Black Man Who Murdered White Girls In Rampage Says He...

[Shooby]

Because if we are going to talk of racism then we also need to see it cuts BOTH ways. Funny how we want to minimize it in one direction and maximize it another.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 16:44:30 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Because if we are going to talk of racism then we also need to see it cuts BOTH ways. Funny how we want to minimize it in one direction and maximize it another.

Probably because in the last few hundred years it has been minimal in one direction & maximum in another. 

Yeah, there is racism in all directions.  But, to my knowledge in the last few hundred years in the US white people haven't been slaves, were never 3/5 of a person, were not widely discriminated against & then told that "separate but equal" somehow make the racism ok. 

Yeah, things are starting to even out, but a lot of people haven't forgotten the way things were just 50 years ago when MLK was fighting for equal rights.  It takes a long time for these things to pass & for many, we aren't there yet.  So, it makes sense that we mostly talk about racism in one direction.

And if we really want to talk about current discrimination issues, we should really be talking about Mexicans & hispanics, which is extremely pervasive & fairly accepted.  White people don't suffer from a widespread problem of discrimination in this country & never have.

[Shooby]

So u don't think white people have ever had any difficulty? Ok. Well I never owned slaves nor did anyone I know . My ancestors were treated poorly too. Some people choose to be perpetual victims.

[Shooby]

The only life you have is now. If you choose to live like a bitter victim have at it.

[Shooby]

I am only responsible for myself
I am not responsible for my ancestors nor will I be.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:07:14 GMT -5 Shooby said:

So u don't think white people have ever had any difficulty? Ok. Well I never owned slaves nor did anyone I know . My ancestors were treated poorly too. Some people choose to be perpetual victims.

With widely accepted racism & discrimination?  No I don't think in recent history in this country white people have suffered from this problem. 

I don't recall hearing about rules where white people weren't allowed in certain restaurants, allowed to use certain water fountains, allowed to attend certain schools, sit on the front of the bus, play on certain golf courses, join certain sports teams, or join certain religions.  I don't whites having to fight to actual have equal rights rather than the "separate but equal" jim crow laws that were supposed to be considered equal rights.  And those were just the rules for society, that doesn't even touch on the individual level discrimation that occured.  Stuff like the intimidation by the ku klux klan & the widespread use of racial slurs.

But, if you think whites had it nearly so bad, then please share.  Let me know what widespread, legally supported discrimination against white people occured in the last hundred years that I somehow overlooked.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:08:54 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The only life you have is now. If you choose to live like a bitter victim have at it.

Who is being a bitter victim?  You ask why one type of discrimination was focused on more than others & I answers.  Because that was the most pervasive & acceptable form of discrimination in recent history, so of course it will be the focus.

Not sure why you equate that to being a victim.  I'm focusing on the facts, not feelings of victimization.

[mtman]

Jul 16, 2013 7:29:02 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Your rights end when they infringe upon mine.

[Shooby]

I really don't care what you think. White people have Also come from difficult circumstances.

[Shooby]

What is this? The Who is a bigger victim sweepstakes?

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:25:13 GMT -5 @missmargarita said:

Ummm.. women have been discriminated against in this country.. in recent history and even now.  I'll bet you a black man today has a better opportunity of equal pay for equal work of a white man than a white woman does. 

And how about women who have been raped?  Even now, rape victims are raked over the coals and scrutinized about what role they played that drove a man to rape them. 

Totally agree with both points, although neither of those are racism issues, which is specifically what Shooby mentioned & I believe the point of the thread when we are talking about a black person that hates white people.

[Shooby]

Well the media wants to pretend that black people can't be racist but they absolutely can be.

[mmhmm]

Jul 16, 2013 16:19:11 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Because some posters, even now, are still trying to make it about race and not about a bad 17 year old and a stupid 29 year old.

Yes, zib, some posters are doing that.  Shall we, then, aid and abet it?  Instead, why don't we just cut it out?

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:25:48 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I really don't care what you think. White people have Also come from difficult circumstances.

You seem to have difficulty discerning between difficult circumstances & having the laws of the country allowing discrimation against you based on the color of your skin.

People come from difficult circumstances all the time.  That doesn't change WHY discrimination against blacks is discussed more than other types of RACIAL discrimination.

Like I said earlier, if we want to talk about the worst racial discrimination in our country today, it would be mexicans/hispanics, but no one gives a shit about that because it is acceptable to hate them.  So that is mostly overlooked.  PBP could come up with a bunch of examples of that & they would be way more meaningful that some crazy black guy that blames whites for his problems in life.  But even PBP seems to want to overlook that type of discrimination when posting threads like this.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:34:23 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Well the media wants to pretend that black people can't be racist but they absolutely can be.

