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Post by mmhmm on Nov 7, 2012 14:46:09 GMT -5
No violation of CoC, business guy. Sure, sure, just keep telling yourself that.... It's okay to pick on Paul... Focus on a poster, that is completely allowed, got it. If moonbeam thinks I'm breaking the CoC, businessguy, I'm sure she'll let me know.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 7, 2012 14:50:15 GMT -5
I don't see anybody piling on. What I see is some good-natured teasing that's pretty much deserved. I also believe PBP can take it in the light in which it's given. Nobody's flaming him, but there are those who are going to make him dance a bit. I don't see that as anything mean ... just kidding him a bit. I haven't seen a mean word directed toward PBP (well, there were a couple of posts ... but I deleted them).
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 7, 2012 15:33:21 GMT -5
I don't see anybody piling on. What I see is some good-natured teasing that's pretty much deserved. I also believe PBP can take it in the light in which it's given. Nobody's flaming him, but there are those who are going to make him dance a bit. I don't see that as anything mean ... just kidding him a bit. I haven't seen a mean word directed toward PBP (well, there were a couple of posts ... but I deleted them). Considering that he was posting, I believe it was his own admittance, something like 180 straight days the same message..[I believe I am being nice, not dissing him or the message and using word {s} I want to that start with B then followed by a S, and the letter C, last letter is a P in describing what he was posting....I believe most here are just moving on.. Important thing for me, I DID feel this was a very IMPORTANT election...important for the POTUS to have another term to finish the best he can what he is trying to accomplish.. I believed he earned it because I believe the situation he inherited was way worse then he, the experts from both sides and the general public , all party's believed was the case ... Thus the stimulus didn't go far enough.., auto Industry bail out was necessary and so glad it was done..the time frame in turning things around was too short..granted he himself and his people either purposely underestimated the time needed for political and practical reasons..turn the general populace off, depress them even more if told the way things were really the way they were or just underestimated the situation...but by not giving him enough time to turn things around , left himself open for the criticism that not enough wass accomplished when all those $ were spent..unemployment still high..employing people with the monies not as good as was expected..yadda, yadda. I also think that many voters who were not great Obama supporters , Luke warm if that, were also P off by the "party of No.. that party's leadership who came out publicly and stated their prime objective is/was not cooperation with opposite #'s but their agenda is only one thing..replacing the present POTUS..and many felt ....."Bad Pub..naughty Pub..not the way things were supposed to go ..."...and secretly in the voting booth got their comeuppance...they voted pro Obama.. Ok, may be a bit reaching there but then again If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it .
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2012 15:53:01 GMT -5
"If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it ."
The theory is the people who make $250,000 or more a year are small business owners who will pour that tax cut back into their business, hiring more employees, creating a better economy, etc etc. If the tax cut lapses it will make the economy stagnate and we'll never get out of this deep recession. If we give a tax break to the middle class instead, they will squander it buying crap. The wealthy own the businesses therefore they need the tax cut to grow those businesses to the benefit of us all.
This is called 'trickle down' economics and it has been tried before. What happened was the wealthy just put more money into their stash. They didn't spend it on their businesses hiring more people and they didn't buy more crap, they just saved it back, so it did nothing to stimulate the economy, it just made the gap between the poor people and the rich people even bigger.
Personally I think that tax break should expire, and if they want to help small businesses, they should direct a tax aimed at rewarding small businesses that hire more people.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 16:00:57 GMT -5
You might say that, PBP, but that's not how many perceive you. You'll have to ask yourself why that might be. It's not always other peoples' fault. Sometimes, it's good to take a long look at how one presents oneself. I will never acknowledge misperceptions and mischaracterizations by others, nor allow them to distract me. I spend my energy on ideas. It is the responsibility of readers to read, comprehend, and arrive at their own conclusions about what I believe. Anyone here that believes I would advocate violence as a solution to a political problem in a country where we still have the most free, and most fair electoral process on Earth, or in human history for that matter, is either incapable of intellectual honesty, or an illiterate.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 7, 2012 16:03:51 GMT -5
LOL! There are no illiterates here, PBP. As to intellectual honesty, I'll leave that without response.
