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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2012 11:05:00 GMT -5
I can't believe that what Swamp said was so offensive it needed to be edited. That was pretty tame. You should have seen what I was thinking.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 8, 2012 11:07:20 GMT -5
I can't believe that what Swamp said was so offensive it needed to be edited. That was pretty tame. You should have seen what I was thinking. Why does the musical group Limp Bizkit come to mind.
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Post by Angel! on Nov 8, 2012 11:19:16 GMT -5
It's your responsibility to convey your beliefs clearly and not play mind games. I'm too lazy to do a search, and the proboards search feature sucks, but I'm pretty sure you've advocated violence as a solution in the past. I'm too lazy to do........... And here is the crux of the 47%. They expect the 1% to do it for them, and make their life "better" without the 47% doing the work that they should to improve their stance in society....... Wow, someone is a little bitter that they were soooooooo wrong about the outcome of the election. A little tip, that attitude is one of the reasons you got your asses handed to you in the election. You are not fundamentally different than the 47%, you just happen to make slightly more money or have fewer tax credits (aka children). They aren't lazy nor entitled. Most work & file their taxes accordingly, they just happen not to owe any federal taxes. But you can go on being small-minded & assume everyone not like you is lazy or stupid. That worked really well for you all this election.
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 11:42:53 GMT -5
As a side note, has Florida every figured out who the hell it won there??? As of last night, they were clueless, but at least this time the whole election didn't hinge on them getting their shit worked out. Seriously, Florida, maybe you need to get extra large voting ballots for the seniors, or maybe you're still back in the age of dropping colored balls into different boxes and you need to upgrade your technology or something, but you need to DO something. How many elections has this been where you get stuck there flat footed with the rest of the nation standing there impatiently tapping it's feet waiting for you to shit or get off the pot? Straighten yourself up. I mean, West Virginia knows who it elected, for gosh sakes. I'm in Florida...lucky to have our elections held in my condos club house for this area..just a short two minute walk down the street.. I was afraid of the wait..even considered joining friends to vote early... I walked down at 4 PM Tuesday..There were four ahead of me so quickly was gotten to..showed the license..given a receipt after signing some electronic thig a ma gig..went over to a lady who gave me a ballot , another who walked me to a open booth..no more curtains..[sigh]..and did what I was there for..total time..considering it was a long four page ballot..say 15 minutes ..if that..most of the time spent filling out the ballot.. I haven't a clue as to why certain areas are having problems..Did learn from you people that there are things called mail in ways of voting..besides absentee ballots..am going to write local elected representative asking why we don't have those..what the objection is to them, figure there must be something..makes sense to me and think some one here said in their State the participation rate was about middle 80 % ?
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Post by cme1201 on Nov 8, 2012 11:47:57 GMT -5
As a side note, has Florida every figured out who the hell it won there??? As of last night, they were clueless, but at least this time the whole election didn't hinge on them getting their shit worked out. Seriously, Florida, maybe you need to get extra large voting ballots for the seniors, or maybe you're still back in the age of dropping colored balls into different boxes and you need to upgrade your technology or something, but you need to DO something. How many elections has this been where you get stuck there flat footed with the rest of the nation standing there impatiently tapping it's feet waiting for you to shit or get off the pot? Straighten yourself up. I mean, West Virginia knows who it elected, for gosh sakes. I'm in Florida...lucky to have our elections held in my condos club house for this area..just a short two minute walk down the street.. I was afraid of the wait..even considered joining friends to vote early... I walked down at 4 PM Tuesday..There were four ahead of me so quickly was gotten to..showed the license..given a receipt after signing some electronic thig a ma gig..went over to a lady who gave me a ballot , another who walked me to a open booth..no more curtains..[sigh]..and did what I was there for..total time..considering it was a long four page ballot..say 15 minutes ..if that..most of the time spent filling out the ballot.. I haven't a clue as to why certain areas are having problems..Did learn from you people that there are things called mail in ways of voting..besides absentee ballots..am going to write local elected representative asking why we don't have those..what the objection is to them, figure there must be something..makes sense to me and think some one here said in their State the participation rate was about middle 80 % ? You have that right. It is absentee ballot meaning you are absent from showing up at a precinct.
