Issue with a neighbor's dog - WWYD?

[HoneyBBQ]

Jun 19, 2013 19:08:46 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

As someone who has owned an aggressive lab/great dane/pit mix, I would never attempt to hit an aggressive dog with an object or cause harm with pepper spray. 

It is hard to figure out what makes them tick and my dog would bite/attack out of fear. One of the neighbors hit him with a shovel and the dog never forgot. Any opportunity he got to go after the neighbor he took. Including climbing fence, or going through glass windows. He pinned the neighbor in a shed, stood on the hood of his truck and growled nonstop at him. He would get that dead deer smell that dogs put off. 

The neighbors needed to attempt to make friends with him instead of alienate him. He was a great dog once he knew and liked you. But of course the hardhead neighbor did not get the dog had a memory like an elephant and he would win every time. 

Of course every time animal control came and tested him, the officer was nice to him, talked kindly and the dog was loving towards him. 

Wow, where to start again.... your dog sounds like such a champ. It was very wrong of your neighbor to hit the dog with a shovel, but you seem to be insinuating that there is something GG can take away from your subsequent story. There isn't. It's up to the OWNER to control and change the dog, not GG. And the dog is attacking GG's DOG, not GG herself. Therefore she needs to protect her own animals any way she feels is appropriate/viable for her.

[HoneyBBQ]

Jun 19, 2013 20:08:09 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jun 19, 2013 19:08:46 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

As someone who has owned an aggressive lab/great dane/pit mix, I would never attempt to hit an aggressive dog with an object or cause harm with pepper spray. 

So what would you do if an aggressive dog was tearing your frail, aging dog to pieces?  Stand there?  Nicely ask it to please stop?

Unless you live in Doxieland, none of Doxie's suggestions are going to work in the real world. Do whatever you need to protect your own pets. Hopefully you can find a non-lethal way to protect them (eg pepper spray), but if you can't, it's only the owner to blame.

[doxieluvr]

Jun 19, 2013 20:08:09 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jun 19, 2013 19:08:46 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

As someone who has owned an aggressive lab/great dane/pit mix, I would never attempt to hit an aggressive dog with an object or cause harm with pepper spray. 

So what would you do if an aggressive dog was tearing your frail, aging dog to pieces?  Stand there?  Nicely ask it to please stop?

Ehh, I am not sure because I have not encountered that. We have a dog aggressive dog in our neighborhood that killed another dog last year. We don't walk anywhere near that house. 

I probably would lean towards shooting the dog, but then you have issues with carrying permits. 

I just would not want you to provoke the dog and then you become the target. 

[doxieluvr]

Jun 19, 2013 21:56:55 GMT -5 HoneyBBQ said:

Jun 19, 2013 19:08:46 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

As someone who has owned an aggressive lab/great dane/pit mix, I would never attempt to hit an aggressive dog with an object or cause harm with pepper spray. 

It is hard to figure out what makes them tick and my dog would bite/attack out of fear. One of the neighbors hit him with a shovel and the dog never forgot. Any opportunity he got to go after the neighbor he took. Including climbing fence, or going through glass windows. He pinned the neighbor in a shed, stood on the hood of his truck and growled nonstop at him. He would get that dead deer smell that dogs put off. 

The neighbors needed to attempt to make friends with him instead of alienate him. He was a great dog once he knew and liked you. But of course the hardhead neighbor did not get the dog had a memory like an elephant and he would win
every time. 

Of course every time animal control came and tested him, the officer was nice to him, talked kindly and the dog was loving towards him. 

Wow, where to start again.... your dog sounds like such a champ. It was very wrong of your neighbor to hit the dog with a shovel, but you seem to be insinuating that there is something GG can take away from your subsequent story. There isn't. It's up to the OWNER to control and change the dog, not GG. And the dog is attacking GG's DOG, not GG herself. Therefore she needs to protect her own animals any way she feels is appropriate/viable for her.

While I would typically agree, she should protect herself anyway possible, however this is a beast that sounds extremely powerful. This is a dog that sounds like it could do serious harm to Gg if provoked. My dog could and would take down a 200lb man with ease. He happened to hate my ex husband as much as the neighbor. Ex husband also would hit or kick the dog. And it does not take much for the dog to change targets in a situation. Dogs can kill people.

For the record, I do believe the animal should be euthanized. I do not think aggressive dogs should live amongst the public. 

[Deleted]

Jun 19, 2013 21:03:54 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Found our county ordinances regarding dangerous animals....

6.05.070 Harboring vicious or dangerous domesticated animal.
(1) It is unlawful for any owner to keep, harbor or maintain on or off the owner’s premises in a manner liable to endanger the safety of persons or property lawfully upon the premises, or upon any street, avenue, alley, public or private place, or to allow to run at large within the unincorporated area of East Jefferson County, any vicious, menacing or dangerous animal with vicious propensities. Any such animal is a nuisance and may be immediately seized and impounded.

6.05.090 Injury to property.
It is unlawful for any owner to suffer or permit any dog to trespass on private or public property so as to damage or destroy any property or thing of value. The same is a nuisance and any such animal may be seized and impounded. [Ord. 4-84 § 9]



Note: Dogs are considered "property" as noted in a previous post.....

I absolutely HATE dogs being considered property.  This is what allows NC/SC/GA hunters to abuse and starve their hunting hounds and not face any penalties.

[Gardening Grandma]

I hate it as well, singlemominmd.  I posted the laws because the neighbor has clearly violated two of them.  I left a packet in their mailbox yesterday.  I plan to call the sherriff's office today and they'll tell me if I need to call AC.  

She appears to be healing.  I've cut back her pain meds so she is less groggy.  She is bounding around the house, so does not appear to be in pain.  We'll know tomorrow if she is healing well enough to avoid surgery.  Fingers crossed.

[thyme4change]

Putting anything but U.S.P.S. mail into a mailbox is not allowed.  You are also a law breaker.  

[Gardening Grandma]

Well we do it all the time around here.  So arrest me...