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Post by doxieluvr on Apr 15, 2013 20:07:31 GMT -5
I always bought a seat for my kids even as babies. One oxygen mask per seat. Enough said. Same here. Mostly because I like to strap the car seat in and five point harness them to a seat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 6:57:54 GMT -5
I always bought a seat for my kids even as babies. One oxygen mask per seat. Enough said. Same here. Mostly because I like to strap the car seat in and five point harness them to a seat. actually there is at least one row in an airplane with an extra oxygen mask and the flight attendant will move people around to make sure the lap infant and parent are in that row.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 7:08:34 GMT -5
actually there is at least one row in an airplane with an extra oxygen mask and the flight attendant will move people around to make sure the lap infant and parent are in that row. That would be a major hassle. Even if you board early so you can get that seat, the flight attendants have to seek out the person who was supposed to be there (plus anyone traveling with them) and tell them to go sit in your seat, which may involve walking towards the front of the plane against the tide of people coming and trying to stow their bags. And people get very picky about where they're sitting and may refuse to give up an aisle seat near the front, for example, for your middle seat in the back. So now the flight attendant has to find someone willing to change. If you really want to go this route, I'd suggest you get on seatguru.com and find out which seat has the double oxygen masks and book it. Otherwise, I repeat, get your child his/her own seat.
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Post by doxieluvr on Apr 16, 2013 7:48:14 GMT -5
For my own sanity, I am cool with getting my toddler his own seat. He would not sit in my lap for 5 minutes, let alone a three hour flight. His carseat is one of the few places you can put him, without the concern of him starting a fire, breaking a window, or any other disaster you can think of. He may get a window seat, if it is not the aisle where you can open the window. He would be the toddler to figure it out.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 16, 2013 8:49:28 GMT -5
My .02 on the "nursing thing".. You are feeding your child. You are attempting to be discrete. If someone is offended, then that is their problem.
If I were planning to travel with an active toddler, I would not be above taking some Benadryl.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 16, 2013 8:56:37 GMT -5
I am one of those that think women should be discrete when feeding their infants. If it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to the world when a baby isn't latch onto, then it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to people ever. Just my opinioni and I'm always in the minority...I'm ok with that
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Post by The Captain on Apr 16, 2013 9:21:43 GMT -5
My .02 on the "nursing thing".. You are feeding your child. You are attempting to be discrete. If someone is offended, then that is their problem. If I were planning to travel with an active toddler, I would not be above taking some Benadryl. For you or the kid? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by midjd on Apr 16, 2013 9:22:17 GMT -5
Where are you people hanging out that women are whipping out their boobs all the time? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) I have been around a LOT of breastfeeding women and can't say I've ever seen anything non-PG, or even any fat rolls. And these are close friends/relatives, so ostensibly less worried about exposing anything to me than to a group of strangers. I doubt there's enough of an issue with indiscreet nursers that it deserves much comment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 9:23:22 GMT -5
If I were planning to travel with an active toddler, I would not be above taking some Benadryl. You need to test it beforehand. One travel writer found out that Benadryl had the opposite effect on his little boy. I agree with the sentiment, though. My nephew was a physically active kid from Day One. They had to watch him carefully or he'd be out on his tricycle before anyone knew. He wasn't really misbehaving- he was just happier in motion. My SIL once had to fly with him and his 2 siblings to FL without my brother and she had the doc prescribe a mild tranquilizer. Unfortunately they landed late and it started to wear off before it was suposed to. I also know a colleague at work whose wife did the same thing when taking their 2 small kids to Australia. When it comes to medications I am a minimalist, but in cases such as this it might be appropriate. And I should mention that my nephew has since won 2 gold medals and a silver over 2 Olympics (2008 and 2012) in swimming, so I don't think it did him much harm. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by spartan7886 on Apr 16, 2013 9:23:44 GMT -5
For my own sanity, I am cool with getting my toddler his own seat. He would not sit in my lap for 5 minutes, let alone a three hour flight. His carseat is one of the few places you can put him, without the concern of him starting a fire, breaking a window, or any other disaster you can think of. He may get a window seat, if it is not the aisle where you can open the window. He would be the toddler to figure it out. You do realize the flight attendants will not let anyone under 15 in the exit row, right? I think you're pretty safe from having a toddler in it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 9:25:07 GMT -5
I know one lady who is not discreet. She is young. She is definately the minority though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 16, 2013 9:30:04 GMT -5
I never had a single person notice when I breastfed in public. Even when she decided to unlatch one time to see what was going on over my shoulder in the middle of the mall common area.
