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Post by mmhmm on Apr 13, 2013 22:09:51 GMT -5
I'm too tired to weigh in on this very weighty topic, but I do question the picture of the supposed "reserved media section" in the courtroom. Cameras are not permitted in courtrooms in Pennsylvania. ETA: The AP and Pennsylvania news outlets have been covering this trial since it began in March, and there was coverage when the story first broke quite some time ago. Most newspapers subscribe to the AP and therefore have access to the stories. Thanks, kgb, for the information. That does shed some light on what's really going on here. From what you're saying, there's no way that picture is indicative of what is claimed for it. That puts the story in perspective.
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Post by kgb18 on Apr 13, 2013 22:30:21 GMT -5
I do think this story should have gotten more attention on a larger scale than it has. I just question why the people who are critical of that fact weren't calling attention to it sooner.
It's really hard to say why some stories make national news and others don't. It's rarely the "cover up" of a story, like people are suggesting here. This story could be "spun," if you will, to fit either the pro-choice or pro-life message if spinning the story were the goal, so I don't see the need for a cover up.
News outlets are always criticized if they somehow miss a story, so some stories become sort of a pack mentality when it comes to large scale coverage. Sometimes it takes on a life of its own when everyone is clamoring to be the first. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's what happens. The media is driven by the reading/watching public. It's a product. If everyone else is covering the story of ABC, and you're not, the only thing you will hear is, "Why aren't you covering that?"
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2013 0:00:01 GMT -5
kgb- those were two very thoughtful responses. hope to see you here more often.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 0:20:23 GMT -5
[/a][/ul][/div][/quote]</li> </ul></div> Kermit Gosnell, a Pennsylvania abortion doctor, is on trial for a lurid series of lurid crimes at his clinic. I can't bring myself to describe them, so I'll let Kirsten Powers do it. Infant beheadings. Severed baby feet in jars. A child screaming after it was delivered alive during an abortion procedure. Haven't heard about these sickening accusations? It's not your fault. Since the murder trial of Pennsylvania abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell began March 18, there has been precious little coverage of the case that should be on every news show and front page. The revolting revelations of Gosnell's former staff, who have been testifying to what they witnessed and did during late-term abortions, should shock anyone with a heart. NBC-10 Philadelphia reported that, Stephen Massof, a former Gosnell worker, "described how he snipped the spinal cords of babies, calling it, 'literally a beheading. It is separating the brain from the body." One former worker, Adrienne Moton, testified that Gosnell taught her his "snipping" technique to use on infants born alive.
The evangelicals in my twitter and Facebook feed are asking, justifiably, why these crimes seem to be nowhere in the media. You'd think that a lurid crime touching an issue of major national importance would be covered everywhere. And yet, there's been been very little. Mollie Hemingway has been asking reporters who ordinarily cover this beat why: Then I decided, since tmatt has me reading the Washington Post every day, to look at how the paper’s health policy reporter was covering Gosnell. I have critiqued many of her stories on the Susan G. Komen Foundation (she wrote quite a bit about that) and the Sandra Fluke controversy (she wrote quite a bit about that) and the Todd Akin controversy (you know where this is going). In fact, a site search for that reporter — who is named Sarah Kliff — and stories Akin and Fluke and Komen — yields more than 80 hits. Guess how many stories she’s done on this abortionist’s mass murder trial. Did you guess zero? You’d be right. So I asked her about it. Here’s her response: www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/12/why-the-mainstream-media-is-not-covering-the-gosnell-abortion-trial.html </div></div>
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 14, 2013 3:29:42 GMT -5
Fact? Wrong. This is yet another "fractured fact" you pulled out of your butt. At least you're consistent. You're wrong all the time.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 14, 2013 12:23:54 GMT -5
Given a choice, I'd much prefer that the media denounce the uneventful murders of a million unborn children per year rather than the brutal methods of one doctor.
Stories like Dr. Gosnell's instill the mistaken belief that evil is necessarily brutal and visceral.
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2013 12:50:31 GMT -5
Given a choice, I'd much prefer that the media denounce the uneventful murders of a million unborn children per year rather than the brutal methods of one doctor. Stories like Dr. Gosnell's instill the mistaken belief that evil is necessarily brutal and visceral. Here's the problem from a reporting standpoint: currently, abortion prior to fetal viability is legal, whether or to you like it. The number of legal abortions is reported in carious governmental compilations. What he is doing was illegal, not to mention bizarre, that's why it's a story
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 14, 2013 13:13:35 GMT -5
Personally, I seriously doubt that there exists a coordinated conspiracy to bury this story.