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 11:56:18 GMT -5
Didn't you just love the President's speech acknowledging the win the other night? He piled praise on Mitt, and said what a great person he is, and how we all have to work together to solve our problems. Evidently the previous six months of him attacking Mitt as a 1%ter who does not care about "you" and was going to strip all your entitlements, was all a politcal lie. Either that, or his victory speech was. Your choice..... Funny how , again..one person can see something one way and another one see's it the exact opposite..wonder if a little preconceived bias might enter into it.. I thought his speech to the supporters and workers of his reelection was "Bully "..rousing and up beat...and also aimed really at the whole country..had not idea of how long it was but a short sound byte it wasn't.. Sorry you got nothing out of it Value..guess you were still down in the dumps ..understandable but did you really think the election was going to go the other way..ok you might have hoped for it..thought there was a possibility of..but come on..as some one suggested to another, possible broaden your horizons from just watching Fox for your news and political opinions.. I have actully watched some of Fox over the past few days and truthfully can't believe most of those folks over there..that young coiffured lady who left the little desk to go argue with the stations analist to change their calling of Ohio to a maybe ...? Thats a professional unbiased memeber of the media..? Give me a break..and another pleading with his round table people to hold off giving in on the same question...and useing the most stupid examples of a possible reason for his going off as he was doing... If that is the station of choice for your media information...just realize..these people and the station is like a infocommercial..their job not ot report the news..but to sell what ever they are being paid to peddle...doubt if all really beleive what they are saying and trying to sell...
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 11:59:42 GMT -5
I'm in Florida...lucky to have our elections held in my condos club house for this area..just a short two minute walk down the street.. I was afraid of the wait..even considered joining friends to vote early... I walked down at 4 PM Tuesday..There were four ahead of me so quickly was gotten to..showed the license..given a receipt after signing some electronic thig a ma gig..went over to a lady who gave me a ballot , another who walked me to a open booth..no more curtains..[sigh]..and did what I was there for..total time..considering it was a long four page ballot..say 15 minutes ..if that..most of the time spent filling out the ballot.. I haven't a clue as to why certain areas are having problems..Did learn from you people that there are things called mail in ways of voting..besides absentee ballots..am going to write local elected representative asking why we don't have those..what the objection is to them, figure there must be something..makes sense to me and think some one here said in their State the participation rate was about middle 80 % ? You have that right. It is absentee ballot meaning you are absent from showing up at a precinct. No , whaty I understood , where there is mail in voting..the State some how gets the ballots into the hands of most of their citizens..it is up to those who might have been left out to register to vote and get their own ballot..and then one just fills out..puts a stamp on it..good for the mail service atually..and mails it in. I take it the State has hired temps or their own full time people run them through the machines that tally...
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 12:08:38 GMT -5
I thought about it; the minute the post went up I Googled it and got the two possible options, assassination or loss of the popular vote while winning the electoral college. I considered posting it for clarity but you know what? If PBP wants to post in vague sideways manner a comment with deliberate double meanings, let people get wound up, and then come back as innocent as a lamb and say "Oh my I didn't mean THAT, how awful, how could you all think that?" who am I to spoil his fun. Paul does that all the time. That's his MO here. Post something vague, stir up a shit storm and them come back and tells us we're all idiots for assuming he meant something that he really didn't mean. Whatever. If that's his fun, who are we to spoil it for him? Paul does that all the time. That's his MO here. Post something vague, stir up a shit storm and them come back and tells us we're all idiots for assuming he meant something that he really didn't mean. ..Oh yeah, you nailed that one right on the nail head..disagree with your feeling [ my interpetation of ] that we would b spoil sports for making a big deal of it..I believe he does it puirposly as you pointed out and he is fair game to be called out for it as long as no violaions of the C of C...[Certain moderators seem to feel that is what this whole ProBoards shtick is all about}
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Post by lynnerself on Nov 8, 2012 12:15:24 GMT -5
How our vote by mail works in Oregon. All registered voters received a ballot in the mail a few weeks before the election. You fill it and an mail it back (or drop it off). Signatures are on an outer envelope that is checked and then discarded and the secret ballots are run trough a machine and counted.