At least I never saw anyone staring at me. Most people who walked by when she did that were buried in their phones.
Only person who noticed what was going on was an old lady sitting next to me and all she commented on was she wished she had done that with her kids.
I never got the hang of throwing a blanket over us and I refused to wear what was essentially a bib because someone "might" be offended.
I did use nursing tops but not for the sake of others. They were easier to get out of and back into with one hand since all I had to do was unhook a latch.
That probably helped with people being oblivious. Gwen's head covered one side and my top stayed attached on the other side.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 16, 2013 9:31:28 GMT -5
Athena, Oh absolutely, you have to try it out ahead of time. I'd never recommend dosing a child for a flight with an unknown... I remember flying with a toddler (age 3) and 6 month infant - but this was back in the days when flying was actually fun. I packed some new toys and treats for the toddler. The flight attendents were awesome. One actually carried the toddler off the plane for me. I do recall that we had gotten bumped up to first class which helped a lot.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Apr 16, 2013 9:37:57 GMT -5
We are getting ready to fly to NM with DD this summer. I wish we could get a direct flight but for some reason we can only go from KC to Dallas or Denver, then to El Paso. I tried to figure out why last time but can't remember the reason now. So the flights will be fairly short, but there are two of them each way. She's getting her own seat with her carseat installed backwards (so she's kicking her own seat and not the person in front of her). Also, that way any toys she has will stay in her lap and not be thrown on the floor for us to chase down. Planning on a bag of new toys and snacks to keep her happy. But we've never flown with her before so I really have no clue how she will handle it. As for nursing, we are past that phase now. But I wouldn't care if someone said something to me. Kid's got to eat, and if you are a nursing mom you understand that if your baby is crying, you need to feed them or you both will be very unhappy. I always stay covered up with a blanket or nursing cover when not at home, but that didn't stop DD from grabbing the edge of the cover and pulling it back so she could watch what was going on around her while she ate ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) I am sure I've unintentionally flashed some people but oh well. Unless they are just sitting there staring you down the whole time chances are they won't see anything anyway.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Apr 16, 2013 9:41:19 GMT -5
Nursing covers pretty much scream LOOK AT ME! I'M NURSING MY BABY!!!! I only use one when I pump at my office (or the back of my boss's car on the way to a conference like I did last week ) since pumps aren't like a baby's head and actually cover you.
Yes, I will be discrete as possible. In fact you probably won't even realize that I am feeding her unless you realized that she went from fussing to quiet (besides gulping sounds). More than likely you won't see my stomach because I dress to nurse her and keep myself covered, and unless you are watching way too closely, you will probably never see boob. So just get over it. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 9:52:59 GMT -5
She's getting her own seat with her carseat installed backwards (so she's kicking her own seat and not the person in front of her). Oh, yeah, I just rememberd another wonderful suggestion I read. It doesn't apply in your case, but if your kid is kicking the back of the seat in front of them, take off their shoes. They'll get tired of bruisng their toes and stop kicking!
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 16, 2013 10:12:01 GMT -5
I have 3 kids under 6 and fly with them a couple times a year.
A massive dose of benadryl and a normal dose of tylenol an hour before the flight. I also bring along those anesthetic ear drops.
Babies get the boob or the bottle during takeoff and landing (helps with ears), toddlers get gum. Make damn sure the babies are hungry at takeoff and landing to prevent ear issues.
Change all diapers right before boarding. They do have changing tables in the bathrooms, but you don't want to have to use them if you don't have to.
Don't bother with meals. Having them snacking on higher protein snacks during the flight keeps them busy.
If there's a long layover, let them run out their energy.
Layers, Layers Layers. DS#2 goes bizerk when he's overheated and they all get huggy and quiet when they are cold.
Take off their shoes if they start kicking the seat in front of them.
Sanitize the tray table, because they're going to be playing with it constantly.
Bring toys and games.
If there are two adults, make sure both of you are carrying diaper changing supplies, santizer, and snacks.
