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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 20:57:19 GMT -5
We shall see.
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2013 21:00:05 GMT -5
It will probably pass this time, everyone knows that. But it won't stand the test of time & those who tried to ILLEGALLY pass thru a law (and yes what they did last week WAS illegal) won't be re-elected. This could be the first step to turning Texas purple instead of red. And that's a victory in itself. With that said, I know you well enough from other boards & I'm too fired up about this bill, that I won't discuss it further with you.  |
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2013 21:02:03 GMT -5
Time to put some limits on this horror against humanity. and which horror would that be....?  |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:03:36 GMT -5
I believe that there need to be limits on abortion. The anything goes approach is wrong in my opinion.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2013 21:05:06 GMT -5
I believe that there need to be limits on abortion. The anything goes approach is wrong in my opinion. um....there ARE limits - viability is the general standard limit. anything above and beyond is at the demand of the radical right, and is absolutely grounds for vehement opposition. ETA: at the risk of being accused of disappearing from a debate, I'm heading to bed. I've been trying to wean myself away for awhile tonight, and then I saw updates to this thread. I'll totally catch up in the AM, but my bed is calling me. have a good one, everyone  |
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2013 21:07:38 GMT -5
Research on this bill would benefit so many before commenting. It's so much MORE than abortion, it's women's health. It's taking away ALL care for poor women. It's forcing poor women with few resources to drive hours just for birth control (which DUH prevents the need for abortions!) It takes away poor women's cancer screenings, well woman check ups, access to birth control, and pre-natal care.
It says point blank that the POOR women of Texas don't deserve health care. And THAT is a horror against humanity.
And isn't it ironic for a state that screams "We respect the right to life" to have put its 500th convict to death & it happened to be a woman? LOL #RickthedickPerry
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:09:04 GMT -5
People can oppose what they want to oppose. And we can also pass more restrictive laws as well.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:11:49 GMT -5
Capital punishment has nothing to do with abortion. But I would think the bar on abortion should be just as high so we aren't inadvertently killing innocents which seems to be the main concern for those opposing the death penalty.
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2013 21:12:28 GMT -5
I'm pro death penalty & pro choice. |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:15:07 GMT -5
That's nice. I don't think the two topics are related. Just my opinion.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 1, 2013 21:23:00 GMT -5
That's nice. I don't think the two topics are related. Just my opinion. Respectfully, the two topics are TOTALLY related. Either you think all of life is sacred, or you don't. No picking and choosing on this one. If you say you are anti-abortion because it kills a life but you are pro-capital punishment, well guess what - execution is just as much killing a life as abortion is. And I will call you out for your inconsistent stance. |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:26:55 GMT -5
That's your opinion. The death penalty can be a fair and just punishment for a crime. Aborting an innocent baby has nothing to do with capital punishment. Sorry but can easily and consistently hold Both opinions.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:34:19 GMT -5
Well I guess I am now supposed to assume all pro abortion people believe in the death penalty. You know to be "consistent" and all.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 21:39:13 GMT -5
But I will tell you what. I will agree and vote to completely eliminate the death penalty if we eliminate abortion? Are you good with that then? Seems fair .
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2013 21:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 1, 2013 21:59:10 GMT -5
But I will tell you what. I will agree and vote to completely eliminate the death penalty if we eliminate abortion? Are you good with that then? Seems fair . I'm all good with eliminating the death penalty. I do not think it's "fair and just punishment." Fair and Just Punishment is sitting on your keester in a miserable hell-hole lock-up for the rest of your life to repent for what you did. Dying is the easy way out. And killing someone for the crime they committed solves NOTHING - it only exacts revenge for the people who were damaged or devastated by the crime that was committed. |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 22:03:39 GMT -5
Whatever. The discussion isn't about the death penalty. But like I said I will be glad to trade one for the other if that is the wish.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 1, 2013 22:10:00 GMT -5
Rick Perry: because nothing says "Pro-Life" more than executing more people than any other governor in U.S. history.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 1, 2013 23:13:13 GMT -5
Well I guess I am now supposed to assume all pro abortion people believe in the death penalty. You know to be "consistent" and all. There are few if any 'pro abortion' people. But there are millions upon millions of pro-choice people. In other words, they believe the decision to have an abortion is best left to the woman and her doctor. I am pro-choice. But I am not pro-abortion. |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2013 23:16:55 GMT -5
I meet very few pro abortoin supporters whi will stand up and support ANY legal limits on
Abortion.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 1, 2013 23:29:10 GMT -5
Well like Tennesser, I am pro-choice but I am NOT pro-abortion. "Pro-abortion" is an inflammatory label one side puts on the other to shame and demean them. Please don't go there.