There is no walk in voting, no polling places.
This method was establish by a voter initiative on the ballot, not by the State legislature.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 8, 2012 12:25:28 GMT -5
"Biggest issue is this.....take a small businessman/woman who has a company with say 50-500 employees
These companies are going to take huge hits in costs. Now most business people i know, are not just going to "eat" the extra cost. They will do one of a few things.....
a. they can layoff employees reducing their employee overhead to compensate for the cost add
b. they can raise prices....trying to increase gross margins....but hard to do in really competitive areas
c. they can absorb the cost and "they" can earn less on their investment/business
You tell me....what do you think most will do, or try to do?"
Well, to me, this is kind of like the sewer permit regulations. In our town, all the industries have to test their discharge to the sewer, and they have to meet certain criteria, or install treatment equipment to meet the criteria.
This adds to the cost of the final product. However, the regulations are the same for all the industries in town, and similar for all the industries across the country, so it becomes a cost of doing business in the US that ALL businesses have to pay.
It's the same thing with health code regulations and restaurants, compliance with the accounting regulations, compliance with health and safety regulations - if all industries have to comply, then in theory all the industries will have to increase their product costs by a certain percent, or they have to find out other ways of become more effecient to save money.
I'm curious, if you have employees with no insurance at all, do you think you have any negative consequences from that? Do you think for instance that they take more sick days, or that they come to work sick, or have you had employees that went bankrupt due to medical bills (and the stress that causes) - or have you had a lot of employee turn over where people leave your business to work for someone who offers insurance? Or do you think your employees are fine with not having insurance?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 17:10:34 GMT -5
"I'm curious, if you have employees with no insurance at all, do you think you have any negative consequences from that? Do you think for instance that they take more sick days, or that they come to work sick, or have you had employees that went bankrupt due to medical bills (and the stress that causes) - or have you had a lot of employee turn over where people leave your business to work for someone who offers insurance? Or do you think your employees are fine with not having insurance?"
We have approx 160 employees, and less than half have insurance.
Is that a problem....yes. But for some it is a choice.....driving a nicer car, or paying for health insurance. For others, it is not a choice because they barely are making ends meet now. But whose problem is that? They dropped out of school, have no saleable skills, and end up in jobs making $10-12 hour.
Sorry....but their choices are theirs....and every choice made comes with consequences....or dont you believe in personal responsibility?
Parts of the ACA were needed....but they used a hacksaw when a laser would have been better.....we needed to make about 3-4 changes.....and open up the markets.
This is going to cost jobs....lots of them. You can think whatever you like.....but "owners" are not going to just accept a smaller piece of the pie. So they will raise prices (inflationary), and they will try to again cut jobs that somehow the rest of the staff will have to cover for. More productivity, less people.
And what i think or care doesnt matter....i can see beyond what "should" be, to what is realistic based on our situation. There is only so much money....and you cant tax the rich enough to cover all the bills due. And cutting defense mean less jobs, and more people who will now have their hands out, saying gimme!
The road to hell is paved with unintended.....well you know the rest
The choice has been made...now the fun starts when everyone actually gets to read all the fine print
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 17:36:59 GMT -5
I need some clarification...I am retired...Health Insurance is covered by Medi Care and I have opted to pay for a supplement policy to cover the 20% costs not covered by medicare and on my drugs , I am covered by part D...pay a bit , reduced costs of drugs..I'm using Humana..have been from almost the inception of the program..
When I was covered by work policies I don't remember what I was paying..but it was reasonable..after voting the other day, I was schmoozing with some of the volunteer's out side the voting precinct ..ones who were pushing their particular candidates..one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...?
