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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5
I did not post about this 6 months ago because I thought it was resolved. On Christmas day, DH and I were walking our dogs. Our older dog was attacked by a neighbor's Blue Heeler (Australian Cattle dog). He had exhibited aggressiveness before, but this time, he dashed out of his house, across the street and tore into our 16 year old Golden Retriever. By the time his owner got him off, our guy was bleeding from several places.
Long story short, our guy survived (but it was close) and the neighbor picked up the vet bill (over $700). He promised us it would not happen again. Also he started taking the dog to a trainer and put a shock collar on him.
Today, I was gone and DH walked both dogs by himself. The same dog slipped his leash and this time attacked our 12 year old. She has a LOT of fur and we can find no bites although DH said the dog had white fur in his mouth when his owner got him (she is also a GR but has white flanks). I am going to take her to the vet this afternoon for a look over to make sure she is OK.
We live on a hill - the only route that is not straight up and down is past this neighbor's house. DH says he will not take the dogs alone again that way.
I'm thinking we should make a report to animal control. The dog has attacked two (ours) that we know of and eventually is going to kill someone's dog - I think his history should be on record. It should be noted that he seems to be aggressive only towards other canines, not humans....
WWYD?
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 15:09:17 GMT -5
call animal control.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:10:37 GMT -5
Report him to animal control. Make sure you have all your paperwork, it'll make things go faster.
Here it is three strikes and you're out, the dog will be taken.
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 17, 2013 15:11:09 GMT -5
I would report the dog to Animal Control. It is a "second offense," and the owner needs to be put on notice that his efforts at controlling his animals are insufficient. And yes, included in the report should be the details of the first attack.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:15:05 GMT -5
What kind of paperwork, DQ?
I have the owner's name, address, name and breed of dog. Also date of previous attack (Dec 25, 2012). Copy of vet bill? Anything else?
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 17, 2013 15:15:07 GMT -5
As a dog owner, rescuer, and lover... yes, I say report to animal control. Animals like that should not be out in their front yards/on walks.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:15:54 GMT -5
Well, I am definitely going to report it, but I may ask the vet if they'd be willing to do so. It may carry more weight coming from the vet I'm thinking.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:16:04 GMT -5
Bring your pistol on the next walk and don't hesitate to use it.
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Post by mrsdutt on Jun 17, 2013 15:16:14 GMT -5
I agree.
Not with the pistol, with reporting the incident. (Edited to add this)
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 17, 2013 15:16:39 GMT -5
What kind of paperwork, DQ? I have the owner's name, address, name and breed of dog. Also date of previous attack (Dec 25, 2012). Copy of vet bill? Anything else? Picture(s) of the Heeler. Photos of your Golden's injuries (the vet may have them)? Your written statement or narrative/timeline of the issues and the two attacks.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:17:54 GMT -5
Bring your pistol on the next walk and don't hesitate to use it. We carry pepper spray, but DH had a leash in both hands and could not get to the pepper spray in time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:19:04 GMT -5
Bring your pistol on the next walk and don't hesitate to use it. We carry pepper spray, but DH had a leash in both hands and could not get to the pepper spray in time. tell DH to be locked and loaded next time.,
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:19:12 GMT -5
Well I don't have photos of the dog. I did take pics of the injuries last Christmas, but it was with my iphone and they did not come out. But I CAN write up a statement. Will do that. Anything else? I want to do my homework.
ETA, I can ask the vet for copies of his file from the first attack...
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 17, 2013 15:19:36 GMT -5
Definitely report this - this breed can be smart and tenacious - not a good combination if the dog is also violently aggressive towards other animals. If this dog is intent of getting free, it will likely find a way.
I owned an ACD, and while not dog aggressive (he went to daycare with tons of other dogs) he would literally almost strangle himself to get off leash if he saw another dog. His mind was in a very different place when he was on-leash/with me, versus in a big pen with tons of other dogs. Bit like Jekyll and Hyde. The only collar that I found to work was a Martingale (a hunting collar with "limited" choke).
