Florida to be invaded by Cuba. Again.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 10, 2015 18:22:48 GMT -5 mroped said:

All funy!
Thanks for playing!

My idea of american culture is this melting pot of all colors and creeds and traditions.
We could pick and choose whatever we feel like it fits us and go with it without being judgmental of others and I think that's just great.

And I mentioned the "illegal" thing just to prove that those comming that way might be doing it because they don't have a choice and they are by far the "less" criminal of the bunch. Except for the ilegal entry which is in itself a crime!
As an illegal you try to keep it to yourself, stay off the radar of the law enforcement so you will try to avoid anything that would put you on the spot.

How is that AMERICAN culture, per se?
Canada does the same thing with an even greater number of immigrants.

[mroped]

Canada does it on a much smaller scale than US does it.

And just to clarify I was "illegal" in the real sens of the word in the US for about...8-9hours. 
Crossed the border about midnight and got stoped by Border Patrol around 8-8:30.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 10, 2015 19:07:01 GMT -5 mroped said:

Canada does it on a much smaller scale than US does it.

And just to clarify I was "illegal" in the real sens of the word in the US for about...8-9hours. 
Crossed the border about midnight and got stoped by Border Patrol around 8-8:30.

USA has about 13% of population which is foreign-born.
Canada has about 20%.

Last time I checked, 20% is bigger than 13%, but I could be wrong. Maybe it's the New Math.

[mroped]

Canada has 28 mill population while US has 320 million. Percentage wise yes, total numbers no!
US is processing about 200.000 green cards a year between lottery green cards and legal proceedings through the immigration system. That does not include those that process through marriage. So would be safe to assume that in about 10 years, US has in newly become residents/citizens the entire Canadian populous!

[weltschmerz]

Sorry, when one fifth of the population is foreign born, it's not on a much smaller scale.

[Shooby]

Jan 10, 2015 14:54:56 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 10, 2015 14:51:40 GMT -5 Shooby said:

What a boring life you must lead! Wow. Glad I don't live there. America is exciting.

Yes, I used to live there. So exciting, you have to be armed at all times.

Well, maybe I can afford to live in a nicer area?

[Shooby]

I have never locked my doors.  One time I had like $800 in cash in a bank envelope and I left  it in my car over night with doors unlocked. No problem.  I have left the house and gone to work and the kids forgot to shut and close the front door and come home and the door is open with just the screen door. Sooo, if you have some phony notion about America, then you are probably watching too much TV .

[weltschmerz]

Now we rank 12th, below Belgium and above France. This is makes us look somewhat better compared to percent of immigrant inflows, but still far from the top rank that raw numbers suggest. Again we fall far short of Canada, and other countries at the top with immigrants constituting over 20% of their population.

There are two important lessons from this data. First, when you consider the size of our population, we are not the most immigrant friendly country in the world. Australia, Switzerland, Canada, and other wealthy countries do a far better job than we do by more appropriate measures. This also suggests that we are not doomed to become a poor country if we move to higher rates of immigration.

www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2012/11/18/is-the-u-s-the-most-immigrant-friendly-country-in-the-world/

[Value Buy]

Jan 10, 2015 20:59:17 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Now we rank 12th, below Belgium and above France. This is makes us look somewhat better compared to percent of immigrant inflows, but still far from the top rank that raw numbers suggest. Again we fall far short of Canada, and other countries at the top with immigrants constituting over 20% of their population.

There are two important lessons from this data. First, when you consider the size of our population, we are not the most immigrant friendly country in the world. Australia, Switzerland, Canada, and other wealthy countries do a far better job than we do by more appropriate measures. This also suggests that we are not doomed to become a poor country if we move to higher rates of immigration.

www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2012/11/18/is-the-u-s-the-most-immigrant-friendly-country-in-the-world/

Out of curiosity, how many of the immigrants are illegals, and is there a large percentage of educated people in the total?

[weltschmerz]

Jan 11, 2015 11:22:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 10, 2015 20:59:17 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Now we rank 12th, below Belgium and above France. This is makes us look somewhat better compared to percent of immigrant inflows, but still far from the top rank that raw numbers suggest. Again we fall far short of Canada, and other countries at the top with immigrants constituting over 20% of their population.