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Post by Angel! on Nov 8, 2012 17:53:30 GMT -5
one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...? Sounds about right. My policy through work is $850/month & comes with a $4k deductable before which they pay nothing. Since I have always hit the $4K deductable my health care costs (between my share & my employers) average to around $1150/month. On the private market I could probably get a lower cost plan with either a higher deductable or that covers less. In theory anyway, in reality they likely wouldn't accept me or my son due to pre-existing conditions & if they did accept us, they wouldn't cover those conditions.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 8, 2012 18:13:41 GMT -5
So it's job creation when the Pubs waste money, but destroying the country when the Dems do it?
The government's role isn't to create jobs. I swear we had some Republican or another saying that while Obama was working on the GM bailout. Can't remember his name. If there's waste in the defense budget, it should be cut, and yes that costs jobs, but so what? Paying somebody that you don't need to pay is exactly the kind of thing the right is usually yelling about.
I guess that only applies when we're giving single mothers checks to keep a roof over her kids head, and not when we're paying Lockheed Martin to build shit the Pentagon doesn't even want.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 20:18:36 GMT -5
OK Folks, argue the point without attacking the other poster. Crab Meat Stuffed Swamp- please edit your post #1327. Thank You, deminmaine- Moderator Done. And I don't think it's appropriate for VB to call me a lazy leech because I don't agree with him. Whatever, I'm a big girl and I'll fight my own battles. The initial attacks are allowed, dependent upon who is making them... it's the "tit for tat" that is verboten. "Thou shalt not seek parity. The Elite shall be bound by a different set of Rules."
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 8, 2012 20:30:03 GMT -5
As a side note, has Florida every figured out who the hell it won there??? As of last night, they were clueless, but at least this time the whole election didn't hinge on them getting their shit worked out. Seriously, Florida, maybe you need to get extra large voting ballots for the seniors, or maybe you're still back in the age of dropping colored balls into different boxes and you need to upgrade your technology or something, but you need to DO something. How many elections has this been where you get stuck there flat footed with the rest of the nation standing there impatiently tapping it's feet waiting for you to shit or get off the pot? Straighten yourself up. I mean, West Virginia knows who it elected, for gosh sakes. I know. Sad, isn't it? I guess I'm happy that my county is not in that list. But still... "Why hasn't Florida been called? As of Wednesday afternoon, President Barack Obama had a 4,143,342 to 4,096,314 lead over GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney in the state -- a margin of 47,028 votes with 100 percent of precincts reporting. Nine counties -- Broward, Duval, Escambia, Hillsborough, Miami-Dade, Okaloosa, Palm Beach, Pinellas and Putnam -- are still counting absentee ballots, the Associated Press reported Wednesday morning. In total, 200,000 absentee and provisional ballots had yet to be counted as of Wednesday morning, larger than Obama's lead. About 20,000 absentee ballots still had to be counted in Miami-Dade county as of Wednesday morning, according to the Miami Herald. The county faced long lines in early voting and a 12-page ballot that confused many voters." I just HAD to bold one of the counties that are still counting. ;D www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/who-won-florida_n_2089411.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 21:29:18 GMT -5
Who checks the voting lists to verify that people with multiple residences (in different states, for example) don't vote in both places? Since unethical people will do anything they can "get away with", there should be checks on that sort of thing.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 8, 2012 21:41:52 GMT -5
Who checks the voting lists to verify that people with multiple residences (in different states, for example) don't vote in both places? Since unethical people will do anything they can "get away with", there should be checks on that sort of thing. So every state verifies with the other forty-nine states (plus the District of Columbia) that every voter is not voting anywhere else. About 129 million voters cast ballots in Tuesday’s presidential election, ... www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/presidential-election-turnout-ticked-down-from-2008-estimate-shows/ 129,000,000x50 = 6,450,000,000 checks.