The owner clearly can't control it, either via training or physically and it will not get better.
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Post by busymom on Jun 17, 2013 15:20:36 GMT -5
1. Report the attack
2. Next time you or DH take the dogs for a walk, carry a squirt gun loaded with ammonia, & aim for the dog's eyes if he attacks. It doesn't sound nice, but it's kinder than shooting the dog. Let animal control decide the fate of that dog, since the owner obviously can't handle this dog.
Sorry your dogs are suffering because of a stupid owner.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:20:36 GMT -5
I'd do something from the vet to show how much damage that dog did to yours. It'd have the date of attack too to back up your claims.
More information to give animal control, the better IMO.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 17, 2013 15:20:56 GMT -5
Report him to animal control. Make sure you have all your paperwork, it'll make things go faster.
Here it is three strikes and you're out, the dog will be taken. They have a three strikes with dog attacks against humans here, but I have never heard of it used for dogs attacking other dogs. As bad as it is, it is considered a misdemeaner type thing here. It is really only the dog being loose that is considered against the law unless it can be proven it was somehow on purpose. You can sue for your damages like vet bills but other than calling animal control every time the dog gets loose there really isn't much you can do legally that I know of. If I was in your position I might start carrying something like a baseball bat or mace though. As soon as that dog came at where I was with my dogs it would get whacked.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:24:22 GMT -5
I think it's three strikes period be it against dogs or people. I've never had a problem with my dogs attacking or being attacked so I'm not sure.
I'd still report it because while it hasn't YET attacked people it certainly could. It's history of getting loose and the owner being unable to control it should be on file in case god forbid it were to attack a person. He'll already have a record with animal control.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 17, 2013 15:32:06 GMT -5
Report to animal control. Even without the bites, the owner is not taking responsibility for the dog as it is off leash in front. The fact that it is dog aggressive is a whole separate issue. You were nice the first time, and you didn't need to be. Report it and let the authorities sort it out.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:32:12 GMT -5
Here we go. From my county
DANGEROUS DOG: (1) Any dog with a propensity, tendency, or disposition to attack, to cause injury to, or to otherwise endanger the safety of humans or other domestic animals; (2) any dog that has been cited for running “at large” three times in one year; or (3) any dog that has attacked another animal once while “at large”.
Any animal owner that has been convicted of, or deemed responsible for, any violation of this Chapter by a court of competent jurisdiction on two (2) occasions in a twelve (12) month period may be designated an “irresponsible animal owner ”.
If an animal owner is convicted of, or deemed responsible for, a third violation of this Chapter by a court of competent jurisdiction in a twelve (12) month period, all animals may be confiscated and disposed of at the discretion of the Animal Control Supervisor, and no animal licenses shall be issued to anyone at the irresponsible animal owner’s residence for a period of thirty-six (36) months from the date of the third court order.
No person designated as an irresponsible animal owner shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership
You might be SOL depending on your laws Grandma for the attack in December but DEFINETLY report the most recent.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 17, 2013 15:35:37 GMT -5
I did work with the local SPCA to determine if a dog was dangerous, and it was always considered completely different from a dog biting a human. Biting a human is a big deal and gets into the dangerous dogs laws and three strikes type things. But if the dog hasn't bitten a human it is basically considered a personal property issue. The owner of the dog bitten whose dog wasn't roaming free could get their bills paid for but the law enforcement wouldn't even get involved unless it was a common occurance.
The way it normally ended up as part of the human law enforcements job to determine if the dog was dangerous was because someone stuck their hand in front of a dogs mouth when it was going after the other dog. I got called in for more than a few of those. My short answer is don't!
