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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 18, 2013 15:27:31 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between taking a few classes and actually "enrolled" and working towards a degree.
I can see doing the former if you have a very bright kid and they want to take some classes in subjects they're interested in outside of normal school. I'm not sure about having a kid "graduate" from high school at 12 and enrolling in college with the idea of getting a degree at 16.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 18, 2013 15:28:17 GMT -5
They are also missing out on the social aspects of being 12. Like what? I mean I understand the argument that they aren't in school with other 12 year olds. But that would be the case if instead of college they just stayed homeschooled. There's nothing stopping them from socializing with other 12 year olds the saem way they would if htey were homeschooled. Depending on the circumstances I think the parents have to really make an effort to get the kid involved in social activities when homeschooling. There weren't many kids my age in the neighborhood where I grew up. When I think about it all my friends were kids I met at school. At the age of 12 my activities outside of school were mainly dance classes and I can't say there was much social interaction involved in ballet or tap. We didn't go to church so I didn't meet kids there. If I hadn't gone to school there could have be many days where I wouldn't have seen another kid. I am an extremely social person and always have been (even at 12) so I personally looked forward to going to school most everyday. On the weekends I always either had friends from school come to my house or I went there.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 18, 2013 15:28:52 GMT -5
Again, what makes you think that homeschooled kids who go to the local CC don't hang out with other kids? There are neighbor kids, church activities, community center activities, sports leagues, and homeschoolers generally do get together for various stuff. Didn't you have any friends who went to other schools when you were in school? Would there be any common topics/interests? A 12 year old who goes to college and a 12 year old who is in Grade 7.....how much common things do you think they will have with other kids the same age in their church, community, sports league etc? Ok, so now you're saying that a 12 year old homeschooled kid won't have anything in common with the other college students because he's 12 and also won't have anything in common with any other 12 year olds because he's smart. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either the kid is mature or he isn't. In every school in the country, smart kids do all kinds of activities with dumb kids and have a grand time. And when you're homeschooling, all it takes to graduate at 12 is to be slightly above average intelligence and willing to spend more than 3 hours a day on schoolwork, not a particularly high bar. As long as the kid is smart enough to either participate in a homeschoolers activity or not let it slip that he's in college, he'll do fine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 15:29:09 GMT -5
Careful, Tenn... you're going to get me to advocate for unschooling...
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 18, 2013 15:30:27 GMT -5
::Besides, what employer is going to hire a 16 year old kid to do a professional job? There's a lot more to being an adult than knowing lots of stuff.::
I would guess, without any real empirical evidence, that a 16 year old driven enough to be done with college is likely as/more mature than many 18-22 year olds.
Is a 16 year old graduate going to be less mature than a 30 year old professional? Probably. Are they going to be less mature than a bunch of 22 yaer olds fresh out of college? I don't know.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2013 15:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 18, 2013 15:30:46 GMT -5
"While I agree with you, what do we do with these kids in the mean time."
Well, as noted above, I think it's fine to take some college classes in addition to regular school, but not "enrolled" with the idea of getting a degree.
Beyond that, these smart kids should be able to learn on their own with nothing more than a library card. And there are other ways to get experiences. Traveling, maybe volunteering with companies if they're willing to take you. And you can never run out of books to read.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 18, 2013 15:33:12 GMT -5
::Would there be any common topics/interests? A 12 year old who goes to college and a 12 year old who is in Grade 7.....how much common things do you think they will have with other kids the same age in their church, community, sports league etc? ::
I dunno, I'm 32, I have 10 year old nephews. We have video games, playing sports, watching sports, movies, and music in common. Is it going to be much different?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 15:33:34 GMT -5
Ok, so now you're saying that a 12 year old homeschooled kid won't have anything in common with the other college students because he's 12 and also won't have anything in common with any other 12 year olds because he's smart. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either the kid is mature or he isn't. Smart and mature aren't the same things.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 18, 2013 15:38:29 GMT -5
Ok, so now you're saying that a 12 year old homeschooled kid won't have anything in common with the other college students because he's 12 and also won't have anything in common with any other 12 year olds because he's smart. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either the kid is mature or he isn't.
But that is the way it is. Just because a kid is smart enough to be able to handle a college curriculum, it does not mean that he would have the same interests of a college student. And that same 12 year old student is not going to understand why his peers are trying to understand algebra.
It is not merely a matter of maturity. It is more a matter of having the same interests as your peers and a 12 year old college student really doesn't have any peers.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 18, 2013 15:40:41 GMT -5
::And that same 12 year old student is not going to understand why his peers are trying to understand algebra.::
I was 12 once, at no point did my peers and I have any discussions about them trying to understand algebra.