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 22:05:00 GMT -5
one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...? Sounds about right. My policy through work is $850/month & comes with a $4k deductible before which they pay nothing. Since I have always hit the $4K deductible my health care costs (between my share & my employers) average to around $1150/month. On the private market I could probably get a lower cost plan with either a higher deductible or that covers less. In theory anyway, in reality they likely wouldn't accept me or my son due to pre-existing conditions & if they did accept us, they wouldn't cover those conditions. Thanks for the reply..I believe there was a spot on CNN where their medical expert was explaining some of obama care and I think, don't quote me, but think he mentioned that in 2014 the pre existing conditions will be null and void... So is Obama care , besides the particulars , pre existing conditions..Insurance going with you and other , No cancellations by Insurance company because of illnesses..other such consumer friendly features..when it comes down to it in costs..would this fellow I talked to, your self and family , would you have basically the same coverage for the same $ or same for less $ or does no one know? Personally I cannot relate to such premium costs..but then again I don't relate to what people get paid today if in good jobs...My son is in six figures and not just in six figures..I never earned anything like that ..though I was earning very good $ for the times..saved, invested..bought and sold homes etc, etc..but to have to pay medical premiums ...but I also never would have thought that people would pay $1.50 to $2.50 for a cup of coffee or more..no matter the brand and the fancy name for it...I guess everything is relative to the times..
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 8, 2012 22:11:45 GMT -5
Who checks the voting lists to verify that people with multiple residences (in different states, for example) don't vote in both places? Since unethical people will do anything they can "get away with", there should be checks on that sort of thing. Many snow birds where I live...they vote where their primary residence is...
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Post by Angel! on Nov 8, 2012 23:04:06 GMT -5
So is Obama care , besides the particulars , pre existing conditions..Insurance going with you and other , No cancellations by Insurance company because of illnesses..other such consumer friendly features..when it comes down to it in costs..would this fellow I talked to, your self and family , would you have basically the same coverage for the same $ or same for less $ or does no one know? Part of the problem is there are so many factors no one really knows for certain. Republicans think it will go up because there are now rules regarding minimum coverage so it will cost more. They also think more people will opt for extra doc visits & procedures when they have coverage driving up costs. Democrats think it will cost less because your are forcing everyone to have insurance so you increase the pool & spread the costs more. Another factor in lowering costs could be the amount of unpaid ER bills should go down significantly, so hospitals won't have overcharged those that pay to compensate. They are also forcing insurers to limit admin costs & spend a certain % on healthcare, which could possible lower premiums. In the end it probably comes down to the individual. If the guy you mentioned has an individual plan or small group plan, his costs will likely go down because they will no longer be able to price premiums based on conditions like diabetes. On a big group plan, who knows. If you are under 400% of poverty (I think 88k for a family of 4) then your premiums will be limited based on your salary. I think you will pay between 2% to 9.5% of your income. This will lower costs on the individual level for many low/mid income families & make it affordable for many that currently can't afford insurance. But on the other side someone has to pay for these subsidies & I believe it is the businesses that will cover it from potential fines.
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 9, 2012 0:35:49 GMT -5
So is Obama care , besides the particulars , pre existing conditions..Insurance going with you and other , No cancellations by Insurance company because of illnesses..other such consumer friendly features..when it comes down to it in costs..would this fellow I talked to, your self and family , would you have basically the same coverage for the same $ or same for less $ or does no one know? Part of the problem is there are so many factors no one really knows for certain. Republicans think it will go up because there are now rules regarding minimum coverage so it will cost more. They also think more people will opt for extra doc visits & procedures when they have coverage driving up costs. Democrats think it will cost less because your are forcing everyone to have insurance so you increase