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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2012 20:48:10 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. Passionate people who are passionately wrong are a passionate pain in the ass. Passionately LOL!!
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Post by deziloooooo on Nov 7, 2012 21:27:33 GMT -5
The most fair electoral process in history... Look how close the popular vote was while the EC vote was a landslide. That sounds like the fairest process in the history of ever to you? We've had presidential elections where a majority of voters come out and vote for guy A, and we put guy B in office. Fairest electoral process my foot. Therewere four I beelive and two were in the beginning of the Republic I believe..ealy 1800's... This one I think it's a winner in populer by about 3 million votes which is neat ...plus depending on Florida, still out..could jump to 330 or so electorial..which is a good mandate to me...I would have taken 270 in a minute. Can't tell you how happy I am with the out come..while not really concerned ..till it's official..one never knows..and this was a big one IMHO... As far as Pauls antics..if he was really seriouse in his postings, not doing a spoof..seriously believed what he was posting...to stay on the good side of mmhmm so important C of C..I will only walk away shaking my head in bewilderment..{ Is that acceptable, with in the doings of the C of C ??}
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 23:26:34 GMT -5
Paul-you did advocate the death penalty and execution for anyone convicted of voter fraud. Rather extreme. Perhaps in your opinion, but policy / law advocacy is hardly the equivalent of assassination to resolve political issues. The reason I advocate for the integrity of elections is precisely to prevent the violence that would ensue should we ever lose faith in our elections. It's not those of us on the right flipping out and behaving like animals today. We conservatives are disappointed with the stupidity, the ignorance, and the abject moral depravity of so many of our fellow citizens, but we accept the results, and will develop rational political strategies for future elections. On the left, we had threats to riot, and to assassinate Mitt Romney. This projection of left wing style lunacy on to me probably better explains the suspicions about my meaning than anything I've ever conveyed here. The left tends to see its opponents as just as unhinged as they have become.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2012 23:30:35 GMT -5
Projection:
"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1] Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto another person or object."
This is not the first time I've witnessed this behavior on these boards.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 7, 2012 23:33:06 GMT -5
It's not those of us on the right flipping out and behaving like animals today ----------------- Did you look anywhere outside this thread? I saw plenty of flipping out.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 23:34:26 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. I would like to clarify that I did not post wishful thinking. And I was not wrong about everything. In fact, I was mostly right about Democrat turnout- way off 2008 levels. 10,000,000 votes shy in fact. In Ohio, I was within 5,000 votes of my calculation taken from a variety of credible sources of Democrat voter drop-off. What I just frankly did NOT see coming was the fact that the GOP turnout did not match the intensity in the polls, or the numbers of newly registered Republicans. I never assumed Romney would get fewer votes than John McCain. Never. That is why I never thought the race to be close. And why I have this gg on my face and a healthy serving of crow to eat.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 7, 2012 23:35:17 GMT -5
On the left, we had threats to riot, and to assassinate Mitt Romney. ------------------- Lol! Again, did you look anywhere outside this thread. I saw people urging others to take up arms and storm the White House. That they had a bullet with Obama's name on it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2012 23:36:48 GMT -5
If we didn't have an electoral college, we'd have every election decided by NYC, Chicago, and LA. Instead, candidates need NH, IA, NV, etc. it's a good system.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 23:47:30 GMT -5
"not those of us on the right flipping out and behaving like animals today. We conservatives are disappointed with the stupidity, the ignorance, and the abject moral depravity of so many of our fellow citizens" Glad you aren't flipping out... I'd hate to see what we, the stupid, ignorant and morally depraved, would be subjected to if you were...
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 7, 2012 23:49:42 GMT -5
Stop picking on Paul, I know what it is like to wish for something that doesn't come true. I wanted this train set for Christmas when I was about 7, and my parents in their infinite wisdom got me some books and a chess set...but the consolation prize was a ticket to a Yankees/Red Sox game when we were in the city months later...it was then that the curse of the Bambino was explained to me, in hushed tones. Paul is a passionate believer...I like people who are passionate, right or wrong. That is why I never thought the race to be close. And why I have this gg on my face and a healthy serving of crow to eat. More like 12 egg omelet paul.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 23:51:15 GMT -5
I read it the first timw with the typo as this g g on my face... and wondered what gg was doing on Paul's face ?
