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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:23:38 GMT -5
Nobody has said the employee wasn't 100% wrong. We have offered theories as to why he would do such a thing, but no one has stood behind him as it being the proper thing to do. But, go ahead and believe what you want. I disagree. Those saying "he was wrong BUT....." are absolutely not assigning him 100% responsibility. Any implication that her attire is the problem is assigning blame to her for his inability to keep his trap shut.
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Post by swamp on Jul 9, 2013 11:24:28 GMT -5
What am I supposed to do with the guy who jaywalks? Hit him with my car? Sometimes I'd like to.......
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 9, 2013 11:25:12 GMT -5
just don't think this guy should be given a crown for "Dad of the Year" - especially by himself.
I thought that was what bloggers do. What am I supposed to do with the guy who jaywalks? Hit him with my car?
Drive around a college campus and you'll be sorely tempted to do just that.
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Post by justme on Jul 9, 2013 11:25:13 GMT -5
I'm fine with them filing a complaint to TSA. I just don't think this guy should be given a crown for "Dad of the Year" - especially by himself. This didn't need to be a big media event. Just a complaint. It doesn't warrant national outrage. I agree with that. Parents are supposed to stand up for their kids, yes not in every situation but sometimes even if they fully don't agree with their kids. I got my lip pierced and we went to a holiday at my brother's in-laws. They started giving my shit about my lip ring and even though my parents hate my lip ring they kept trying to steer the convo away from it and were about to talk to them except they stopped. Though part of that could have been her trying to prevent the way her 20 yo daughter would handle the prudes to get em to shut up.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2013 11:27:27 GMT -5
::Does the person who jaywalks have the authority to pat you down? Detain you. Etc? They talked to his supervisor. I don't see how this is an overreaction everyone seems to think it is. ::
Ok, so it's a jaywalking cop. Not that it matters because his level of authority is irrelevant when you're talking a complete non-issue in terms of commentary. He didn't say "because you look like a slut I'm going to take you in the back and give you a full cavity search". He made a comment on her clothing, pretty well unrelated to his job (which is both the problem, because he had no real reason to comment, but also a total non-issue in terms of any kind of abuse of power).
I think talking to his supervisor is fine.
That's not all they did though, they also made it a media spectacle which includes articles about how telling a 15 year old to cover up is the foundation of rape culture and that the officer must have had sick sexual thoughts about her otherwise he never would have even noticed what she was wearing which is laughable.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 9, 2013 11:28:14 GMT -5
What am I supposed to do with the guy who jaywalks? Hit him with my car?
Drive around a college campus and you'll be sorely tempted to do just that. Get out of my head, DQ!
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:28:51 GMT -5
She had clothes on - it does not appear that she was "exposing herself". I'm not sure why we are now referring to her like she was a flasher. So she was in this middle ground between exposing herself and wearing a burqa, but that wasn't good enough for some TSA guy. I think we should focus less on expecting 15 year old girls to be able to deal calmly and maturely with being harassed and focus more on expecting better from grown men who make bad choices to harass them. We don't actually know what she was wearing. The photo does not look like any airport I've seen - She may not have been dressed that way at all.. We've also only heard her version. That point was made pages and pages ago. Teen agers (girls and boys) often do omit details that might put then in a negative light and they (girls especially) tend to over-dramatize. If she was actually wearing what the photo depicted, the guy (if he really said what she claimed) would have to be nuts. It looks like a million other airport shops. And is your contention that she was exposing herself?? That her nipples were pulled up out of her tank top going through security? because I'm gonna wager that security tape would have been shown to Mom & Dad when they came to complain to TSA.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 9, 2013 11:30:17 GMT -5
That's not all they did though, they also made it a media spectacle which includes articles about how telling a 15 year old to cover up is the foundation of rape culture and that the officer must have had sick sexual thoughts about her otherwise he never would have even noticed what she was wearing which is laughable
The dad is a blogger. Not saying he's correct but it'd be a pretty dull blog that doesn't attract many readers if he stuck to "just the facts ma'am".
I am surprised it caught national media attention though.
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:30:42 GMT -5
I'm fine with them filing a complaint to TSA. I just don't think this guy should be given a crown for "Dad of the Year" - especially by himself. Well I agree with that. But I don't really get the concept of blogging about one's life at all!
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 9, 2013 11:30:48 GMT -5
But what would we talk about then?