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Post by goldensam on Apr 16, 2013 10:16:33 GMT -5
I think the parents that draw the most ire are the ones who sit there looking almost oblivious, and then try to patronize fellow passengers with a "its not so bad" or "he/she's just a baby".
I agree. Effort definitely counts here. How about the nursing thing? Do (general) you get disgusted if women aren't completely and 100% discreet? DH and I had a huge argument about that one last time we flew together. I wasn't trying to flash anyone but honestly, nursing a baby under a shawl is HARD (especially when you're still getting the hang of nursing itself - it was easier this time than it was back around Thanksgiving) and I don't think it's the end of the world if someone catches an accidental glimpse of something while the baby is latching on... ETA: My idea this time was to use bottles but Babybird wasn't having it. She normally can take or leave nursing but naturally when it was super inconvenient to nurse the bottle just WOULD NOT DO. I can't imagine being offended by a nursing mother. For crying out loud, I'm much more offended by the large hairy men that like to wear sleeveless shirts and kick off their shoes on the plane. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png)
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 16, 2013 10:25:31 GMT -5
I think most people prefer a nursing baby to a screaming baby and have enough sense to refrain from eyeballing a nursing mother. I've flown alone with a baby while nursing and didn't have any problems.
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Post by genericname on Apr 16, 2013 10:37:02 GMT -5
I have flown with my 2 year old several times. He is also incredibly squirmy and physically active. He was fine as a lap boy until he was a year and half old. I started buying him his own seat long before the magical 2 year mark. The advantage of bringing your carseat is that you can turn it backwards so that the kid doesn't have a chance to kick anything but his own seat back. Kick away, Ronaldo!
I'm flying with him next month. We will do the standard: sippy cup and a sucker at take off and landing (yay, treats! another bribe). Plenty of snacks. Plenty of diapers, wipes, changes of clothes, plastic bags in case there are no barf bags. Since my DS has discovered the joy of elmo and baby genius apps on the iPad, he will be playing elmo and baby genius for 2 hours on the flight. Yes, we normally limit his time to less than a half hour at a time, but I would rather have him quiet or talking to elmo than screaming his head off because he's bored. We lucked out in that we don't normally have a kid who whines and cries when he doesn't get his way, but you never know what a flight is going to be like. He can't wait to see the airplanes up close, so fingers crossed that he'll be fascinated by all the stuff happening around him.
Definitely: change pants before boarding. Board early and get situated. Deplane last, so that everyone else doesn't have to wait for you to gather the five million extra pounds of baby stuff before you get out of your seats. Eat/drink at takeoff and landing, and don't expect to be anything but completely exhausted by the time you get finished with your travels that day. Be thankful for every little kind gesture, because the littlest things can be the most helpful.
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Post by doxieluvr on Apr 16, 2013 10:37:38 GMT -5
I am one of those that think women should be discrete when feeding their infants. If it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to the world when a baby isn't latch onto, then it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to people ever. Just my opinioni and I'm always in the minority...I'm ok with that Totally agree with you. I do not want to see any boob or belly flab, baby or no baby. They have this new invention of a baby bottle to prevent possible exposure. Use it! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by doxieluvr on Apr 16, 2013 10:39:34 GMT -5
My .02 on the "nursing thing".. You are feeding your child. You are attempting to be discrete. If someone is offended, then that is their problem. If I were planning to travel with an active toddler, I would not be above taking some Benadryl. For you or the kid? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) I would gladly pass out Benadryl for other passengers. Unfortunately it does not put either of kids to sleep. Don't ask me how I know. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by genericname on Apr 16, 2013 10:40:45 GMT -5
I think the parents that draw the most ire are the ones who sit there looking almost oblivious, and then try to patronize fellow passengers with a "its not so bad" or "he/she's just a baby".