There are two important lessons from this data. First, when you consider the size of our population, we are not the most immigrant friendly country in the world. Australia, Switzerland, Canada, and other wealthy countries do a far better job than we do by more appropriate measures. This also suggests that we are not doomed to become a poor country if we move to higher rates of immigration.

www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2012/11/18/is-the-u-s-the-most-immigrant-friendly-country-in-the-world/

Out of curiosity, how many of the immigrants are illegals, and is there a large percentage of educated people in the total?

Nobody really knows how many illegals, but it's not a whole lot.

The legal immigrants are generally educated.

[deziloooooo]

Oct 17, 2012 11:47:35 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I wonder how this will play out for Obama?

Play out for Obama..??  LOL, Zib, the man is a lame duck POTUS...two years left....you know nothing is ever a over night thing when it comes to government what evers..takes time to get all the ducks in a row..I suggest you and others miove on from " Obama " and concentrate your efforts else where..same withn those who are still verbalizing against Bush anjd Cheney..that is old news too..

[zibazinski]

Nothing that man does is ever without some bottom line agenda. If there wasn't something in it for him, he wouldn't do it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 17, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I hope this means there will be an increased availability of Cuban sandwiches. Yum!

There's no shortage. Don't doubt me.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 10, 2015 14:54:56 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 10, 2015 14:51:40 GMT -5 Shooby said:

What a boring life you must lead! Wow. Glad I don't live there. America is exciting.

Yes, I used to live there. So exciting, you have to be armed at all times.

We are armed (many of us) so actually, we don't have to be.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 12, 2015 8:30:46 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Nothing that man does is ever without some bottom line agenda. If there wasn't something in it for him, he wouldn't do it.

So, you mean he's just like you?

[zibazinski]

Absolutely:). But I don't destroy a country in the process.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 13, 2015 20:21:03 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Absolutely. But I don't destroy a country in the process.

The country has hardy been destroyed.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

It is now mathematically impossible for the United States to ever repay the debt- and that's at current interest rates. We've maxed out the credit card, and our response has been to basically demand credit limit increases- thus far, our creditors have been patient. However, if you've got any brains you know that China in particular isn't loaning us money expecting to be paid back. The borrower is slave to the lender- China wants things other than interest. They're buying our impotence so they can grab Taiwan- among other things and we will do a whole bunch of nothing in response. They want natural resources- in which we are abundant. Social Security and Medicare were already functionally bankrupt BEFORE trillions in new ObamaCare spending.

Now, if we had any integrity as a nation, we would default on our debt- and that would be bad enough. But we're not doing that. We're going to repudiate the debt by inflating the currency.

I realize Obama is hardly responsible for ALL of this, but all by himself (with the acknowledged help of the GOP controlled House which WILL NOT stop the bleeding) he has accumulated over half (from $9 trillion when he took office to $18.1 trillion as of Sept 2014) of the country's TOTAL debt in just 6 years.

All by itself, the explosion in new debt is the very definition of "destroyed".

But that's not all he's done. And again- it is acknowledged that the GOP has controlled the purse since 2010 and has done NOTHING to stop the bleeding. In fact, they've done very little to stop Obama from doing anything- from letting ebola in the country, to flooding the southern border with poor, dependent immigrants, to gutting the military in a time of war, from his illegal and unConstitutional ObamaCare disaster, executive amnesty; from his treachery on Benghazi, Bergdahl, and myriad other acts that range from questionable judgment to outright dangerous.

[dondub]

  Once again I see Paul has convicted Bergdahl in an Un-American act of 'guilty without any charges being filed'. I thought he was Mr. Constitution!

 Benghazi....7 attempts so far and N O T H I N G. Once again there is a 'conviction' of the administration.  

 And it's easy to find the real truth on debt growth. Under Obama we have seen 52% and not the doubling so many right wing extremists crow about.

 I also love the 'gutting of the military'. This is so laughable and about the umpteeeigthegillion time I have seen this in the last 40 years....every time a Demo is POTUS. It's

always been a lie and will remain so. If anything has even remotely 'gutted the military' it's the neo-cons wars on Iraq and Afghanistan where we have wasted men/women

and material and trillions.

 If the ACA was unconstitutional I believe the rightwing SCOTUS would have ruled differently, but that's just me looking to experts and not the gadflies and magpies on the right.

 So yes, what a destruction Obama has wrought. The economy is percolating, the market has more than doubled, housing has solidified, low interest rates are helping the American

consumer, wars are ending, energy costs are plummeting and we are safe and secure.

[Value Buy]

Some of our sanctions against Cuba are being lifted tomorrow.