I fully agree on the idea most 12 year olds won't be hanging out with their college student classmates.
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 18, 2013 15:43:00 GMT -5
It sounds like this family has found the "secret" to successful home schooling. They've sent 6 kids to college by age 12. It seems like a success to me, but I'd love to hear other opinions. From the article:By 12, Seth was hanging out with students nearly twice his age, studying the Middle Ages at Faulkner University, near his home in Montgomery, Alabama. "How's he doing?" I ask assistant professor Grover Plunkett.
"He's got the highest average in the class." Seth was motivated by his brother Keith's success. Keith is just down the hall, studying finite mathematics, a college senior -- at 14. "It makes you wonder,” their friend Wesley Jimmerson says, shaking his head. "Are they advanced, or are we just really behind?"
Sister Hannah was the first of the Harding kids to take college entrance exams -- at age 12. "I didn't expect to pass,” she says, “so I started crying, because I was thinking, 'Now what?'" By 22 she was designing spacecraft. She holds master's degrees in math and mechanical engineering.
read more here Hmm - at 15 I was running the kitchen of a linen table cloth restaurant (which didn't belong to my family). Cooking, baking, managing inventory, managing sanitation, supervising and scheduling kitchen staff and servers. Does that qualify me as a culinary prodigy? Or was I just a precocious snot nosed kid a little too big for his britches?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Apr 18, 2013 15:43:36 GMT -5
::And that same 12 year old student is not going to understand why his peers are trying to understand algebra.:: I was 12 once, at no point did my peers and I have any discussions about them trying to understand algebra. I fully agree on the idea most 12 year olds won't be hanging out with their college student classmates. I think they're trying to politely say that the 12 year old will think his peers are stupid if they're struggling with something so "easy" but not be interested in getting drunk like his college counterparts. I could be wrong, but that's how I'm boiling it down..... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif)
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 18, 2013 15:47:35 GMT -5
::I think they're trying to politely say that the 12 year old will think his peers are stupid if they're struggling with something so "easy" but not be interested in getting drunk like his college counterparts.::
I understand, and what I'm saying is that at 12, unless i was specifically in class to see a kid struggling, I had no idea whether they were smart in a subject or not. Because 12 year old kids don't sit around like old biddies talking about "algebra is hard, I'm struggling with it". They're talking about how awesome the new Madden game is and playing basketball and punching each other. When I was 12 I hung out with the kids in my neighborhood, ages 10-14 or so, I had no idea who was even smart in school or not because it was irrelevant to all of us.
I mean even today, I think most of my peers are dumb as bricks, it doesn't keep me from having fun with them socially though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 18, 2013 15:48:54 GMT -5
If they are good little future YM-ers they'd use their peers not knowing algebra to their advantage and start charging to do their homework for them. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 18, 2013 15:50:35 GMT -5
::Hmm - at 15 I was running the kitchen of a linen table cloth restaurant.::
I don't know why but I get a kick out of the idea that this sounds like the fact that there were linen table cloths is supposed to be some kind of status on the restaurant.
I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Apr 18, 2013 15:54:47 GMT -5
::I think they're trying to politely say that the 12 year old will think his peers are stupid if they're struggling with something so "easy" but not be interested in getting drunk like his college counterparts.:: I understand, and what I'm saying is that at 12, unless i was specifically in class to see a kid struggling, I had no idea whether they were smart in a subject or not. Because 12 year old kids don't sit around like old biddies talking about "algebra is hard, I'm struggling with it". They're talking about how awesome the new Madden game is and playing basketball and punching each other. When I was 12 I hung out with the kids in my neighborhood, ages 10-14 or so, I had no idea who was even smart in school or not because it was irrelevant to all of us. I mean even today, I think most of my peers are dumb as bricks, it doesn't keep me from having fun with them socially though. When I was 12, I knew which of my classmates were utter morons and I didn't hang out with them, they annoyed me. If they were that stupid they weren't someone I wanted to hang around. I didn't jump off the bridge when all my friends did either. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by movingforward on Apr 18, 2013 16:03:20 GMT -5
When I was 12, I knew which of my classmates were utter morons and I didn't hang out with them, they annoyed me. If they were that stupid they weren't someone I wanted to hang around. I didn't jump off the bridge when all my friends did either. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) True, but I also wasn't hanging out with the overly intellectual socially awkward Shelton Coopers of the world either
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 18, 2013 16:06:48 GMT -5
::I think they're trying to politely say that the 12 year old will think his peers are stupid if they're struggling with something so "easy" but not be interested in getting drunk like his college counterparts.:: I understand, and what I'm saying is that at 12, unless i was specifically in class to see a kid struggling, I had no idea whether they were smart in a subject or not. Because 12 year old kids don't sit around like old biddies talking about "algebra is hard, I'm struggling with it". They're talking about how awesome the new Madden game is and playing basketball and punching each other. When I was 12 I hung out with the kids in my neighborhood, ages 10-14 or so, I had no idea who was even smart in school or not because it was irrelevant to all of us. I mean even today, I think most of my peers are dumb as bricks, it doesn't keep me from having fun with them socially though. I had my first beer at 12...I would have been very interested in getting drunk with the college kids...of course, that was also why I wouldn't have been in college at 12 ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Apr 18, 2013 16:16:34 GMT -5