I agree. Effort definitely counts here. How about the nursing thing? Do (general) you get disgusted if women aren't completely and 100% discreet? DH and I had a huge argument about that one last time we flew together. I wasn't trying to flash anyone but honestly, nursing a baby under a shawl is HARD (especially when you're still getting the hang of nursing itself - it was easier this time than it was back around Thanksgiving) and I don't think it's the end of the world if someone catches an accidental glimpse of something while the baby is latching on... ETA: My idea this time was to use bottles but Babybird wasn't having it. She normally can take or leave nursing but naturally when it was super inconvenient to nurse the bottle just WOULD NOT DO. I can't imagine being offended by a nursing mother. For crying out loud, I'm much more offended by the large hairy men that like to wear sleeveless shirts and kick off their shoes on the plane. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png) ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) And by the greasy hippy with flip flops and yellow, untrimmed, talons on the end of his hairy toes. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png)
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Post by Firebird on Apr 16, 2013 10:46:28 GMT -5
Honest question - they don't make car seats for infants that will fit in an airplane seat? The Captain - So what if they do? I thought your point was that flying with an infant disturbs fellow passengers and shouldn't ever be done. Putting her in a car seat wouldn't have helped with that in the slightest since, as I said, she needed me to hold her the whole time anyway. She was much quieter in my lap than she would have been in her car seat, trust me on that. I just don't understand how anyone can think it's appropriate to make a bunch of adults put up with their crying infant simply to accomodate one persons' desires. You can't drive? Your family can't come to see you until the child is older?
... I don't quite know how to respond to that but I'll have a go anyway. First of all, Babybird barely cried on the first flights - the ones to PA - and she cried quite a bit on the ones coming home, so her chances of crying on the plane were about 50/50. Second, air travel is not designed to be convenient or comfortable for anyone unless you're flying first class - which we weren't. I don't see how we were any more disruptive than any of the other families with children - or, for that matter, any more than a smelly/obese/chatterbox passenger who happened to be sitting next to you would be. There are plenty of ways to make fellow travelers uncomfortable on a plane that don't require a baby if you're totally inconsiderate. Third, we were visiting family/friends that were 800 miles away, 850 miles away, and 2500 miles away. You're saying we should have been willing to spend (conservatively) 150+ hours in the car for that travel rather than 25 (or just skipping the travel altogether) in order to avoid bringing our baby on a plane and risking offending people we don't even know? That makes perfect sense. Fourth, not everyone has the option of their family coming to see them. In one of those cases, we were visiting a seriously ill uncle of mine (if he makes it to the end of the year, I'll be very surprised) who desperately wanted to see Babybird but couldn't make the trip so he paid for us to visit him instead. I don't care to pick a fight either but... seriously? We did everything we could to minimize discomfort to the passengers around us but suggesting that we shouldn't have gone at all just because we had a baby? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rolleyes2.gif)
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Post by doxieluvr on Apr 16, 2013 10:46:51 GMT -5
I can't imagine being offended by a nursing mother. For crying out loud, I'm much more offended by the large hairy men that like to wear sleeveless shirts and kick off their shoes on the plane. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png) ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) And by the greasy hippy with flip flops and yellow, untrimmed, talons on the end of his hairy toes. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png) Eww to everything above as well. Yuck.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 16, 2013 10:49:43 GMT -5
We did everything we could to minimize discomfort to the passengers around us but suggesting that we shouldn't have gone at all just because we had a baby
Now you're getting it like a good YM-er! And don't forget next time to bring your nursing burka so there are no chances of people getting offended. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 10:50:56 GMT -5
Honest question - they don't make car seats for infants that will fit in an airplane seat? The Captain - So what if they do? I thought your point was that flying with an infant disturbs fellow passengers and shouldn't ever be done. Putting her in a car seat wouldn't have helped with that in the slightest since, as I said, she needed me to hold her the whole time anyway. She was much quieter in my lap than she would have been in her car seat, trust me on that. I just don't understand how anyone can think it's appropriate to make a bunch of adults put up with their crying infant simply to accomodate one persons' desires. You can't drive? Your family can't come to see you until the child is older?