We can now buy $100 worth of Cuban cigars.

God bless our President. He wants more lung cancer here in the states.

[Value Buy]

Don't shoot the messenger. That is what was reported on CNBC this morning, among other things

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2015 9:07:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Some of our sanctions against Cuba are being lifted tomorrow.

We can now buy $100 worth of Cuban cigars.

God bless our President. He wants more lung cancer here in the states.

FFS.

[billisonboard]

[deziloooooo]

Jan 14, 2015 7:34:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

It is now mathematically impossible for the United States to ever repay the debt- and that's at current interest rates. We've maxed out the credit card, and our response has been to basically demand credit limit increases- thus far, our creditors have been patient. However, if you've got any brains you know that China in particular isn't loaning us money expecting to be paid back. The borrower is slave to the lender- China wants things other than interest. They're buying our impotence so they can grab Taiwan- among other things and we will do a whole bunch of nothing in response. They want natural resources- in which we are abundant. Social Security and Medicare were already functionally bankrupt BEFORE trillions in new ObamaCare spending.

Now, if we had any integrity as a nation, we would default on our debt- and that would be bad enough. But we're not doing that. We're going to repudiate the debt by inflating the currency.

I realize Obama is hardly responsible for ALL of this, but all by himself (with the acknowledged help of the GOP controlled House which WILL NOT stop the bleeding) he has accumulated over half (from $9 trillion when he took office to $18.1 trillion as of Sept 2014) of the country's TOTAL debt in just 6 years.

All by itself, the explosion in new debt is the very definition of "destroyed".

But that's not all he's done. And again- it is acknowledged that the GOP has controlled the purse since 2010 and has done NOTHING to stop the bleeding. In fact, they've done very little to stop Obama from doing anything- from letting ebola in the country, to flooding the southern border with poor, dependent immigrants, to gutting the military in a time of war, from his illegal and unConstitutional ObamaCare disaster, executive amnesty; from his treachery on Benghazi, Bergdahl, and myriad other acts that range from questionable judgment to outright dangerous.

Paul , you have been fixated and complaining about the POTUS since before he took the oath of office...Letting "ebola " into the country....? The disease is a world wide one and the borders are open ..as a democracy is suppose to be...while deadly with those who contact it, it seems over all headway is being made and so far well under control,,

Flooding the southern borders..??  Has spent billions on border security, deported more illegals, especially those criminal types who have been caught then any other POTUS...Put into effect a beginning to immigration reform that is not even as strong as the one the Senate , bipartisan by the way, passed ...at least a start of and while you I believe would care little if honest law abiding beyond being here illegally family's were split apart, I do not want  that to be the policy of my country so he at least is trying to stop most of that..GOP for whatever reason wants no part of that..as I believe you don't either..

As far as insinuating Obama Care is unconstitutional and illegal...LOL, grow up now..Just because you feel it is, "according to Paul yadda yadda"..., the SCOTUS and other courts have not said it is so even though Paul says so, it does not mean it is so..Sorry about that..

Benghazi...Why are you bringing that up, it is a non issue, he had nothing to do with the attack besides it happening on his watch..Technically as the top man and as Harry Truman said and had a sign on his desk.."The buck stops here.." reality means things will happen in the world that while on a top mans watch, does not mean it is the fault or doings of that man..Honest intelligent people of both sides understand that but then there are those fanatics who never will ...well you get the picture..

Executive amnesty...believe all POTUS have that right, haven't seen where he has used it that much..like over done it compared to other POTUS, and  there are all ways questions from different sides, disagreements when ever that is being used..Personally the one who gave naval plans to Israel..his wife was freed...IMHO, he is over due for clemency..served enough by years compared to those we have released...yet still in prison, will probably die there..We will see more of these clemency's as we get to the end of the POTUS term in office...that's when you should start complaining IMHO..

"Myriad other acts"...there are always those  during the terms of all POTUS...but just putting your ideas of what they are does not mean they are what you are claiming..not by a long shot...

[deziloooooo]

Jan 15, 2015 9:12:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 15, 2015 9:07:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Some of our sanctions against Cuba are being lifted tomorrow.

We can now buy $100 worth of Cuban cigars.

God bless our President. He wants more lung cancer here in the states.

FFS.

I believe I read that a good Cuban cigar costs , on the island, at least $20 or more each so with a $100 limit, that's like five cigars or less..not in my opinion something that is going to really bail out Cubas financial problems...