the pool & spread the costs more. Another factor in lowering costs could be the amount of unpaid ER bills should go down significantly, so hospitals won't have overcharged those that pay to compensate. They are also forcing insurers to limit admin costs & spend a certain % on healthcare, which could possible lower premiums. In the end it probably comes down to the individual. If the guy you mentioned has an individual plan or small group plan, his costs will likely go down because they will no longer be able to price premiums based on conditions like diabetes. On a big group plan, who knows. If you are under 400% of poverty (I think 88k for a family of 4) then your premiums will be limited based on your salary. I think you will pay between 2% to 9.5% of your income. This will lower costs on the individual level for many low/mid income families & make it affordable for many that currently can't afford insurance. But on the other side someone has to pay for these subsidies & I believe it is the businesses that will cover it from potential fines. Thanks Angel for the explanation..I was shocked when I heard how much this fellow was paying and then one of ours here said he's paying about $850 per month with a $4000 family deductable... I had no clue that was what was the going rate was..if Obama Care cn stabilize and help out on these costs..plus the added benefit of the specifics new do's that will be coming on line..no dropping of Insurence, no pre conditions..these types...why the up roar that has arison is beyond me...especially since so many who are complaining have no idea how the plan will work or cost... I am thinking of one former member here who had no insurence..actually did get into a medical problem but because of no coverage really never got good health looking after..and under Obama Care, she will be eligible for coverage, her own Doctors and becuse of financial reasons will be one who will benefit from help toward that...yet she was against it..didn't want it...Actually her Daughter had a condition..her medical bills were $7000..never paid naturally, no coverage...also no follow up either after ER treatment..said they would pay off the $7000...[sure they will...] Hard to understand all the anti Obama Care actually...Seems the public picks up these news bytes and takes them to heart and just runs with them..little intellectual discovery on their own..just follow their favorite pied piper.."Rush said so so must be true..." And we criticize these mobs in some countrys who run wild and wonder why do they act as they do..just react with out thinking..so what really is the difference...
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Post by cme1201 on Nov 9, 2012 8:16:39 GMT -5
I need some clarification...I am retired...Health Insurance is covered by Medi Care and I have opted to pay for a supplement policy to cover the 20% costs not covered by medicare and on my drugs , I am covered by part D...pay a bit , reduced costs of drugs..I'm using Humana..have been from almost the inception of the program.. When I was covered by work policies I don't remember what I was paying..but it was reasonable..after voting the other day, I was schmoozing with some of the volunteer's out side the voting precinct ..ones who were pushing their particular candidates..one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...? New place I work now offers Health Insurance. For me - $43.84 weekly = 1 year 2279.68 For me and Wife - 165.84 weekly = 1 year 8623.68 For me and 3 Children - 187.97 weekly = 1 year 9774.44 For me, wife and children 547.32 weekly = 1 year 28460.64 Resonableish for me almost impossible to include my family
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 9, 2012 8:24:00 GMT -5
"Hard to understand all the anti Obama Care actually..."
I think the perception is that people will get something for free. Another entitlement program for lazy people who refuse to work.
My inlaws fall into the camp of people that say if people want insurance they need to work hard at a job that offers insurance, or work hard at their own company to be able to pay for their own insurance coverage.
The problem is, though, as mentioned, insurance coverage has become so expensive, there are growing numbers of people who have to decide if they want health insurance or to pay the mortgage and buy groceries. Then they get sick and either go bankrupt with the charges or stick the hospital with the bills.
Every other developed country has some kind of universal health care. We're the only ones who don't. I think that speaks volumes.
Some states require people to have car insurance in order to have a driver's liscense. I don't know why healthcare insurance can't be the same way - with employers paying part, employees paying part, and the government paying it for the truly poor, or paying on a sliding scale for the working poor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 9:03:15 GMT -5
"I Was Wrong. No Mittmentum. Obama Re-elected." Kudos. My exalt button finally works, so I must now use it!
