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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 22, 2013 10:12:48 GMT -5
I have to wonder what kind of GED these 12 year old high school graduates got. If I'm not mistaken, you can get a GED without mastering a particularly high level of math/English, etc. I could see these kids getting a GED that is basically the equivalent to a 10th or 11th grade education in a top college prep school and then spending a year or so covering the kind of material they would be covering in 11th-12th grade in a college prep high school at the local community college. If the parents didn't think there were any good choices for high school, paying for CC would be an appealing option. In my neck of the woods, CC costs less than half what any private high school costs.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 22, 2013 10:25:46 GMT -5
It has things like fractions. Not trig or anything.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 22, 2013 10:26:53 GMT -5
You know, considering the number of professions that require you to be in school until you're pushing 30, accellerating school would make those professions more appealing to girls who also wanted families, since they wouldn't be nearing the end of their fertility by the time thier careers start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:29:57 GMT -5
Can we assume these are high IQ kids? Maybe it says we should be giving more individualized learning to children with higher potential. Slow tracking everyone to a low median education level does not help anyone.In general all children could be tracked faster through school with more focused education time during school. I went to a school system that did track students based on IQ. They got sued & told to knock it off. Guess it's better to be mediocre together than to take the brightest students and accelerate their capabilities. Sometimes the masses are kind of stupid. Sometimes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:36:25 GMT -5
You know, considering the number of professions that require you to be in school until you're pushing 30, accellerating school would make those professions more appealing to girls who also wanted families, since they wouldn't be nearing the end of their fertility by the time thier careers start. you can do both, but there is certainly a decision to be made if you want to be a female professional.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 22, 2013 10:51:23 GMT -5
And maybe that's a problem with our society today. 12-16 year olds used to hang out with adults. They used to be apprentices, they used to be socialized BY adults and not teenagers... Which is why we are now wanting schools to teach personal finance, birth control and basically raise the kids, since kids with uninvolved or idiotic parents have no other sources of mentoring. My grandmother's family didn't care about her at all. Thank goodness the neighbors stepped in and mentored her. They'd be consdered busybodies and possible pedophiles today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 11:56:10 GMT -5
I have to wonder what kind of GED these 12 year old high school graduates got. If I'm not mistaken, you can get a GED without mastering a particularly high level of math/English, etc. I could see these kids getting a GED that is basically the equivalent to a 10th or 11th grade education in a top college prep school and then spending a year or so covering the kind of material they would be covering in 11th-12th grade in a college prep high school at the local community college. If the parents didn't think there were any good choices for high school, paying for CC would be an appealing option. In my neck of the woods, CC costs less than half what any private high school costs. This is essentially what we will probably do. It's not just cc. Dual enrollment where we have looked is cheaper credit hour than regular status.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2013 12:01:59 GMT -5
...fwiw, I find this thread interesting because I don't recall similar outrage about children who are elite athletes... we applaud and admire those at the Olympics and/or championships... and even place their faces on Wheaties boxes to inspire our own kids... but watch a family of elite academics advancing to higher education before their neighbors and we cry foul...
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 22, 2013 12:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 22, 2013 12:19:52 GMT -5
...fwiw, I find this thread interesting because I don't recall similar outrage about children who are elite athletes... we applaud and admire those at the Olympics and/or championships... and even place their faces on Wheaties boxes to inspire our own kids... but watch a family of elite academics advancing to higher education before their neighbors and we cry foul... And don't forget that the kids who do achieve academically must be weirdos who have no other interests or social skills. They can't possibly be just bright kids who were allowed to blossom at their own pace.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 22, 2013 12:21:57 GMT -5
...fwiw, I find this thread interesting because I don't recall similar outrage about children who are elite athletes... we applaud and admire those at the Olympics and/or championships... and even place their faces on Wheaties boxes to inspire our own kids... but watch a family of elite academics advancing to higher education before their neighbors and we cry foul... I've been quite critical of youth athletics in general, and especially of young Olympians. I've been told I'm a real pill about it. (And my feelings are also wrong.)
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Post by swamp on Apr 22, 2013 12:23:27 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of youth athletics. I also think that kids should not be competing internationally before they're out of high school.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2013 12:36:41 GMT -5
...any similar thoughts for child actors/entertainers? ??
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 22, 2013 12:37:46 GMT -5
...any similar thoughts for child actors/entertainers? ?? Yes - we discussed it on the 6 year old Millionaire thread. I don't want my children to be famous as kids.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2013 12:43:05 GMT -5
...okay... and if your child wants stardom? and can achieve it via politics, entertaining, medical research, Bob Ross's spaceship design?
...there's no correct answer here, so please don't think I'm putting you on the spot... I just find it an interesting line of questioning because it speaks to the nature/nurture debate and the pros/cons of parental control...