But I think it entirely possible that on a media outlet-by-outlet basis, similar thinking exists in many instances.
To wit: We've invested a lot of air-time or page-space or bandwidth on supporting the Pro-Choice perspective, and this nightmare certainly can be twisted to portray Pro-Choice as a monstrous undertaking. Perhaps we'll give it a few lines on Page 10 or something but let's not put any particular focus upon it unless our sister agencies get greedy about sensationalism and force us to jump on the bandwagon just to remain competitive on this matter.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 14, 2013 13:15:20 GMT -5
Given a choice, I'd much prefer that the media denounce the uneventful murders of a million unborn children per year rather than the brutal methods of one doctor. Stories like Dr. Gosnell's instill the mistaken belief that evil is necessarily brutal and visceral. Here's the problem from a reporting standpoint: currently, abortion prior to fetal viability is legal, whether or to you like it. The number of legal abortions is reported in carious governmental compilations. What he is doing was illegal, not to mention bizarre, that's why it's a story I realize that. I'm just noting a disconnect in logic. Abortion opponents presumably want the story reported to emphasize the brutality of abortion. But for an individual who sees no inherent brutality in all abortions, the obvious solution is to facilitate earlier abortions. Singling out such cases also tends to imply that the legality and orthodoxy of an act have some bearing on its morality, which isn't true. I think it's as simple as the media knowing their audience doesn't want to hear about it.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 14, 2013 13:21:56 GMT -5
Given a choice, I'd much prefer that the media denounce the uneventful murders of a million unborn children per year rather than the brutal methods of one doctor. Stories like Dr. Gosnell's instill the mistaken belief that evil is necessarily brutal and visceral. As would I, Virgil. While we don't share a stance on abortion, I'd rather have the press foaming at the mouth over that than slogging back through this horrendous case. I recall it quite well, in all it's gory detail. I really don't want to hear it again. I can't help but wonder if that's not part of the reason some aren't splashing it across their front pages.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 14, 2013 15:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 14, 2013 15:38:27 GMT -5
LOL, paul! Please! There are a lot of statements "out there". Not all of them are accurate, by a long shot. I've read "transcripts" that read as you say, and I've read transcripts that don't. I'm not about to take something from a biased site and state, unequivocally, it's the "real truth". That's BS, just like fetal hearts beating at 14 days is BS.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2013 15:59:16 GMT -5
Or other bullshit such as:
Obama Wants Power To Choose Pastors
Judge: Muslim "Cultural Differences" Valid Excuse For Rape
Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill
(just to name a few on page one)
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Post by cereb on Apr 14, 2013 16:46:57 GMT -5
Or other bullshit such as: Obama Wants Power To Choose Pastors Judge: Muslim "Cultural Differences" Valid Excuse For Rape Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill (just to name a few on page one) Some posters are just fertilizer factories.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 17:52:54 GMT -5
I love that we're holding up an anonymous wikipedia editor like he's William Hearst.
It is to wikipedia's credit that they are very transparent and participatory about their editing and review processes. But "wikipedia editor" is just a euphemism for "some dude on the internet"
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 14, 2013 18:19:02 GMT -5
So, have they strung-up the Baby Killer Doctor by his balls yet?
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2013 18:23:30 GMT -5
So, have they strung-up the Baby Killer Doctor by his balls yet? They should
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 14, 2013 18:47:48 GMT -5
So, have they strung-up the Baby Killer Doctor by his balls yet? Dr. Gosnell was rendering a service to patients. Not all of the blood is on his hands. The sickening irony is that if he lived in Canada and he'd rendered the same illegal services a matter of weeks earlier, he'd qualify for our nation's highest honour: The Order of Canada Medal.
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 14, 2013 18:51:22 GMT -5
So, have they strung-up the Baby Killer Doctor by his balls yet? " Dr. Gosnell was rendering a service to patients. Not all of the blood is on his hands..." ---------
He is the one who killed the babies... others may have asked him to do it, but he's the one that performed the act - repeatedly. That earns him a special place on Death Row. ==================== " ...The sickening irony is that if he lived in Canada and he'd rendered the same illegal services a matter of weeks earlier, he'd qualify for our nation's highest honour: The Order of Canada Medal." ---------- I don't understand the 'Medal' reference in the context of abortion, but that's OK; I'm not sure I want to know.
