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Post by imawino on Jul 8, 2013 16:12:13 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. Wait, WHY could he have done that? Because it would be okay for him to use his position to punish her for wearing something he considered revealing? I certainly hope he would have gotten in trouble for that too.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 8, 2013 16:14:32 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. For the record I have seen people asked to leave church, restaurants and even Shoprite because of how they were dressed. There are even laws on the boardwalks about what is required dress. Nothing surprises me anymore about how people dress in public except their lack of understanding on what is appropiate where. Exactly. And he could have singled her for a pat down. I wonder if his side of the ztory will be told.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:14:40 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. Wait, WHY could he have done that? Because it would be okay for him to use his position to punish her for wearing something he considered revealing? I certainly hope he would have gotten in trouble for that too. Ah - that is why they always direct me to the line full of 90 year old women and such. I should sue!
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Post by imawino on Jul 8, 2013 16:16:16 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. For the record I have seen people asked to leave church, restaurants and even Shoprite because of how they were dressed. There are even laws on the boardwalks about what is required dress. Nothing surprises me anymore about how people dress in public except their lack of understanding on what is appropiate where. Exactly. And he could have singled her for a pat down. I wonder if his side of the ztory will be told. Is his side of the story that he used all his self control to keep from inappropriately patting her down If he has any sense at all he will try to keep his side of the story to "no comment".
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:17:52 GMT -5
It won't.
The TSA knows that no good can come from talking to the press. Even if they fired this guy, they might offer him severance in exchange for not talking about this. But, more likely they will just note this in his permanent record, and if he speaks to the press he will most certainly be fired. This will blow over without any further statement than the one made.
Besides, even if the TSA did release a statement or something, we would likely never hear about it. Nobody cares about the other side of the story - especially a month later.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 8, 2013 16:18:10 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. Wait, WHY could he have done that? Because it would be okay for him to use his position to punish her for wearing something he considered revealing? I certainly hope he would have gotten in trouble for that too. You must go to different airports than I go to. The last time I was in Phila int they just pointed at people and said go to that line. they didn't give a reason and when people asked they were informed they didn't have to. we were told we don't have a right to fly it is a privilege. YM has been quite vocal that if people don't like the TSA searches etc they should drive.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:21:00 GMT -5
I had a bizarre interaction with a TSA agent which ended in him graciously letting me break a rule, that I really didn't want to break, and I offered a completely legitimate solution, which he refused. I could have ruined that guy's day.
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Post by Pants on Jul 8, 2013 16:21:53 GMT -5
This guy could have said nothing to her but told her to go stand in another line and made her wait for a long time. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for it either. For the record I have seen people asked to leave church, restaurants and even Shoprite because of how they were dressed. There are even laws on the boardwalks about what is required dress. Nothing surprises me anymore about how people dress in public except their lack of understanding on what is appropiate where. Exactly. And he could have singled her for a pat down. I wonder if his side of the ztory will be told. I'm sorry, please elaborate on what you think his side of the story could be.
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Post by imawino on Jul 8, 2013 16:22:21 GMT -5
Wait, WHY could he have done that? Because it would be okay for him to use his position to punish her for wearing something he considered revealing? I certainly hope he would have gotten in trouble for that too. You must go to different airports than I go to. The last time I was in Phila int they just pointed at people and said go to that line. they didn't give a reason and when people asked they were informed they didn't have to. we were told we don't have a right to fly it is a privilege. YM has been quite vocal that if people don't like the TSA searches etc they should drive. I'm not saying that sometimes you don't wait in a long line in the airport. What I am asking is why it would have been okay, in your mind, for him to single her out for an extra long delay in this scenario? Clearly if he thought she had on clothes that revealed too much he didn't think she was smuggling something. So is your position that he should have punished her because she had the audacity to wear what he considered to be revealing clothing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 16:23:37 GMT -5
mmhmm tell you what. I'll assume that he was Muslim if you assume that she got to the airport & totally undress & was walking around with her clothes under her arm. How's that? S'okay by me, oldtex. My suggestion is completely plausible. The agent might even be from a very conservative Christian sect. Your suggestion, however, is pretty much implausible. She wouldn't have gotten into the airport like that. But, if that's your scenario, go with it. Yes mmhmm, it is pretty implausible. My first suggestion (back about 10 days ago) is much more plausible. That's where she didn't have a bra & was carrying her coat. Just to point out though that your suggest wasn't as plausible as you seem to thing. Probably 0.2% of the population is Moslem most of those crazy right wingers value money over making a public statement (after all they are conservatives).