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 17, 2013 15:39:43 GMT -5
Here we go. From my county DANGEROUS DOG: (1) Any dog with a propensity, tendency, or disposition to attack, to cause injury to, or to otherwise endanger the safety of humans or other domestic animals; (2) any dog that has been cited for running “at large” three times in one year; or (3) any dog that has attacked another animal once while “at large”. Any animal owner that has been convicted of, or deemed responsible for, any violation of this Chapter by a court of competent jurisdiction on two (2) occasions in a twelve (12) month period may be designated an “irresponsible animal owner”. If an animal owner is convicted of, or deemed responsible for, a third violation of this Chapter by a court of competent jurisdiction in a twelve (12) month period, all animals may be confiscated and disposed of at the discretion of the Animal Control Supervisor, and no animal licenses shall be issued to anyone at the irresponsible animal owner’s residence for a period of thirty-six (36) months from the date of the third court order. No person designated as an irresponsible animal owner shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership You might be SOL depending on your laws Grandma for the attack in December but DEFINETLY report the most recent. I agree that they are an irresponsible owner! All this type of thing does IME is convince them to not get their dog lisenced which causes a whole host of other problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:40:06 GMT -5
report it to animal control. too bad there isn't a place to report an idiot owner. I don't know what kind of trainer he took the dog too, but I don't know any trainer that would recommend a shock collar.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:41:45 GMT -5
I'd move - I mean walking every day up and down a hill?! Totally unacceptable to me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:42:19 GMT -5
The way it normally ended up as part of the human law enforcements job to determine if the dog was dangerous was because someone stuck their hand in front of a dogs mouth when it was going after the other dog
They don't make exceptions here. Our dogs had a record because my stupid husband stuck his hand in Midnight's mouth to break up a fight between her and Sabah. We had to go thru a whole investigation even though it was our dogs and DH admitted it was his fault.
Never had a dog attack issue. I'll have to ask my vet next time we're there, I think they have to report it because of the rabies vaccation laws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:43:19 GMT -5
I'd move - I mean walking every day up and down a hill?! Totally unacceptable to me. No one should live on a hill. The hill may fall on your house.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 15:46:27 GMT -5
What kind of paperwork, DQ? I have the owner's name, address, name and breed of dog. Also date of previous attack (Dec 25, 2012). Copy of vet bill? Anything else? Do you have proof of him paying for your dog's vet bill? A copy of a check or other written agreement that he paid the bill? That would be a pretty solid admission of guilt. He reimbursed us by check - I'll have to look and see if I had the foresight to make a copy of the check.... I'm off to take the 12 y/o to the vet for a look over. Back later - and thanks all!
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 17, 2013 15:51:30 GMT -5
Do you have proof of him paying for your dog's vet bill? A copy of a check or other written agreement that he paid the bill? That would be a pretty solid admission of guilt. He reimbursed us by check - I'll have to look and see if I had the foresight to make a copy of the check.... I'm off to take the 12 y/o to the vet for a look over. Back later - and thanks all! Take pictures of any injuries while at the vet.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 17, 2013 15:53:00 GMT -5
The way it normally ended up as part of the human law enforcements job to determine if the dog was dangerous was because someone stuck their hand in front of a dogs mouth when it was going after the other dog
They don't make exceptions here. Our dogs had a record because my stupid husband stuck his hand in Midnight's mouth to break up a fight between her and Sabah. We had to go thru a whole investigation even though it was our dogs and DH admitted it was his fault. Never had a dog attack issue. I'll have to ask my vet next time we're there, I think they have to report it because of the rabies vaccation laws. It isn't an exception. Regardless of how obvious it was that the person stuck their hand in the dogs mouth as it was biting whatever it had to be evaluated. It probably wouldn't get escalated to dangerous dog though unless the dog showed signs of aggression towards humans when it was evaluated unless it because a something that happened a few times. I actualy had to evaluate a dog that chomped down on it's owner's hand which he stuck into it's mouth while it was chomping on a chicken bone.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2013 15:55:57 GMT -5
I don't think we escalated to dangerous dog, I never asked. Doesn't matter now since it was well over a year ago.
Should have been filed under dumbass owner. I was so mad once we determined his hand was all right.
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