I think i need sleep...
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 7, 2012 23:52:58 GMT -5
Here, paul. I brought you a salad to go with your crow.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2012 23:55:29 GMT -5
I read it the first timw with the typo as this g g on my face... and wondered what gg was doing on Paul's face ? I think i need sleep... Poor Gardening Grandma...
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Post by Angel! on Nov 8, 2012 0:13:18 GMT -5
It's not those of us on the right flipping out and behaving like animals today. We conservatives are disappointed with the stupidity, the ignorance, and the abject moral depravity of so many of our fellow citizens, but we accept the results, and will develop rational political strategies for future elections. As part of these rational political strategies, may I suggest republicans not talk about their belief that those that voted for Obama did so out of stupidity, ignorance, or abject moral depravity. I suggest you figure out why they voted the way they did rather than hurl insults. But then, what do I know. I am not a member of the party that threw away what could have been a landslide election if handled correctly.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 8, 2012 7:11:52 GMT -5
Paul: i have a suggestion for you, and i hope you will take it seriously.
you need to widen your news pallate beyond FOX. seriously. the echo chamber over there is unreal. that should be abundantly clear to you by now. please start considering other perspectives in your political diet. this last month has been both shocking and sad for me to watch. and it is not only you. i won't bother naming names.
oh, and please stop ignoring me. i was right. you were wrong. end of debate.
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Post by TonyTiger on Nov 8, 2012 7:31:22 GMT -5
"... I am not a member of the party that threw away what could have been a landslide election if handled correctly." The more practical and pragmatic amongst the Republicans are already taking a very close and realistic look at what went wrong... Some of the more honest and objective amongst them were already on the airwaves yesterday talking about how the dynamic has changed and how they're going to have to adapt or die... At long last, a glimmer of hope and realism... hopefully, it's not a case of 'too little, too late'... but it's becoming clear that they're going to have to start purging the party of its idealogues, and that, damned fast, if their 'New Look' is to have any impact upon the 2014 mid-terms... I shall be watching with interest...
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 8, 2012 8:18:35 GMT -5
As a side note, has Florida every figured out who the hell it won there???
As of last night, they were clueless, but at least this time the whole election didn't hinge on them getting their shit worked out.
Seriously, Florida, maybe you need to get extra large voting ballots for the seniors, or maybe you're still back in the age of dropping colored balls into different boxes and you need to upgrade your technology or something, but you need to DO something.
How many elections has this been where you get stuck there flat footed with the rest of the nation standing there impatiently tapping it's feet waiting for you to shit or get off the pot? Straighten yourself up.
I mean, West Virginia knows who it elected, for gosh sakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 9:17:53 GMT -5
[If anyone here from the pub side can explain to me..I firmly believe that if we have one or two at he most , if that..anyone who would be affected personally by the expiring of the Bush Tax cut on those who are making $250,000 per year..and even less the larger # on the tax cut..over a million a year..yet why are they so vehement on keeping these cuts..they will NEVER EVER reach those heights..please explain to me..I really can't understand it .] My wife and I will be affected by these.... But the tax hike isnt the main reason i wanted Obama voted out. I dont have a major issue paying more, if it isnt being wasted on crap.....i would love the tax increase to just PAY DOWN the debt.....but that will never happen My main reason for not wanting Obama is the ACA..... For those of you who understand the whole thing, it is a REALLY bad law for small business. I see this one law causing more problems that i can to even think about.... Romney would have given us a chance to repeal or at least change the ACA to be more palatable As we get further into 2013, those of you that work for small business'es will begin to understand I will leave it until then......but you may hear "i told you so" at that point I haven't read the whole ACA so I don't know a lot about it, but I thought it would actually help small businesses. From talking to small business owners I know, they complain that their health care insurance costs are enormous, because the insurance companies give you a crappy price, if you're just asking for family coverage, or coverage for a few employees. I thought with the ACA you could purchase your insurance through a group pool, which would give you a lot of bargaining power with the insurance companies, which would translate into a better price for you? Also the insurance carriers couldn't charge you extra money if you have an employee who has heart problems, etc? I know one woman whose husband has a small business but he can't afford to pay