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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:06:53 GMT -5
I think his history should be on record. It should be noted that he seems to be aggressive only towards other canines, not humans....
This doesn't matter, dogs attacking other dogs are only thinking about fighting. A human trying to get the dog away from his dog could be seriously injured even if the dog never intended to go after them specifically.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 16:40:52 GMT -5
2 wounds ( so far). Took pics. Still @ vet
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Post by goldensam on Jun 17, 2013 16:59:46 GMT -5
It is so frustrating when people are irresponsible pet owners. Just a few weeks ago, a neighbor's dog tried to attack my two goldens while it was on a leash. The dog knocked his owner down and charged my dogs but my DF and I were able to get in between the three dogs before anything serious happened. The other dog did get my dog on the back end but didn't hurt her. I know, it's stupid to get between fighting dogs, but it was just instinct to protect mine.
A few days later, I was finishing our walk and coming around the corner and my neighbor had his dog out and as soon as it saw my dogs, it started barking and growling and lunging at us. We were at least 3 houses away still, and it was that determined to get at my girls. Luckily, this time the owner was able to hold on to the leash and let us get on the other side of the street.
I carry pepper spray in the leash bag but I would hate to have to carry a pistol to walk the dogs. I had to do that in my old neighborhood because it was sketchy and had lots of stray, aggressive dogs. Even now, if I see a stray while walking my dogs, my chest tightens up and I immediately begin to panic. If I'm alone, I don't hesitate to pick up loose dogs and take them to their home or a shelter. I'm just afraid of my dogs getting attacked, I guess.
My dogs are incredibly sweet and well behaved and frequently sunbathe in the yard while we are out there and neighbors always comment on how good they are. I just don't know what to do with aggressive dogs.
If I were in your shoes, at the very least, I would document everything with the help of the vet and file a report.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 17, 2013 17:25:07 GMT -5
Vet bill is $415 and she MAY need surgery. Vet is writing a report for animal control.
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Post by t-dog on Jun 17, 2013 17:26:15 GMT -5
In CA dog bites to people are strict liability - not sure about dog on dog bites however. I would absolutely report it to animal control.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 17, 2013 17:29:06 GMT -5
That sucks gg! I hope she avoids surgery.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 17:30:40 GMT -5
I would make sure your neighbor pays the vet bills BEFORE you call animal control.
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 17, 2013 17:38:43 GMT -5
What Thyme said - many times over.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 17, 2013 18:19:24 GMT -5
I would make sure your neighbor pays the vet bills BEFORE you call animal control. I wouldn't. I'd just file in small claims court if she decided not to pay. Especially since it's the second time.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 18:21:15 GMT -5
I would make sure your neighbor pays the vet bills BEFORE you call animal control. I wouldn't. I'd just file in small claims court if she decided not to pay. Especially since it's the second time. The problem is that small claims court doesn't force someone to pay - it just says that legally they still owe you money. You still have to actually collect the money. If getting the money is important to you, get the money, and then call with the complaint. I don't think the action against the dog will be any different if you call it in today, or a week from now. Who knows? After you hand the owner another $700 bill, they might resolve the dog issue all by themselves and you won't have to call it in at all.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 17, 2013 18:25:55 GMT -5
Yes, but I'd be more worried about getting the dog off the street, than collecting for the vet bill.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 18:28:22 GMT -5
That really sucks GG. I can't believe the owners are so irresponsible as to let it happen a second time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 18:36:42 GMT -5
I'd be less worried about the vet bill than reporting the incident. It would suck to pay it, but it would suck more to delay nd have something else happen before there could b action on he report.
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 18, 2013 16:00:55 GMT -5
Bump. GG - how's your Golden? Any update? (fur babies matter )
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Post by Bob Ross on Jun 18, 2013 16:09:14 GMT -5
Everyone knows that the food chain goes mouse -> cat -> dog -> elephant. So get an elephant.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 18, 2013 16:20:37 GMT -5
Bump. GG - how's your Golden? Any update? (fur babies matter ) Thanks for asking. She is on pain meds (Tramadol), antibiotics (Clavamox) and anti inflamatory (Rimadyl). Follow up appt is Friday to see hiw she is healing and whether surgery will be needed. Mostly she is sleepy and groggy from the pain meds. But she is eating just fine, drinking water and pottying - so far so good. I'll decrease her Tramadol tomorrow to two tablets/day instead of the three she is on now. I'm too upset to talk to the neighbor. I plan to leave a note in their mailbox along woth photos, the vet bill and the vet's statement. As well as my intent to notify AC. Of course I want them to pay the bill, but that is not the major issue. The major issue is that they need to deal with the aggressive dog. At least muzzle him out of the house.... I don't expect much from AC, but there needs to be a record (heck, for all I know, there already is)
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 18, 2013 16:39:39 GMT -5
Glad to hear she is on the mend! And that you are moving forward with plans to protect her (and you) in the future.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 18, 2013 16:48:42 GMT -5
GG- I would just put the vet bill in their mailbox and leave it at that - say your vet told animal control, not you. Takes the pressure off.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 18, 2013 16:53:03 GMT -5