And by the way, I'm a pro-choicer who supports legal limits to abortion, so please don't say there are none of "us" out here. The current laws already have limits in place - limits that I support.
The proposed Texas law is nothing but a sham to reverse legal rights already in place, and is meant to pander to the far right who want nothing more than to try and dictate to the rest of the country how to behave. As I've said on these boards before, your (the Big You) rights end where your fist meets my nose.
We should all spend more time trying to end the "horrors against humanity" that happen to the people who are already here! Like homelessness, mental illness, poverty, racial injustice, hunger, domestic violence, crime, illiteracy, sexual assault . . . but nooooooo, let's spend our time focusing on the uterine contents of other women we don't even know and shame them (and deny them medical care) because they don't think or believe like we do [sarcasm].
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Post by tallguy on Jul 2, 2013 0:04:50 GMT -5
Well I guess I am now supposed to assume all pro abortion peopleSeriously, Shooby? You are STILL using the "pro-abortion" bullsh**? Didn't we dispense with that a year ago or so? The ONLY two terms that are appropriate in this debate are "pro-CHOICE" and "anti-ABORTION." There is NO SUCH THING as pro-abortion. The people HAVING abortions are not pro-abortion. Even the doctors PERFORMING abortions are not pro-abortion. What they believe is that it is a choice that one may have to make, but that the choice is theirs alone (along with any partner involved) in consultation with their doctor. You have already heard people here say in response to you that they are pro-choice but not pro-abortion. That distinction is pretty much universal, and your apparent inability to note it would lead me to believe that either you lack the intellectual capacity to make it, or the intellectual integrity to acknowledge it. Neither puts you in a good light. On the other side, there is no logical relevance to the term pro-life. With the possible exception of a psychopath here and there, EVERYBODY is pro-life. But to be logically consistent in the use of the term, not only can you not be in favor of the death penalty, but you also would have to actually support the children forced to term. You logically couldn't even intentionally step on a spider in your house. Either you hold life sacred, or you don't. ALL life. What you are is anti-abortion. You believe it to be wrong in itself, and you are perfectly entitled to hold that belief. But the term "pro-life" was made up to sound better. That's all. It is NOT accurate. If you do NOTHING in this debate other than change your terms, you will be MILES ahead of where you are now. If you can't do even that, then you have no credibility at all. It is of course up to you if you wish to continue sounding like an idiot, but it wouldn't be my choice. |
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 2, 2013 0:18:32 GMT -5
Either you hold life sacred, or you don't. ALL life. What you are is anti-abortion. You believe it to be wrong in itself, and you are perfectly entitled to hold that belief. But the term "pro-life" was made up to sound better. That's all. It is NOT accurate.  You are NOT "pro-life" if you believe that capital punishment is "fair and just punishment." |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2013 1:08:51 GMT -5
I meet very few pro abortoin supporters whi will stand up and support ANY legal limits on Abortion. that is because you are looking for pro abortion supporters. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2013 1:13:29 GMT -5
the demographics are really bad in TX for Republicans. 2 decades tops to permanent blue majorities, unless they start shifting their politics to a more gender neutral, race neutral stance. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2013 1:14:48 GMT -5
People can oppose what they want to oppose. And we can also pass more restrictive laws as well. and the SCOTUS can overturn them. |
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Post by steff on Jul 2, 2013 1:16:17 GMT -5
the demographics are really bad in TX for Republicans. 2 decades tops to permanent blue majorities, unless they start shifting their politics to a more gender neutral, race neutral stance. and they woke up the female voting base. I was also very pleased to see so many young men involved & at the hearings. They may pass the bill this week, but it won't stand the test of time & it will hurt these morons come election time. |
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Post by Shooby on Jul 2, 2013 1:17:25 GMT -5
Oh please. I know the exactly slant of some one by the term used. I can define others as PRO abortion just like they csn define me as ANTI abortion rather than PRO life.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2013 1:18:59 GMT -5
the demographics are really bad in TX for Republicans. 2 decades tops to permanent blue majorities, unless they start shifting their politics to a more gender neutral, race neutral stance. and they woke up the female voting base. I was also very pleased to see so many young men involved & at the hearings. They may pass the bill this week, but it won't stand the test of time & it will hurt these morons come election time. i don't think that it will last the year. it is going to get struck down, just like all of the other trap laws. |
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 2, 2013 1:19:16 GMT -5
I meet very few pro abortoin supporters whi will stand up and support ANY legal limits on Abortion. I don't know who you "meet", but there are quite a few posters on this board who support some limits on abortion, Shooby. I'm one of them. |
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