... I don't quite know how to respond to that but I'll have a go anyway. First of all, Babybird barely cried on the first flights - the ones to PA - and she cried quite a bit on the ones coming home, so her chances of crying on the plane were about 50/50. Second, air travel is not designed to be convenient or comfortable for anyone unless you're flying first class - which we weren't. I don't see how we were any more disruptive than any of the other families with children - or, for that matter, any more than a smelly/obese/chatterbox passenger who happened to be sitting next to you would be. There are plenty of ways to make fellow travelers uncomfortable on a plane that don't require a baby if you're totally inconsiderate. Third, we were visiting family/friends that were 800 miles away, 850 miles away, and 2500 miles away. You're saying we should have been willing to spend (conservatively) 150+ hours in the car for that travel rather than 25 (or just skipping the travel altogether) in order to avoid bringing our baby on a plane and risking offending people we don't even know? That makes perfect sense. Fourth, not everyone has the option of their family coming to see them. In one of those cases, we were visiting a seriously ill uncle of mine (if he makes it to the end of the year, I'll be very surprised) who desperately wanted to see Babybird but couldn't make the trip so he paid for us to visit him instead. I don't care to pick a fight either but... seriously? We did everything we could to minimize discomfort to the passengers around us but suggesting that we shouldn't have gone at all just because we had a baby? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rolleyes2.gif) Don't fear - there is now a thread with a list of approved YM life choices! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by muttleynfelix on Apr 16, 2013 11:00:16 GMT -5
I am one of those that think women should be discrete when feeding their infants. If it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to the world when a baby isn't latch onto, then it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to people ever. Just my opinioni and I'm always in the minority...I'm ok with that Totally agree with you. I do not want to see any boob or belly flab, baby or no baby. They have this new invention of a baby bottle to prevent possible exposure. Use it! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) If you are a nursing mother, using a bottle actually makes you MORE exposed than just nursing. Why? Because you have to pump anyway. Pumps are not discrete. They are clear plastic that attaches to your boobs. Not only do you have to pump to get the milk in the bottle but many times your boobs physically cannot go that long without feeding/pumping without becoming a health issue to YOU. Clogged ducts, mastitis, etc. It isn't fun. (posted while I pump at work using a cover)
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Post by Firebird on Apr 16, 2013 11:07:28 GMT -5
::Boobs help babies eat.::
So do bottles. The point is? hoops902 / doxieluvr, maybe you guys missed the part where I explained that I planned to feed Babybird with bottles during the flight so as to avoid nursing in public (believe it or not, I don't find it fun either). Babybird didn't go for it. She only wanted to nurse. This is not an uncommon phenomenon for breastfed babies, especially when they're in an unfamiliar environment. So my choice was to either let her scream and be hungry, or nurse her as discreetly as possible. I chose Door #2. I did wear a shirt I could easily nurse in, though, since I figured this might be the case. So I guess I wouldn't have grossed out Hoops ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) What exactly is unsafe about a child standing up and "jabbering"? Annoying for sure. Doesn't really seem all that unsafe though.
Sudden turbulence, kid goes flying. They need to be sitting down at all times (unless they're actually on the floor, in which case they need to be supervised). I absolutely agree that kids standing in their seats is unsafe. i would buy a seat even for an infant. It would just give you extra room needed to maneuver, change a diaper, put your stuff, whatnot...
Eh, I don't think an extra seat would have helped quite honestly. I carried on only a diaper bag and my suitcase (which was in the overhead bin). Babybird was in a sling most of the flight. When she's toddling around, no question she'll have her own seat. Which is coming up fast. If it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to the world when a baby isn't latch onto, then it isn't ok for you to expose your boobs to people ever.
I agree with being discreet (within reason) but I don't think a little slip here and there is the end of the world. Like NomoreDramaQ1015 said, how many people really notice even when that happens? (Course, her kid has so much hair it probably acted as its own cover ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) ) DH was the one freaking out when my nursing cover slipped. No one else even raised an eyebrow. And I really think people who don't nurse underestimate how tricky it is to nurse under a cover. Maybe if your baby is a great latcher... Babybird has always been a lazy latcher. She comes off and on constantly and has trouble finding me again. It's very tough to nurse her and worry about what everyone is seeing at the same time. It would be one thing if I were deliberately trying to flash people, but if I'm simultaneously trying to be discreet and feed/quiet my kid, one of those is going to have to take precedence. Sorry. I wish we could get a direct flight but for some reason we can only go from KC to Dallas or Denver, then to El Paso. I tried to figure out why last time but can't remember the reason now. So the flights will be fairly short, but there are two of them each way. Sam_2.0, you might prefer that! I was hoping for direct flights too but I found that the connections were a blessing in disguise. I got a chance to eat, stretch my legs, let Babybird stretch out on a blanket and play with her toys... it was great. We had a several hour connection between one of our flights and I really enjoyed the break. Direct flights are fine if they're short (e.g. our trip to Seattle) but the longer flights would have been very tough.
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