When I was 12, I knew which of my classmates were utter morons and I didn't hang out with them, they annoyed me. If they were that stupid they weren't someone I wanted to hang around. I didn't jump off the bridge when all my friends did either. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) True, but I also wasn't hanging out with the overly intellectual socially awkward Shelton Coopers of the world either Me either, mostly because he went to a specialized high school after 9th grade. I missed him, he was funny. Guess we never had any true Sheldons, but he would have thought I was too stupid to talk to anyway, so it's all good. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 18, 2013 16:21:09 GMT -5
We can absolutely have it both ways. It isn't unimaginable that he doesn't fit in in either world - because he isn't a "normal" 12 year old, and he isn't a "normal" college student. [/span]
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 18, 2013 16:24:29 GMT -5
It might be a good idea to get them through college while they're still too young to turn stupid and spend 6 years getting a communications degree because they spend all their time drinking, smoking pot, and trying to get laid. 10 years later the degree is a degree whether they finished it at 16 or finished it at 25.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 18, 2013 16:26:38 GMT -5
The 12 year old full time student probably qualifies for all kinds of scholarships and stuff. They finish at 16, spend several years fucking around working shitty jobs, drinking, or whatever "experience" they missed out on by going to college too early. Then they start looking for real jobs.
Their counterparts who went to college at the normal time graduate with the same degree, don't get a few years to fuck off after school, and graduate with student loans.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Apr 18, 2013 16:33:40 GMT -5
The possibility of having a genius child who can enter college at 12 is further proof that a real YM-er saves 2 college tuitions in CASH before having sex. We all think we'll have 18 years to save, but could end up losing 1/3 of that time because junior got wicked smarts from somewhere. Although yeah, if a college wants to bet on my 12 year old and pay the ride for me... that could be good too. So if you are a true YM-er and your kid goes to college at 12, does that mean they are out the door and on their own at 12 too? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 18, 2013 16:36:42 GMT -5
My kids are out the door and on their own at 12 whether they're in college or not. Not my fault they fucked around and only got through sixth grade by 12. They need to take some responsibility for their choices. I've already told my older one to start thinking about what's going to fit in a single backpack, and picked out the refrigerator box she'll be living in at the end of the school year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 16:38:47 GMT -5
This "evidence" in support of homeschooling is just one particular case. There's no real indication these kids couldn't have done the same or similar in another schooling situation.
I've kind of always felt that homeschoolers generally rank "ahead" of public school is not because public school is necessarily inferior to homeschooling, but because by definition, homeschooled kids have parents that take great value in investing their education. Whereas public school has parents who are interested and uninterested in their child's education. Also homeschooling generally requires at least a middle class income to support a homemaker to act as the homeschooler, which means the family is likely a bit higher income than the average public school family. And as we all know, there's is a correlation between socioeconomic status and educational attainment.
So a combination of higher socioeconomic standing and parents that care about and invest in their kid's education means they would likely succeed and fare better than your average public school kid. Not necessarly because homeschooling itself is a suprior form of education.
I would pose that kids with a smilar demographic and background that lends to homeschooling would succeed if they were in public or private school as well as homeschooling. Bingo! Phoenix ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 18, 2013 16:47:44 GMT -5
We can absolutely have it both ways. It isn't unimaginable that he doesn't fit in in either world - because he isn't a "normal" 12 year old, and he isn't a "normal" college student. [/span][/quote] And how is having a smart kid bored senseless sitting in some classroom with a bunch of morons and getting called out for being the brightest one in the class one going to improve his social standing? At least if the kid is going to school someplace else, he can just not talk about school and have fun doing other things, many of which he may not be good at. If being smart in school isn't an automatic ticket to systematic abuse, then whatever coping mechanisms a smart schoolkid uses to get along can be used much more easily by a kid whose intelligence isn't shoved in the other kids faces. I wasn't socially savy enough to avoid the brainy kid bullying in school, but I participated in all kinds of other activities without any problems because schoolwork and GPA's were never brought up.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 18, 2013 16:53:13 GMT -5
And for the record, there are a lot of dirt poor homeschoolers. Most don't have both parents working and they tend to have very large families.
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