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Post by usaone on Nov 9, 2012 9:11:26 GMT -5
I need some clarification...I am retired...Health Insurance is covered by Medi Care and I have opted to pay for a supplement policy to cover the 20% costs not covered by medicare and on my drugs , I am covered by part D...pay a bit , reduced costs of drugs..I'm using Humana..have been from almost the inception of the program.. When I was covered by work policies I don't remember what I was paying..but it was reasonable..after voting the other day, I was schmoozing with some of the volunteer's out side the voting precinct ..ones who were pushing their particular candidates..one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...? New place I work now offers Health Insurance. For me - $43.84 weekly = 1 year 2279.68 For me and Wife - 165.84 weekly = 1 year 8623.68 For me and 3 Children - 187.97 weekly = 1 year 9774.44 For me, wife and children 547.32 weekly = 1 year 28460.64 Resonableish for me almost impossible to include my family You need to find another job. Ive never seen heathcare that expencive anywhere. Our small company with Blue Cross and Blue Shield for a family is $222 a week. Our company pays half and we pay half. Not too bad at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -5
So it's job creation when the Pubs waste money, but destroying the country when the Dems do it? The government's role isn't to create jobs. I swear we had some Republican or another saying that while Obama was working on the GM bailout. Can't remember his name. If there's waste in the defense budget, it should be cut, and yes that costs jobs, but so what? Paying somebody that you don't need to pay is exactly the kind of thing the right is usually yelling about. I guess that only applies when we're giving single mothers checks to keep a roof over her kids head, and not when we're paying Lockheed Martin to build shit the Pentagon doesn't even want. dont put words into my mouth i said cutting defense will cost jobs....i didnt say it wasnt needed....i just made a point that it will lead to even more unemployed, who will have their hand out, saying its my turn now i figure once all is said and done, we can go from 30-35 bases in foreign countries to maybe 5 key ones...a couple in middle east (turkey and saudi) and a couple in far east (korea and japan?) and maybe one other in europe cover as much ground as possible.....and cut a lot of contractor and defense jobs this is needed...we cant be the world's police force anymore....but it comes with costs also....a number of countries will not like us leaving...and our relations with those countries are going to be tested we have to cut....but each one is going to have many issues with it......that is all i was saying and the federal governments role is NEVER to create jobs.....their job is to protect our borders, and the defense of our country Most of the other jobs were to be done by the states or the citizens of the country
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Post by cme1201 on Nov 9, 2012 9:27:57 GMT -5
New place I work now offers Health Insurance. For me - $43.84 weekly = 1 year 2279.68 For me and Wife - 165.84 weekly = 1 year 8623.68 For me and 3 Children - 187.97 weekly = 1 year 9774.44 For me, wife and children 547.32 weekly = 1 year 28460.64 Resonableish for me almost impossible to include my family You need to find another job. Ive never seen heathcare that expencive anywhere. Our small company with Blue Cross and Blue Shield for a family is $222 a week. Our company pays half and we pay half. Not too bad at all. Love that quote. This is the first place I have worked since 2007 that has offered Insurance. I have since 2007 paid cash for medical procedures, the owner for 31 employees is paying 91k per month for the individual plans.
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 9, 2012 10:55:10 GMT -5
I need some clarification...I am retired...Health Insurance is covered by Medi Care and I have opted to pay for a supplement policy to cover the 20% costs not covered by medicare and on my drugs , I am covered by part D...pay a bit , reduced costs of drugs..I'm using Humana..have been from almost the inception of the program.. When I was covered by work policies I don't remember what I was paying..but it was reasonable..after voting the other day, I was schmoozing with some of the volunteer's out side the voting precinct ..ones who were pushing their particular candidates..one young guy..say he was early , middle 30's if that , had a five year old with Diabetes 1..his medical coverage was $1100 per month...Is this what Medical Insurance is costing today for those covered..either by work or privately...? New place I work now offers Health Insurance. For me - $43.84 weekly = 1 year 2279.68 For me and Wife - 165.84 weekly = 1 year 8623.68 For me and 3 Children - 187.97 weekly = 1 year 9774.44 For me, wife and children 547.32 weekly = 1 year 28460.64 Resonableish for me almost impossible to include my family Absolutly unreasonable for a family...and if this is what it is now throughout the country...then Obamacare if it can reduce these amounts is a blessing...IMHO
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Post by cme1201 on Nov 9, 2012 11:02:06 GMT -5
Absolutly unreasonable for a family...and if this is what it is now throughout the country...then Obamacare if it can reduce these amounts is a blessing...IMHO
Read the Law all 2700 pages of it. It does nothing to reduce the cost. Just hopes that opening the rlls will bring down costs. Obamacare was nothing more than a payout to health insurers
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