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2013 18:51:47 GMT -5
So, have they strung-up the Baby Killer Doctor by his balls yet? Dr. Gosnell was rendering a service to patients. Not all of the blood is on his hands. The sickening irony is that if he lived in Canada and he'd rendered the same illegal services a matter of weeks earlier, he'd qualify for our nation's highest honour: The Order of Canada Medal. Canada gives medals to people will kill live babies after delivery?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 14, 2013 19:41:18 GMT -5
Dr. Gosnell was rendering a service to patients. Not all of the blood is on his hands. The sickening irony is that if he lived in Canada and he'd rendered the same illegal services a matter of weeks earlier, he'd qualify for our nation's highest honour: The Order of Canada Medal. Canada gives medals to people will kill live babies after delivery? An Canadian abortionist by the name of Morgentaler illegally aborted children at all stages of pregnancy during the 1970's while fighting to legalize abortion (until that time, it was only legal in case of a threat to the life of the mother). He's been called a social activist and legal crusader. He's received numerous awards from humanist societies and in 2008 he was admitted to the Order of Canada. The award isn't specifically for killing the children, but for preventing the mothers from killing themselves with botched abortions. It implies that the blame for killing the child resides with the parents. The doctor is simply acting in the public interest by preventing women from accidentally killing themselves. I mention it here because Tony clearly blames the doctor. I don't consider Dr. Gosnell blameless, but we also must respect the fact that women were demanding that he kill their children.
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 14, 2013 23:14:45 GMT -5
Canada gives medals to people will kill live babies after delivery? An Canadian abortionist by the name of Morgentaler illegally aborted children at all stages of pregnancy during the 1970's while fighting to legalize abortion (until that time, it was only legal in case of a threat to the life of the mother).
He's been called a social activist and legal crusader. He's received numerous awards from humanist societies and in 2008 he was admitted to the Order of Canada. The award isn't specifically for killing the children, but for preventing the mothers from killing themselves with botched abortions. It implies that the blame for killing the child resides with the parents. The doctor is simply acting in the public interest by preventing women from accidentally killing themselves. I mention it here because Tony clearly blames the doctor. I don't consider Dr. Gosnell blameless, but we also must respect the fact that women were demanding that he kill their children. So does the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, apparently.
They call it murder.
So do I.
Only a lowlife, bottom-feeding skumbag would do such a thing. And: " ...respect the fact that women were demanding that he kill their children?" Are you phukking serious? Jesus-H-Tap-Dancing-Christ, I hope not. I don't consider the Nazi death camp guard who dumped the Zyklon-B into the air-vents of the massive gas chambers to be blameless. But I must respect the fact that his superiors were demanding that he kill the children of those pesky, socially undesirable Jews. Uhhhh... yeah... sure. " Respect the fact that women were demanding that he kill their children?" No. Absolutely not. Time to draw a line in the sand. This far, and no further. Ils ne passeront pas. Non.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2013 0:01:47 GMT -5
How many of the women who went to his clinic have been charged with solicitation to commit murder?
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 15, 2013 0:09:31 GMT -5
How many of the women who went to his clinic have been charged with solicitation to commit murder? Non sequitur. Disconnected.
Immaterial.
It does not matter one little bit, with respect to whether or not the quack-in-question committed murder.
Perhaps they are waiting to prove the case (that murder was, indeed, committed) before attempting to charge the others. But, as I said, with respect to whether or not the doctor committed murder... Non sequitur. The existence of co-conspirators is not germane to whether or not he committed such butchery. And it sounds like they've got the slimy bastard dead-to-rights. One post-Easter crucifixion coming right up?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2013 0:26:07 GMT -5
Yes Tony, you are absolutely correct. But since Virgil had introduced the topic ...
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2013 0:44:22 GMT -5
can we please get back to bashing Paul for complaining that 2 year old story is not currently being covered in the news?
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Post by TonyTiger on Apr 15, 2013 0:56:45 GMT -5
can we please get back to bashing Paul for complaining that 2 year old story is not currently being covered in the news? Pity... and here I was thinking that watching folks make excuses for Abortionists-Gone-Mad was gonna be entertaining...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 1:08:12 GMT -5
can we please get back to bashing Paul for complaining that 2 year old story is not currently being covered in the news? I believe he was referring to the coverage of the Trial of Dr. Gosnell which started in March 2013.
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