zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 23, 2013 17:47:26 GMT -5
Sadly, she is and there's a lot more just like her.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 23, 2013 17:47:42 GMT -5
And doxies kid should pay for that? You think even most people who get WIC or an EITC are like that? I don't think the government should be an open checkbook. Hunger motivates. I have no problem feeding kids but the able-bodied adults should be left to starve until the get the motivation to work.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 23, 2013 17:49:27 GMT -5
Amen and, yes, you can feed the kids without feeding the parents. Shut, we feed them breakfast and lunch already the weekends we send them backpacks filled with food while momma sits on the dole and collects money for them and even food stamps that she doesn't use to feed her own children with. Children should be leeching off their parents not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 17:49:45 GMT -5
Explain to me how that will work. Seriously, I'm asking. It's easy to bitch. It's hard to offer viable alternatives.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 23, 2013 17:50:54 GMT -5
It's been explained over and over to you, you just don't want to hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 17:55:11 GMT -5
No it hasn't.
You mean take all the kids away and give them to someone else? Lol people want babies zib. We already have waiting lists for kids, and a broken foster care system.
And who do you take away? Any kid whose parents qualify for EITC... Guess what, I'm pretty sure you did... Anyone who qualifies for WIC? Who do you take? What are the criteria? And where do you put them? Are you taking in a few?
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 23, 2013 17:59:41 GMT -5
If I could make sure their crap parents wouldn't be able to do JUST ENOUGH to get their meal ticket back, I'd do it. But there's always going to be people like you who think the public trough should be sucked dry. Think if we weren't supporting those freeloading parents and no, I didn't get WIC and welfare and all that other crap, what we could do with that money. I'd have worked a fourth job before shaming myself or my family by taking other people's hard earned money. Too bad others like you don't feel the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 18:09:07 GMT -5
Four jobs? Who'd be actually raising the children then?
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Post by zdaddy on Apr 24, 2013 11:39:34 GMT -5
I hadn't had a chance to respond to the thread I started, but now have a minute to play devil's advocate about a few things. 1. One of the problems with America's school system is not just the money we spend, because it's accurate to say we spend a lot and don't see enough for it. But here's the problem - our best students whose parents can afford to pay for enrichment and quality daycares do just fine in our school system. It's the poor kids who start way behind who continue to struggle for the rest of their lives. Ensuring they have quality care would likely greatly improve the overall education system, since what happens in the first 5-6 years of life really affects what's happens in K-college. 2. I'm not convinced that we'd need to raise taxes 20 percent to pay for expanded daycare services. First, we could devert defense spending by a good 20-50 billion and still remain far better armed than most other countries combined. Second, I think the idea of having welfare recipients serve as staff at govt-run daycares is a brilliant idea, as long as they are overseen by more qualified staff with college degrees in early education. Third, the money we invest on getting kids out of poverty is money we save down the road on prison costs or welfare.
3. Most of the people who childcare subsidies would really help are doing the right thing. They're out there trying to work, and many are working 2-3 jobs already. That's the problem - there isn't enough affordable quality care for someone working their tail off at low-wage jobs.
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Post by Firebird on Apr 24, 2013 16:35:29 GMT -5
oped is right, the issue is way too complicated for a pat answer like "well just give kids whose parents won't support them to people who will." That's a VERY drastic final solution. I wouldn't be in favor of employing it too hastily and again, the reason for that is the kids. They're the ones who suffer the trauma of being yanked from one home to another. If a family is doing a good and loving job raising their children with assistance, I don't advocate for their children to be taken away JUST because they're on assistance.
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