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Post by swamp on Nov 7, 2012 16:05:58 GMT -5
It's your responsibility to convey your beliefs clearly and not play mind games.
I'm too lazy to do a search, and the proboards search feature sucks, but I'm pretty sure you've advocated violence as a solution in the past.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 7, 2012 16:07:46 GMT -5
LOL, Swamp. I know that to be a fact, as do you!
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 7, 2012 16:10:50 GMT -5
"If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it ." The theory is the people who make $250,000 or more a year are small business owners who will pour that tax cut back into their business, hiring more employees, creating a better economy, etc etc. If the tax cut lapses it will make the economy stagnate and we'll never get out of this deep recession. If we give a tax break to the middle class instead, they will squander it buying crap. The wealthy own the businesses therefore they need the tax cut to grow those businesses to the benefit of us all. This is called 'trickle down' economics and it has been tried before. What happened was the wealthy just put more money into their stash. They didn't spend it on their businesses hiring more people and they didn't buy more crap, they just saved it back, so it did nothing to stimulate the economy, it just made the gap between the poor people and the rich people even bigger. Personally I think that tax break should expire, and if they want to help small businesses, they should direct a tax aimed at rewarding small businesses that hire more people. Good explanation, thanks..so it isn't just that they feel some day they too will be in those rarefied levels..I beleive it was said some where today that by letting those cuts expire..they could raise $1 trillion or so in new revenues..is that correct? That much? That is a lot of $ .. "Personally I think that tax break should expire, and if they want to help small businesses, they should direct a tax aimed at rewarding small businesses that hire more people. "
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 16:12:18 GMT -5
[If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it .]
My wife and I will be affected by these....
But the tax hike isnt the main reason i wanted Obama voted out. I dont have a major issue paying more, if it isnt being wasted on crap.....i would love the tax increase to just PAY DOWN the debt.....but that will never happen
My main reason for not wanting Obama is the ACA.....
For those of you who understand the whole thing, it is a REALLY bad law for small business. I see this one law causing more problems that i can to even think about....
Romney would have given us a chance to repeal or at least change the ACA to be more palatable
As we get further into 2013, those of you that work for small business'es will begin to understand
I will leave it until then......but you may hear "i told you so" at that point
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 7, 2012 16:12:54 GMT -5
Not only is Obama going to lose, but he's going to lose Carter-style. OK, maybe not in a 49 state landslide-- he's going to win CA, IL, PA, NY, NJ and a handful of other insignificant states. But he will lose IA, IN, WI, MI, OH, VA, NC, and FL and that's all it takes. I just started reading back through this thread laughing, but this one is my favorite so far.