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:24:14 GMT -5
Exactly. And he could have singled her for a pat down. I wonder if his side of the ztory will be told. I'm sorry, please elaborate on what you think his side of the story could be. You honestly think that anyone gets 100% of the story exactly right - ever? You honestly think that it is impossible for someone else to have even a part of an ounce of additional information?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 16:25:13 GMT -5
I had a bizarre interaction with a TSA agent which ended in him graciously letting me break a rule, that I really didn't want to break, and I offered a completely legitimate solution, which he refused. I could have ruined that guy's day. Was it another "topless" incident thyme?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:25:40 GMT -5
I don't know about the bra thing - but she would have been required to take the coat off to go through either the metal detector or the body scan equipment.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 8, 2013 16:30:25 GMT -5
You must go to different airports than I go to. The last time I was in Phila int they just pointed at people and said go to that line. they didn't give a reason and when people asked they were informed they didn't have to. we were told we don't have a right to fly it is a privilege. YM has been quite vocal that if people don't like the TSA searches etc they should drive. I'm not saying that sometimes you don't wait in a long line in the airport. What I am asking is why it would have been okay, in your mind, for him to single her out for an extra long delay in this scenario? Clearly if he thought she had on clothes that revealed too much he didn't think she was smuggling something. So is your position that he should have punished her because she had the audacity to wear what he considered to be revealing clothing? Wow you are reading my posts and seeing things I have no idea where you got them from. I said he could have pulled her out of that line and sent her to another that took much longer with no issues, for whatever reason he wanted, or even no reason at all. I never said any of it was right or that I knew what he was thinking. I'm the person who would get rid of the TSA. I just was saying in previous posts that from experience with teenagers I am not willing to say with only her small part of the story that what she said happened is 100% fact and she was being a perfect little angel and he was the evil villian. Common sense tells me the truth is somewhere in between.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 8, 2013 16:30:28 GMT -5
Mutt, I hope your life continues being so nice and innocent if you can really think that someone gossiping about you makes you a victim. May you never know what a real victim is.
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Post by Pants on Jul 8, 2013 16:30:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry, please elaborate on what you think his side of the story could be. You honestly think that anyone gets 100% of the story exactly right - ever? You honestly think that it is impossible for someone else to have even a part of an ounce of additional information? Of course not. But what could his side of the story be that would excuse his actions?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 8, 2013 16:32:53 GMT -5
BSB, I don't know about HIS side of the story, but I've wanted to say the same thing to many many 12-13-14-15 yr olds. And believe me, it was nothing sexual on my part. Simply a concern from an older person.
why is it so hard for most of you to believe that he was coming from the same place?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:33:59 GMT -5
Of course not. But what could his side of the story be that would excuse his actions? Maybe her boob fell out.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 8, 2013 16:35:11 GMT -5
BSB, I don't know about HIS side of the story, but I've wanted to say the same thing to many many 12-13-14-15 yr olds. And believe me, it was nothing sexual on my part. Simply a concern from an older person. why is it so hard for most of you to believe that he was coming from the same place? I've had the same thoughts as well.....