[deziloooooo]

Jan 14, 2015 11:32:19 GMT -5 dondub said:

  Once again I see Paul has convicted Bergdahl in an Un-American act of 'guilty without any charges being filed'. I thought he was Mr. Constitution!

 Benghazi....7 attempts so far and N O T H I N G. Once again there is a 'conviction' of the administration.  

 And it's easy to find the real truth on debt growth. Under Obama we have seen 52% and not the doubling so many right wing extremists crow about.

 I also love the 'gutting of the military'. This is so laughable and about the umpteeeigthegillion time I have seen this in the last 40 years....every time a Demo is POTUS. It's

always been a lie and will remain so. If anything has even remotely 'gutted the military' it's the neo-cons wars on Iraq and Afghanistan where we have wasted men/women

and material and trillions.

 If the ACA was unconstitutional I believe the rightwing SCOTUS would have ruled differently, but that's just me looking to experts and not the gadflies and magpies on the right.

 So yes, what a destruction Obama has wrought. The economy is percolating, the market has more than doubled, housing has solidified, low interest rates are helping the American

consumer, wars are ending, energy costs are plummeting and we are safe and secure.

Sorry dundub but I missed your post here , done concicely and to the point, unlike my long and windy one , but the same basic arguments and rebuttles.....thus my to long essay..Great minds think alike..??

[weltschmerz]

Jan 15, 2015 9:07:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Some of our sanctions against Cuba are being lifted tomorrow.

We can now buy $100 worth of Cuban cigars.

God bless our President. He wants more lung cancer here in the states.

If you're inhaling cigar smoke, you're doing it wrong.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 15, 2015 9:07:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Some of our sanctions against Cuba are being lifted tomorrow.

We can now buy $100 worth of Cuban cigars.

God bless our President. He wants more lung cancer here in the states.

If you're inhaling cigar smoke, you're doing it wrong.

If Value Buy conducted even an ounce of research or held an ounce of knowledge where tobacco is grown in the U.S., he would not have posted such a ridiculous statement. Valuebuy would learn the (very) vast majority of tobacco grown in the U.S. is grown in 6 states, 5 of them sold Red states. And in the 6th state where tobacco is grown, in the south and southwest area of the state, its a republican stronghold too. If VB wishes to blame Obama for more cancer because Cuban cigars may now become available, how about attacking and blaming years of lung cancer deaths on the republicans of tobacco growing states who control local and state governments and their congressional representatives and senators in Washington who are part or wholly bought and owned by the tobacco industry.



USDA

Finally, adults who have never smoked tobacco before are not going to start lighting up Cuban cigars en masse just because they are now available. Current cigar smokers will buy the Cuban cigars. Teens will probably not be able to afford them. Just cigar connoisseurs.

I don't drink. Just because Cuban rums may now become available to buy in the U.S. doesn't mean I am now going to go out and buy Cuban rum and drink it.

[deziloooooo]

Jan 15, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 15, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

If you're inhaling cigar smoke, you're doing it wrong.

If Value Buy conducted even an ounce of research or held an ounce of knowledge where tobacco is grown in the U.S., he would not have posted such a ridiculous statement. Valuebuy would learn the (very) vast majority of tobacco grown in the U.S. is grown in 6 states, 5 of them sold Red states. And in the 6th state where tobacco is grown, in the south and southwest area of the state, its a republican stronghold too. If VB wishes to blame Obama for more cancer because Cuban cigars may now become available, how about attacking and blaming years of lung cancer deaths on the republicans of tobacco growing states who control local and state governments and their congressional representatives and senators in Washington who are part or wholly bought and owned by the tobacco industry.



USDA

Finally, adults who have never smoked tobacco before are not going to start lighting up Cuban cigars en masse just because they are now available. Current cigar smokers will buy the Cuban cigars. Teens will probably not be able to afford them. Just cigar connoisseurs.

I don't drink. Just because Cuban rums may now become available to buy in the U.S. doesn't mean I am now going to go out and buy Cuban rum and drink it.

Not  sure how much is still grown there but Connecticut shade grown outer leaf, for premium wrappers m, was a big thing not that long ago...Connecticut River area...Massachusetts, Windsor , Ct..cured in long wooden barns ...shade grown...remember the cotton blanketing of the fields...so many acres sold for development but I believe the Industry is still being done..

[deziloooooo]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_shade_tobacco