I don't think anyone is pretending that.  Of course they can. 

[The Captain]

Jul 16, 2013 17:01:37 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Jul 16, 2013 16:44:30 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Because if we are going to talk of racism then we also need to see it cuts BOTH ways. Funny how we want to minimize it in one direction and maximize it another.

Probably because in the last few hundred years it has been minimal in one direction & maximum in another. 

Yeah, there is racism in all directions.  But, to my knowledge in the last few hundred years in the US white people haven't been slaves, were never 3/5 of a person, were not widely discriminated against & then told that "separate but equal" somehow make the racism ok. 

Yeah, things are starting to even out, but a lot of people haven't forgotten the way things were just 50 years ago when MLK was fighting for equal rights.  It takes a long time for these things to pass & for many, we aren't there yet.  So, it makes sense that we mostly talk about racism in one direction.

And if we really want to talk about current discrimination issues, we should really be talking about Mexicans & hispanics, which is extremely pervasive & fairly accepted.  White people don't suffer from a widespread problem of discrimination in this country & never have.

Really?  During the time slavery existed in this country other forms of racism existed as well.  My grandfather used to have an old sign in his basement...


Help wanted - Irish need not apply.

Everyone has been discriminated against at one point or another. *Racial/ethnic slurs removed.  Please, people.  Please. - mmhmm, Administrator

It's time to move on.

[Shooby]

No. I am not having difficulty doing anything. If black people want to believe that they need the govt then too bad for them living as perpetual victims. But I am not going to apologize for being white.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:42:29 GMT -5 Shooby said:

No. I am not having difficulty doing anything. If black people want to believe that they need the govt then too bad for them living as perpetual victims. But I am not going to apologize for being white.

Where are you getting that from anything I am saying?  You are clearly putting your own spin on your interpretation of my words. 

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:40:27 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Jul 16, 2013 17:01:37 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Probably because in the last few hundred years it has been minimal in one direction & maximum in another. 

Yeah, there is racism in all directions.  But, to my knowledge in the last few hundred years in the US white people haven't been slaves, were never 3/5 of a person, were not widely discriminated against & then told that "separate but equal" somehow make the racism ok. 

Yeah, things are starting to even out, but a lot of people haven't forgotten the way things were just 50 years ago when MLK was fighting for equal rights.  It takes a long time for these things to pass & for many, we aren't there yet.  So, it makes sense that we mostly talk about racism in one direction.

And if we really want to talk about current discrimination issues, we should really be talking about Mexicans & hispanics, which is extremely pervasive & fairly accepted.  White people don't suffer from a widespread problem of discrimination in this country & never have.

Really?  During the time slavery existed in this country other forms of racism existed as well.  My grandfather used to have an old sign in his basement...


Help wanted - Irish need not apply.

Everyone has been discriminated against at one point or another. *partial quote removed as original has been edited. - mmhmm, Administrator

It's time to move on.

Good point. Not quite as bad as how the blacks were treated, but caused a lot of people to change their name & identify with another ancestry. You would think this country would have learned a lesson on how we should treat immigrants.

[Shooby]

How black people were treated in the past has nothing to do with ME. I didn't do anything to oppress anyone nor will I take responsibility for it.

[Angel!]

Jul 16, 2013 17:50:21 GMT -5 Shooby said:

How black people were treated in the past has nothing to do with ME. I didn't do anything to oppress anyone nor will I take responsibility for it.

And....who said any of that?  I didn't, so not sure why you feel the need to make the point.

[Shooby]

I dunno you tell me.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Jul 16, 2013 17:50:21 GMT -5 Shooby said:

How black people were treated in the past has nothing to do with ME. I didn't do anything to oppress anyone nor will I take responsibility for it.

Nobody said you did. And none of that and some of your previous posts have anything to do with the thread topic. It's about a Man who murdered 2 girls in a Rampage.. It doesn't matter if he or they were white, black, green, blue or purple. Any crime or murder is just that - period. No need to put a racial or ethnic spin on it.

[Shooby]

Why NOT put a racial spin? We do it for everything else? Seems fair. Can't have it both ways.

[Shooby]

Oh and I didn't start the thread.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 16, 2013 19:17:08 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Jul 16, 2013 17:50:21 GMT -5 Shooby said:

How black people were treated in the past has nothing to do with ME. I didn't do anything to oppress anyone nor will I take responsibility for it.