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 22, 2013 12:51:03 GMT -5
If my child wants stardom via politics, they can do that when they are 18. I'm pretty sure they won't be winning any elections as an 8 year old.
If my child wants to be an entertainer, the good news is, I'm past that decision point. If they suddenly came to me and said they wanted to act, sing or dance - they are way behind. They couldn't go out for an audition now. If they were very passionate about it, I would enroll them in whatever classes they would need to get the skill set, but I would discourage them from following that path until they graduated high school.
I'm kind of past the point where my kids are going to be 12 year old wonder-children. They aren't in the top 3% of our peer group, much less all kids their age, in any particular thing - so I doubt they will be superstars in any field in less than 3 years. I'm not sure how I would have answered the question differently 10 years ago. But, I do recall saying that the likelihood that we produce a professional athlete is pretty low because it will never be a priority to me and without my full cooperation, the kids will have a really hard time getting to an elite level.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 22, 2013 13:07:48 GMT -5
I had to get my GED as part of the entrance requirement, so I had a high school diploma equivalent.
Your question ignores the other side of the issue though. I took the ACT at 14 to get into the local community college. I scored a 32. The average high school senior scores right around a 20. The ACT composite scores for new freshman admitted to Harvard and Stanford is 30 - 34. My scores were comfortably Ivy League level. Now, I want you to imagine how amazingly fucking bored I was in your average small town high school freshman classes. My first trimester as a freshman there were 55 academic days, I skipped 22 of them, and maintained a 4.0 GPA, but the district wasn't going to give me a single credit because I violated the minimum attendance policy. If I had been forced to stay in high school because people thought it would be weird for me to be in community college classes with older students I would have dropped out.
Sometimes. Other times I look at people I know with college degrees that honestly seem a little too stupid to be living on their own and I think our society places way too much emphasis on a piece of paper that's clearly too easy to get.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 22, 2013 14:13:48 GMT -5
Yes Dark, but because you didn't go the whole 12 years in regular school, you were deprived of having a normal childhood, your parents must have been the 'Toddlers in Tiaras' or 'Tiger Mom' types and you are clearly doomed to be socially awkward for the rest of your life.
Didn't you get the memo?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 22, 2013 14:15:46 GMT -5
Actually - I said that the kid will be burned out before they are 35. And look what happened. Dark burned out and mooned his boss at 32 years old. See 100% of our sample size proves me right. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by swamp on Apr 22, 2013 14:16:10 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) . Dark pretty much admits be being a bit of a misfit............
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Post by telephus44 on Apr 22, 2013 14:22:06 GMT -5
You know, considering the number of professions that require you to be in school until you're pushing 30, accellerating school would make those professions more appealing to girls who also wanted families, since they wouldn't be nearing the end of their fertility by the time thier careers start. What about girls who want to be SAHM's? Would a true un-schooler just give her a copy of Taking Charge of Your Fertility and let her go out on Saturday nights whenever she demonstrates interest?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 14:22:44 GMT -5
You know, considering the number of professions that require you to be in school until you're pushing 30, accellerating school would make those professions more appealing to girls who also wanted families, since they wouldn't be nearing the end of their fertility by the time thier careers start. What about girls who want to be SAHM's? Would a true un-schooler just give her a copy of Taking Charge of Your Fertility and let her go out on Saturday nights whenever she demonstrates interest? fuckin' AYE!!!!
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Post by sunbee on Apr 22, 2013 15:06:15 GMT -5
As someone who did college part time at 14, I'll say this: if the group is hanging out to talk about the warping of space-time by high mass objects then it really doesn't matter how old you are, only if you understand enough to participate. A lot of people here are equating hanging out with partying. The kids who start college early naturally gravitate to the studious crowd, who really don't care about anything but whether or not you can keep up. I was out past midnight many times--at the observatory. I've been on both sides of it--part of the older college kids with the youngster joining in, and the youngster wanting to join the older group. From neither side was age an issue. (College guys, unlike the high school guys, never offered any sexual interest--probably having a grasp of stat rape laws and, you know, being interested in girls that were their own age.) The adults I knew who started college early are doing pretty well for themselves: I'm the exception but I'm busy with family and don't really care about not having a high power career.
Will my kids start college early? Sure, no reason not to--though they'll live at home, of course. I'm homeschooling, and I don't push them, yet they're still ahead. Why should kids be held back just because their age doesn't match their academic abilities? That's what the school district here does, then complains when bored kids get into trouble. At some point, when you home school, you get beyond what you can teach at home. You need labs. You need teachers who can teach things you don't know--hire a tutor, or sign the child up for college classes. At the rate eldest is going, he'll be doing calculus in seventh grade.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 22, 2013 16:39:14 GMT -5
One point thyme. I was socially awkward way WAY before I started college, even going early. I think the cosmic org chart has a mistake in it. I never get the memos. It's all good though, I'd probably ignore most of them anyway. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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