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 9, 2013 11:37:47 GMT -5
I'm fine with them filing a complaint to TSA. I just don't think this guy should be given a crown for "Dad of the Year" - especially by himself. This didn't need to be a big media event. Just a complaint. It doesn't warrant national outrage. boingboing.net/2013/06/16/lax-tsa-officer-shames-my-15-y.htmlThat was his original blog. It doesn't read like he crowned himself dad of the year. The author of the first article did but that was not the dad in question. That said, I don't think he should be called dad of the year.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2013 11:40:13 GMT -5
::I disagree. Those saying "he was wrong BUT....." are absolutely not assigning him 100% responsibility.::
He was 100% responsible for saying something he shouldn't have said on his job. That's it. That doesn't mean people can't judge all the nonsense that followed. "he was wrong, BUT the reaction by the parents was ridiculously overblown" does nothing to absolve him of HIS wrong, but just because he did something wrong doesn't mean that no one else coudl possibly do anything wrong in the entire scope of the story.
::I am surprised it caught national media attention though.::
That's what happens when you take a comment like "cover up" and start blogging about how the TSA agent must be some kind of child molester because why else would he look at your kid like that and his comment is the reason women get raped and held down by society. If you can add some lunacy to your blog it has a much better shot at national attention.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 11:40:22 GMT -5
Reading the original blog - I am still totally convinced we have only heard one side of the story. Sad, really. I hate that half the people can tell the whole story, and the other half are forced to remain quiet while millions are casting aspersions on their character.
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:41:02 GMT -5
And I never said or implied that you did. I disagreed with your analogy because you were trying to equate wearing a tank top with a series of really bad decisions that any reasonable person would expect to have bad consequences. a series of really bad decisions according to who? As a car owner, shouldn't I have the right to do what I want with my own car (as long as it's legal) without the expectation that it will get ransacked/stolen? I am not commenting specifically about this girl. Hell, even if she was just wearing a tank top and yoga pants, I've seen WAAAAAAAAAAY worse on girls. I am making a general statement about precautions that we (unfortunately) have to take in this world. Is that a joke? According to EVERYONE. Go take a poll and let me know if you can find anyone who thinks that driving your rolls royce into a crime infested neighborhood and piling diamonds onto the front seat then leaving it there unlocked is NOT a series of bad decisions. What "precautions" should this girl have taken? I am truly not getting what you are trying to say.
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:41:43 GMT -5
But what would we talk about then? Hmmmmm. Money?? LOL.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 11:41:46 GMT -5
And - the more I look at that picture, the more see-through that shirt gets. Not that anyone should rape her, or whatever, but seriously, I would probably ask my daughter to wear something underneath it. Not that the girl deserved it, but I would prefer my daughter to be aware of see-thru clothing.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2013 11:43:18 GMT -5
And - the more I look at that picture, the more see-through that shirt gets. Not that anyone should rape her, or whatever, but seriously, I would probably ask my daughter to wear something underneath it. Not that the girl deserved it, but I would prefer my daughter to be aware of see-thru clothing. Also seems a little suspect that the flannel shirt she has on was really on at the time.
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 11:43:28 GMT -5
I'm fine with them filing a complaint to TSA. I just don't think this guy should be given a crown for "Dad of the Year" - especially by himself. This didn't need to be a big media event. Just a complaint. It doesn't warrant national outrage. boingboing.net/2013/06/16/lax-tsa-officer-shames-my-15-y.htmlThat was his original blog. It doesn't read like he crowned himself dad of the year. The author of the first article did but that was not the dad in question. That said, I don't think he should be called dad of the year. Of course not. MY dad is dad of the year.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 9, 2013 11:44:21 GMT -5
And - the more I look at that picture, the more see-through that shirt gets. Not that anyone should rape her, or whatever, but seriously, I would probably ask my daughter to wear something underneath it. Not that the girl deserved it, but I would prefer my daughter to be aware of see-thru clothing. And I do not believe she was wearing the long sleeve shirt at the time of the incident.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 11:45:20 GMT -5
And - the more I look at that picture, the more see-through that shirt gets. Not that anyone should rape her, or whatever, but seriously, I would probably ask my daughter to wear something underneath it. Not that the girl deserved it, but I would prefer my daughter to be aware of see-thru clothing. Also seems a little suspect that the flannel shirt she has on was really on at the time. If they were going through the first part of security, it may have been on. That is where they check IDs. If she was going through the x-Ray machine, it would be off - but they don't check IDs there, so that doesn't seem likely.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2013 11:47:07 GMT -5
::What "precautions" should this girl have taken?::
Precautions for what? To not have a completely meaningless comment made about her clothing choice?