Nobody said you did. And none of that and some of your previous posts have anything to do with the thread topic. It's about a Man who murdered 2 girls in a Rampage.. It doesn't matter if he or they were white, black, green, blue or purple. Any crime or murder is just that - period. No need to put a racial or ethnic spin on it.

It's not a "spin" in this case. Mr. Thandiwe murdered and wounded the women specifically because they were white. Motive is a central element of the crime.

The greater issue is whether Mr. Thandiwe was conditioned or motivated by racist teachings at the University of West Georgia, since this is what he claims. But it seems likely to me that he simply twisted an objective look at history into his own manifesto.

[mmhmm]

Let's get on topic and discuss the crime committed and stop emphasizing the racial factor.  If it continues to be the focus of the discussion, this thread will be locked.  Enough.

mmhmm, Administrator

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 16, 2013 15:03:46 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Sure- then we would have dead people. Always a better idea to turn a fight into a homicide- just ask George.

Just make sure none of them are breathing by the time the police and ambulance show up.  He hit me first is apparently the same as a get out of murder free card now.

When Trayvon Martin struck George Zimmerman in the nose to break it and maximize bleeding just as he'd learned in his little 'fight club', it was a misdemeaor.  When Trayvon Martin went to strike George Zimmerman a second time, George Zimmerman had the right to shoot him if he "reasonably believed force was necessary to stop an imminent commission of a forcible felony".  When Trayvon Martin tackled him to the ground and threatened "You're gonna die tonight" Trayvon Martin committed attempted murder (another felony).  So, in short- yes.  If you commit violence upon a person in Florida, you had better pray they aren't law abiding, concealed carry gun owners with their weapon on them because if they are, you stand a pretty good chance of being shot and killed.  The net effect of that is that we're not having riots, looting, violent attacks, and other nonsense down here.

This post was to make two points- both of which have obviously been missed:

1.  It's got a very clear cut racial component where the offender has acknowledged it as their motive and it has received very little coverage, and is not part of a larger national conversation on race relations the way the George Zimmerman murder trial was / is.  I suspect that is because as a society in general, we're afraid to address racism when the racists aren't good 'ol white boys.  And of course, you have the American left that doesn't believe it's actually possible for blacks in particular to be racist.  Slavery, and mistreatment of blacks of previous generations gives the current generation a free pass according to the left, and the press works as a propaganda tool for the left in this country.

2.  To ask what the hell the problem is with our colleges? Sure, it's a flimsy excuse- but it bears investigating.  Because I've sat in college classes listening to foaming at the mouth leftist nutjobs spew the worst kind of racist garbage-- so shouldn't we at least ask our dear "insane" defendant what would make him say such a thing?



 The lack of curiosity, coverage, and discourse on this crime is stunning to me.  As a conservative, I've long argued that discovering and illustrating (proving) motive goes a long way towards proving a crime was committed, but other than that- motive doesn't much matter.  As a result, I've never been a big fan of the whole notion of "hate crimes".  The fact that this guy hates white people and that's why he committed these murders (according to him- no assumptions here), doesn't make the people any less dead- or so I've heard.  But we're in the middle of a full blown national racial conflagration and so you'd think this case would make it into the mix.  The problem is, of course, it doesn't fit the narrative of the far left, the race baiters, and the outright anti-American nutjobs that are really only interested in Mr. Martin to the extent that they can spin the incident into an incendiary political bomb.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 16, 2013 16:09:41 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Maybe they were carrying and maybe they weren't. Fact is, they're cowards which is why they roam in gangs. Who wants to be first? 6-10 rounds so someone is going to be first. I may not be able to get them all but I will get some and that's what counts to me.

Your f***ing A right.  In a mob attack, I'm going to be prepared to draw, aim at the center of mass of the poor unfortunate soul who happens to be the biggest target, and I'm going to drop him, then the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and I'm going to keep picking them off until my 5 hollow point .38 rounds have been expended from my revolver, and then I'm going to reload and keep shooting until I see assholes and elbows moving very quickly in the other direction.  And they will be.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 16, 2013 13:01:35 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Jul 16, 2013 12:37:47 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Should have been carrying.....

Sure- then we would have dead people.  Always a better idea to turn a fight into a homicide- just ask George.

If you start a fight, you get what you get.  If there's more than one, I won't wait the Zimmerman 43 seconds of being pounded- I won't even wait to be hit first.  If I reasonably fear for my safety and well being- they've already committed assault.  Not waiting for the battery.