled"(sic)?
 Dagnabbit!

[EVT1]

Jul 17, 2013 18:14:07 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Really, I thought a majority of my profs were horses asses who taught because they couldn't get and keep a job in the real world. I took everything they said with a grain of salt. I can't imagine being brainwashed by some dipshit who couldn't function in the real world. Know why there's law professors? They can't make a living as lawyers, they're so bad.

That is not true at all- at least the school I went to.  I was taught by practicing attorneys and judges, plus some retired.  Of course I took evening classes so I am not sure what their schedules were.  But I can tell you this, I had one class taught by a sitting Justice of the Supreme Court of the state.  From what I remember, crimes, criminal procedure, evidence, restitution and remedies were taught by active judges and one chancellor.

Interesting note- I got called for jury duty on a death penalty case presided by my evidence instructor   Got out of that one.  I am sure Harvard or Yale is populated by some legal scholars, but like business schools I doubt they are devoid of experience.  I am quite sure they could find employment as a lawyer.

[zibazinski]

Considering there are more lawyers than jobs for them, I doubt it.

[Angel!]

I think as you move into masters & doctorate degrees you definitely get professors with a lot of real world experience that are sometimes fairly important individuals in their field.

We have a guy that works for the state & is pretty much considered an expert in his field.  He has been involved in putting together a lot of the analysis procedures and standards we use today.  He teaches a class for those in the masters program at the university.  He also teaches a class for those looking to get their PE. 

[EVT1]

Jul 18, 2013 7:30:29 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Considering there are more lawyers than jobs for them, I doubt it.

A lot of people with law degrees do not practice- many other doors open with that education. 

[zibazinski]

Seriously? At least 150k in student loans to do something else? Like what? Law school,professor?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 18, 2013 21:00:40 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Seriously? At least 150k in student loans to do something else? Like what? Law school,professor?

I knew a lawyer who quit the profession and became a courier for FedEx. He had enough of being a lawyer. Life was too short to be stuck in a profession he learned to loathe.

[EVT1]

Jul 18, 2013 21:00:40 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Seriously? At least 150k in student loans to do something else? Like what? Law school,professor?

150K?  I am sure some schools charge that.  You can also go somewhere else and take 100K off that figure.

If you think a law degree is worthless other than to practice or teach you have a lot to learn. 

[mmhmm]

I've known corporate attorneys, attorneys involved in Human Resources Management, legal nurse consulting, banking ... I'm sure that's not all, but it's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[zibazinski]

Where can you go to law school for 3 years for 50k? I'm sure those with huge SLs from law school would like to know?

[workpublic]

it's only a bad thing or a hate crime if a white person does it.

anything else is ok because it's the white peoples fault anyway.

[mmhmm]

Jul 19, 2013 9:53:52 GMT -5 workpublic said:

it's only a bad thing or a hate crime if a white person does it.

anything else is ok because it's the white peoples fault anyway.

Again, workpublic, you seem to be the only one saying that.

[Angel!]

Jul 18, 2013 21:00:40 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Seriously? At least 150k in student loans to do something else? Like what? Law school,professor?

Become president for one.  A lot of people in politics have law degrees.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 19, 2013 9:53:52 GMT -5 workpublic said:

it's only a bad thing or a hate crime if a white person does it.

anything else is ok because it's the white peoples fault anyway.

Not always. But it's your right to believe in your fantasies.

Georgia Marks First Conviction for Federal Hate Crime Targeting a Gay Person

Two African-American men from Atlanta plead guilty today to attacking a man outside of a store because he is gay. According to the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Christopher Cain, 19, and Dorian Moragne, 20, admitted in federal court to “mercilessly” punching and kicking Brandon White, a black 20-year-old, while yelling anti-gay slurs at him. The beating was caught on video and posted to the Internet.



Cain and Moragne are already serving 10 years in state prison for the beating, but under the federal hate crime law — the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act — they will face additional time, although federal prosecutors are recommending the sentences be served concurrently.

colorlines.com/archives/2013/04/georgia_marks_first_conviction_for_federal_hate_crimes_against_gay_citizens.html

[EVT1]

Jul 19, 2013 7:20:44 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Where can you go to law school for 3 years for 50k? I'm sure those with huge SLs from law school would like to know?

They do know- they actually researched tuition before they went and didn't pull numbers out of their ass. 



Granted- if someone is forced to go to an out of state school, wants to attend full time and take the job limits, or wants to go to a private school- it can easily top 100K.

I went part-time in state and paid cash.  What is a better deal?  Get done in 3 years and take an extra 50K in loans for living expenses or come out debt free in 6?  Not everyone has parents that can pay for their living expenses, and others have to go out of state because their grades/scores were not high enough to get into the local school.  When I got out of college I turned down a much better school because of the cost- I did not want the debt.  Each his own.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 16, 2013 15:46:04 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

An innocent person in a gas station is beaten up. Those that did that should be dead, period, as they are not fit to walk this earth.

i don't believe that is a just action, even under sharia law.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 19, 2013 11:58:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 16, 2013 15:46:04 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

An innocent person in a gas station is beaten up. Those that did that should be dead, period, as they are not fit to walk this earth.

i don't believe that is a just action, even under sharia law.

Well, if they were dead we could be assured of at least one thing: they would not re-offend.  We could be reasonably sure of something else: the next crew would think twice.

[Sum Dum Gai]

We could be reasonably sure of something else: the next crew would think twice.

Or just shoot first.  There was still crime in the wild west after all.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 19, 2013 12:36:41 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

We could be reasonably sure of something else: the next crew would think twice.

Or just shoot first.  There was still crime in the wild west after all.

The "wild west" is largely a myth.  There's a reason the Colt revolver was nicknamed "the peacemaker".