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 9, 2013 11:49:30 GMT -5
Of course we don't have the whole story. But I don't need the whole story to know if that was my daughter, I would not want a TSA agent to say cover up to her.
It has been speculated that she more than likely did not have it on because she would have had to take it off to go through security. So you have to take off your overshirt and maybe you aren't comfortable in just your tank top and then the security guy tells you to cover up. I'd be a little pissed too. Maybe it didn't happen that way, maybe she just wanted to walk around showing off her see through shirt, he still shouldn't have said anything.
And to the "well he was trying to be helpful" crowd, it isn't his job to be "helpful". Yes it "takes a village to raise a child" but do not assume that you are part of my village.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2013 11:51:29 GMT -5
::Maybe it didn't happen that way, maybe she just wanted to walk around showing off her see through shirt, he still shouldn't have said anything.::
HE shouldn't have, because he was on the job. I'd have no problem with anyone else making comments to her though who wasn't working and under some kidn of code of conduct at the time.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 11:53:09 GMT -5
It has been speculated that she more than likely did not have it on because she would have had to take it off to go through security. So you have to take off your overshirt and maybe you aren't comfortable in just your tank top and then the security guy tells you to cover up. I'd be a little pissed too. Maybe it didn't happen that way, maybe she just wanted to walk around showing off her see through shirt, he still shouldn't have said anything. I am taking back my stance that the flannel shirt was definitely off. I was thinking she was in the screening area, but it sounds like she was at the front part where they check IDs. That means that there is a chance that it was off, but not guaranteed. He still shouldn't have said anything. I don't think it was full boob. I think it was side boob, with a loose, see-thru shirt. He shouldn't have said anything, but it isn't a way I would like my 15 year old daughter to dress.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 9, 2013 11:57:28 GMT -5
Well, her parents were on their way home from Tokyo when she got dressed.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 13:19:35 GMT -5
I want to fly off to Tokyo without my children. I mean, like today.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2013 13:25:18 GMT -5
No kidding! I have totally random useless thoughts, and I spend all day typing here - maybe I could be a blogger.
Maybe I could write a cute little story about how I don't care if my kids brush their teeth and then my daughter said something that made it sound like I was drunk when we went to the dentist, and everyone would throw dollar bills at me!
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 9, 2013 15:07:54 GMT -5
Now this one gets my blood boiling. It's about a TSA agent vs. Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz, a decorated Marine that was wounded. Very disrespectful IMO! Oh, and his escort wrote to complain about it but it wasn't his dad. I hope it's ok that I post it here as I didn't want to start another thread. Later - I'll remove it if you want me to. link"Marine says he was hassled by TSA, security guards over wounds, medals 1 hr ago Retired Marine Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz was severely injured in 2004 in a roadside bomb attack. So when he was asked to remove his dress blues "because he was wearing too much metal" at the California State Capitol building, or asked to raise his arms above his head by the TSA at Sacramento International Airport, he couldn't. At the capitol building, this turned into a heated exchange between Kemnitz and security officers. "What does a uniform and heroism represent if our citizens — in this case employees of the TSA and security personnel — have no regard for them?" Kemnitz's escort, Patricia Martin, wrote to Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki after the incidents."
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Post by imawino on Jul 9, 2013 15:14:04 GMT -5
Now this one gets my blood boiling. It's about a TSA agent vs. Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz, a decorated Marine that was wounded. Very disrespectful IMO! Oh, and his escort wrote to complain about it but it wasn't his dad. I hope it's ok that I post it here as I didn't want to start another thread. Later - I'll remove it if you want me to. link"Marine says he was hassled by TSA, security guards over wounds, medals 1 hr ago Retired Marine Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz was severely injured in 2004 in a roadside bomb attack. So when he was asked to remove his dress blues "because he was wearing too much metal" at the California State Capitol building, or asked to raise his arms above his head by the TSA at Sacramento International Airport, he couldn't. At the capitol building, this turned into a heated exchange between Kemnitz and security officers. "What does a uniform and heroism represent if our citizens — in this case employees of the TSA and security personnel — have no regard for them?" Kemnitz's escort, Patricia Martin, wrote to Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki after the incidents." I don't see a problem with asking someone to remove metal before going through a metal detector?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 9, 2013 15:17:00 GMT -5
I was talking about the above part. Not his medals. I should have bolded that part.
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