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Post by swamp on Nov 7, 2012 16:14:37 GMT -5
I especially like him calling CA, IL, PA, NY, and NJ insignificant since those 5 states alone get you about half way there to carry the electoral college.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2012 16:23:03 GMT -5
[If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it .] My wife and I will be affected by these.... But the tax hike isnt the main reason i wanted Obama voted out. I dont have a major issue paying more, if it isnt being wasted on crap.....i would love the tax increase to just PAY DOWN the debt.....but that will never happen My main reason for not wanting Obama is the ACA..... For those of you who understand the whole thing, it is a REALLY bad law for small business. I see this one law causing more problems that i can to even think about.... Romney would have given us a chance to repeal or at least change the ACA to be more palatable As we get further into 2013, those of you that work for small business'es will begin to understand I will leave it until then......but you may hear "i told you so" at that point I haven't read the whole ACA so I don't know a lot about it, but I thought it would actually help small businesses. From talking to small business owners I know, they complain that their health care insurance costs are enormous, because the insurance companies give you a crappy price, if you're just asking for family coverage, or coverage for a few employees. I thought with the ACA you could purchase your insurance through a group pool, which would give you a lot of bargaining power with the insurance companies, which would translate into a better price for you? Also the insurance carriers couldn't charge you extra money if you have an employee who has heart problems, etc? I know one woman whose husband has a small business but he can't afford to pay health insurance for himself or his business because he has diabetes, which makes the costs skyrocket. So she works at a low paying job she doesn't like much just for the health insurance, when she would rather be working with him, building their business. Or are you saying that small business owners that currently don't foot the bill for insurance for their employees are now screwed because they have to start paying for their insurance, and that's an added expenses the ACA is making them pay? Because wouldn't it be true that, say, if you make pizzas and you have to charge a dime more for the pizza to help pay the employees health insurance, isn't it true that every other pizza company is also having to pay the same costs and raise the cost of their pizza too? So while your costs go up, it's going up for all the other pizza sellers too? Don't flame me if I'm wrong, I don't know a lot about this, but I would like to know more.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 16:25:18 GMT -5
It's your responsibility to convey your beliefs clearly and not play mind games. I'm too lazy to do a search, and the proboards search feature sucks, but I'm pretty sure you've advocated violence as a solution in the past. In response to a physical attack? Home invasion? Sure. It's the only response there is. To a political problem? Never.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 16:25:42 GMT -5
And I do convey ideas clearly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2012 17:18:58 GMT -5
Paul-you did advocate the death penalty and execution for anyone convicted of voter fraud. Rather extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 17:27:34 GMT -5
the old newspaper adage is : "If it bleeds, it leads." The principle extends to internet message boards, too... histrionics and hyperbole garner more attention. The narcissists know this and play off of it.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2012 17:49:16 GMT -5
That's because he thinks all of us are beneath him.
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Post by Driftr on Nov 7, 2012 18:14:02 GMT -5
That's because he thinks all of us are beneath him. Seems as if at least for today, he's right.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2012 18:16:40 GMT -5
That's because he thinks all of us are beneath him. Seems as if at least for today, he's right. I'm sorry that you are beneath Paul. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 7, 2012 18:21:21 GMT -5
Anyone here that believes I would advocate violence as a solution to a political problem in a country where we still have the most free, and most fair electoral process on Earth, or in human history for that matter, is either incapable of intellectual honesty, or an illiterate ----------------- Right. Only YOUR country has the most free and fair electoral process on earth or in human history..... Talk about intellectual honesty, not to mention hyperbole.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 7, 2012 18:44:37 GMT -5
The most fair electoral process in history...
Look how close the popular vote was while the EC vote was a landslide. That sounds like the fairest process in the history of ever to you? We've had presidential elections where a majority of voters come out and vote for guy A, and we put guy B in office. Fairest electoral process my foot.
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Post by Driftr on Nov 7, 2012 18:45:25 GMT -5
Seems as if at least for today, he's right. I'm sorry that you are beneath Paul. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Your apology is not accepted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 19:05:00 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true.
I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones.
Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong.
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Post by Driftr on Nov 7, 2012 19:13:42 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. Mine was a huge model ship of the Yamato that i wanted to assemble. It had an engine and everything. I ended up getting a crappy little 'Hornet'. No motor, but planes that somehow made up for it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 7, 2012 19:22:54 GMT -5
Paul-you did advocate the death penalty and execution for anyone convicted of voter fraud. Rather extreme. It would sure cut down on voter fraud, though. ;D Hear hear!
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2012 19:24:16 GMT -5
Yea-8 or 10 less voters. That sure would have sent Romney into the 400 EC range.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 7, 2012 19:27:39 GMT -5
Yea-8 or 10 less voters. That sure would have sent Romney into the 400 EC range. A wise old Russian once quoted, "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 19:58:01 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. Passionate people who are passionately wrong are a passionate pain in the ass.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 7, 2012 20:13:14 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. Passionate people who are passionately wrong are a passionate pain in the ass. Yeah, but we put up with you anyway.
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