GG- I would just put the vet bill in their mailbox and leave it at that - say your vet told animal control, not you. Takes the pressure off.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 18, 2013 17:23:48 GMT -5
GG- I would just put the vet bill in their mailbox and leave it at that - say your vet told animal control, not you. Takes the pressure off. Tempting thought. Although I'm pretty angry right now and really don't care. What I DO want is for them to muzzle the dog when it is out of the house. DH and I have agreed that one of us will never again walk both dogs. If one of us is gone, the other will walk them one at a time - to keep a free hand on the pepper spray.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 18, 2013 17:33:18 GMT -5
GG- I would just put the vet bill in their mailbox and leave it at that - say your vet told animal control, not you. Takes the pressure off. Tempting thought. Although I'm pretty angry right now and really don't care. What I DO want is for them to muzzle the dog when it is out of the house. DH and I have agreed that one of us will never again walk both dogs. If one of us is gone, the other will walk them one at a time - to keep a free hand on the pepper spray. unfortunately, I've always walked my dogs separately for that very reason. When DS was young, I wouldn't take him along. I couldn't guarantee I could get the dog and the kid out of any potential situation.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Jun 18, 2013 17:42:43 GMT -5
GG- I would just put the vet bill in their mailbox and leave it at that - say your vet told animal control, not you. Takes the pressure off. Tempting thought. Although I'm pretty angry right now and really don't care. What I DO want is for them to muzzle the dog when it is out of the house. DH and I have agreed that one of us will never again walk both dogs. If one of us is gone, the other will walk them one at a time - to keep a free hand on the pepper spray. This situation sux and I am glad both of your pups are ok. Is there a nice park or walking trail or such close by? Perhaps you might drive the dogs to a nice spot for a walk, driving right on past that aggressive dog. It sounds silly, but people who don't have nice walking routes nearby drive to them all the time.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Jun 18, 2013 17:58:42 GMT -5
Pepper spray....nonsense, I'd go for a tazer. A little tit for tat doesn't hurt. Do that one time to the dog and he probably won't be a bother again.
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Post by ginpin on Jun 18, 2013 20:15:34 GMT -5
My old neighbor had two American bulldogs and a Blue Heeler that she would let run loose on her property. The problem was, they soon thought my property was their property as well. These dogs kept coming over and attacking my dog through the fence. The heeler actually bit my son, when he was trying to run them off our property.
I was the 'nice' neighbor, and didn't call animal control because I knew she had a lot on her plate(her son was born with birth defects). I didn't want to cause problems, but I truly regret NOT getting A/C involved. It would have saved a lot of aggravation, and might have prevented problems in the long run. My remaining dog is very territorial, and I know this is due to being on guard all the time.
Count me in for filing that report, and hit your neighbor in the pocket book.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 18, 2013 20:52:39 GMT -5
Are blue heelers & red heelers very different breeds? I had two red heelers & they were the sweetest dogs. If that is similar to a blue heeler, I am wondering what happened to that dog to become so aggressive.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 18, 2013 22:34:37 GMT -5
Angel, I know nothing about heelers (red or blue). This is the only contact I've had with a Blue Heeler. I don't know if it is the breed or the dog. But he clearly is dangerous.
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Post by ginpin on Jun 19, 2013 6:51:09 GMT -5
Blue and red heelers ARE the same breed, just different colors. But they are herding dogs, and wicked smart. If the owner doesn't train them, they will quite gladly entertain themselves. Herding dogs are normally territorial, so this is entirely the owner's fault for not keeping his dog contained/trained. www.akc.org/breeds/australian_cattle_dog/index.cfm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 7:15:10 GMT -5
Angel, I know nothing about heelers (red or blue). This is the only contact I've had with a Blue Heeler. I don't know if it is the breed or the dog. But he clearly is dangerous. it's neither the breed nor the dog, it's the owner. lazy owners who don't bother to train their dogs and then the dog is at fault. I wish the crappy owners could be put down.
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Post by sunshinegal1981 on Jun 19, 2013 9:06:46 GMT -5
Pepper spray....nonsense, I'd go for a tazer. A little tit for tat doesn't hurt. Do that one time to the dog and he probably won't be a bother again. I understand the high emotions of the situation you're in, but I don't think I could bring myself to hurt another animal just because I wanted to punish its irresponsible owner. :-( Were the owners of the heeler even present for the second incident? Or did they find out about it after the fact, via vet bill in mailbox?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 19, 2013 10:01:23 GMT -5
Pepper spray....nonsense, I'd go for a tazer. A little tit for tat doesn't hurt. Do that one time to the dog and he probably won't be a bother again. I understand the high emotions of the situation you're in, but I don't think I could bring myself to hurt another animal just because I wanted to punish its irresponsible owner. :-( Were the owners of the heeler even present for the second incident? Or did they find out about it after the fact, via vet bill in mailbox? We are trying to be calm. We have to live in this neighborhood. Yes, the owner was present at the second attack. He pulled his dog off ours (the dog had white fur in his mouth). I don't think he realizes that she was hurt. Her fur hid the blood and even DH at first, thought she was Ok. The dog's owner has not called to ask. I am writing a note - aiming for a tone of careful restraint, but the photos, the vet's report and bill should all make the message clear. I am asking (in the strongest, but polite terms) that they muzzle the dog in public. If they don't, I am seriously considering buying a cattle prod. I have to protect my dogs. They are old and frail and cannot continue to be chewed up.
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