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 8, 2013 16:40:38 GMT -5
Of course not. But what could his side of the story be that would excuse his actions? Maybe her boob fell out. Or maybe he really said "You look cold. Maybe you should put your shirt on"... We won't ever know what was really said - by either. Not that I care that much. Overblown this whole story is.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:43:08 GMT -5
Or maybe he really said "You look cold. Maybe you should put your shirt on"... We won't ever know what was really said - by either. Not that I care that much. Overblown this whole story is. That was my first thought, too. And yes, maybe he did look at her in a creepy way - but seriously, I have spent a lot of time in airports this past year, and I can count the number of TSA agents I have encountered that I WOULDN'T consider "creepy." And the fact that they wear gloves to take your ID - it never sets the right tone for me. The only time people put gloves like that on in my life is when I'm about to get a pap smear.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 8, 2013 16:44:30 GMT -5
Actually, quite a few TSA agents are Muslims, oldtex. It's a job they can get, since many aren't highly educated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 16:45:45 GMT -5
BSB, I don't know about HIS side of the story, but I've wanted to say the same thing to many many 12-13-14-15 yr olds. And believe me, it was nothing sexual on my part. Simply a concern from an older person. why is it so hard for most of you to believe that he was coming from the same place? If after looking at your IDs, someone told you personally, or one of your kids to lose weight (out of concern for your well being), would you figure it's okay? Or would you figure that's pretty darn rude, especially if they're a TSA agent who's just supposed to get you through security? I'm buttoned up enough to be mistaken for a christian missionary or a child services worker (seriously both have happened) but I think think the TSA worker was out of bounds for his job.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:46:02 GMT -5
Or maybe he really said "You look cold. Maybe you should put your shirt on"... We won't ever know what was really said - by either. Not that I care that much. Overblown this whole story is. Or handed her jacket, which had been on the conveyor belt to her and said "Cover up, young one."
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 8, 2013 16:48:58 GMT -5
BSB, I don't know about HIS side of the story, but I've wanted to say the same thing to many many 12-13-14-15 yr olds. And believe me, it was nothing sexual on my part. Simply a concern from an older person. why is it so hard for most of you to believe that he was coming from the same place? I'm pretty sure I've explained it at least 3 times why it doesn't sound like a caring person. He had 3 things by her account that didn't come across as innocent, just trying to help. Could she have made up all 3? Of course. But if you want to be helpful you don't mumble, you don't glare, and you don't use a hostile tone. Not to mention her age. Those things aren't all warm and fuzzy you seem to think his intentions are. ETA: It is not your place as a random stranger to tell my children what they can or cannot wear. If you want to say it takes a village, fine, but you are not a part of my village.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 8, 2013 16:49:57 GMT -5
If after looking at your IDs, someone told you personally, or one of your kids to lose weight (out of concern for your well being), would you figure it's okay? Or would you figure that's pretty darn rude, especially if they're a TSA agent who's just supposed to get you through security? I'm buttoned up enough to be mistaken for a christian missionary or a child services worker (seriously both have happened) but I think think the TSA worker was out of bounds for his job. No one here thinks what he allegedly said was OK. Everyone has stated that, at a minimum, he was unprofessional, inappropriate and out of bounds - assuming that she quoted him accurately. Which I'm not all that sure of.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 8, 2013 16:50:45 GMT -5
Mutt, I hope your life continues being so nice and innocent if you can really think that someone gossiping about you makes you a victim. May you never know what a real victim is. May your life be so charmed that you never have gossip cause major issues in your life. If you think talk is harmless, keep thinking that way. Reputation means nothing you know. Is it the same as being assaulted, no. But it doesn't make someone any less of a victim.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 8, 2013 16:51:27 GMT -5
. But if you want to be helpful you don't mumble, you don't glare, and you don't use a hostile tone. Not to mention her age
All of which are unsubstantiated accusations by an admittedly "furious" teen age girl.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:55:06 GMT -5
Maybe I am the problem with the society, but if this were my daughter, I would tell her that when you are a hottie, you deal with people saying gross stuff to you. You never get harassed by a guy that looks like Channing Tatum. You always get comments from guys that look like Steve Buscemi. I'm not great looking, but I have long legs, boobs, and everything else is where it should be - so in my lifetime I've gotten creepy comments from all kinds of weirdos. And they all look like this: I hope this girl grows up hot enough that the guys who feel okay saying something to me will steer clear. Otherwise, this is a great time to learn to get over yucky people saying something to her.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2013 16:59:01 GMT -5
This thread makes my head hurt worse than the picture of that ugly refrigerator... MM - your avatar makes you look slutty - you should cover up.
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