health insurance for himself or his business because he has diabetes, which makes the costs skyrocket. So she works at a low paying job she doesn't like much just for the health insurance, when she would rather be working with him, building their business. Or are you saying that small business owners that currently don't foot the bill for insurance for their employees are now screwed because they have to start paying for their insurance, and that's an added expenses the ACA is making them pay? Because wouldn't it be true that, say, if you make pizzas and you have to charge a dime more for the pizza to help pay the employees health insurance, isn't it true that every other pizza company is also having to pay the same costs and raise the cost of their pizza too? So while your costs go up, it's going up for all the other pizza sellers too? Don't flame me if I'm wrong, I don't know a lot about this, but I would like to know more. I wont flame you The law is extrememly complicated.....it will help a small minority of business'es, and hurt the large majority of them As it will help a small minority of people, and "hurt" the majority Biggest issue is this.....take a small businessman/woman who has a company with say 50-500 employees These companies are going to take huge hits in costs. Now most business people i know, are not just going to "eat" the extra cost. They will do one of a few things..... a. they can layoff employees reducing their employee overhead to compensate for the cost add b. they can raise prices....trying to increase gross margins....but hard to do in really competitive areas c. they can absorb the cost and "they" can earn less on their investment/business You tell me....what do you think most will do, or try to do?
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 8, 2012 9:48:46 GMT -5
It's your responsibility to convey your beliefs clearly and not play mind games. I'm too lazy to do a search, and the proboards search feature sucks, but I'm pretty sure you've advocated violence as a solution in the past. I'm too lazy to do........... And here is the crux of the 47%. They expect the 1% to do it for them, and make their life "better" without the 47% doing the work that they should to improve their stance in society.......
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 8, 2012 9:53:22 GMT -5
I just love how everyone "assumed imediately" that PBP was suggesting President Obama might face an assassination, without thinking.
PBP is many things, but he is honest. Sometimes it is just hard to get the 47% here, to think on their own without flying off the handle. They usually have to wait for the correct response to be stated from their leaders before piling on, but this time, their thoughts came out first.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 8, 2012 9:56:30 GMT -5
Didn't you just love the President's speech acknowledging the win the other night? He piled praise on Mitt, and said what a great person he is, and how we all have to work together to solve our problems.
Evidently the previous six months of him attacking Mitt as a 1%ter who does not care about "you" and was going to strip all your entitlements, was all a politcal lie. Either that, or his victory speech was. Your choice.....
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 8, 2012 9:57:49 GMT -5
I thought about it; the minute the post went up I Googled it and got the two possible options, assassination or loss of the popular vote while winning the electoral college.
I considered posting it for clarity but you know what? If PBP wants to post in vague sideways manner a comment with deliberate double meanings, let people get wound up, and then come back as innocent as a lamb and say "Oh my I didn't mean THAT, how awful, how could you all think that?" who am I to spoil his fun.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 8, 2012 10:17:06 GMT -5
I thought about it; the minute the post went up I Googled it and got the two possible options, assassination or loss of the popular vote while winning the electoral college. I considered posting it for clarity but you know what? If PBP wants to post in vague sideways manner a comment with deliberate double meanings, let people get wound up, and then come back as innocent as a lamb and say "Oh my I didn't mean THAT, how awful, how could you all think that?" who am I to spoil his fun. In all honesty, PBP's detractors have always said do not tell me what I think, so they are the ones who have to think and figure it out. He only gave them some red meat, It was up to them to figure it out. We are adults here. Time to act like it and think.
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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2012 10:19:15 GMT -5
It's your responsibility to convey your beliefs clearly and not play mind games. I'm too lazy to do a search, and the proboards search feature sucks, but I'm pretty sure you've advocated violence as a solution in the past. I'm too lazy to do........... And here is the crux of the 47%. They expect the 1% to do it for them, and make their life "better" without the 47% doing the work that they should to improve their stance in society....... Why are you calling me a lazy leech? I pay about $40k a year in income taxes, so I'm doing my bit to better society. How about you?
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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2012 10:22:15 GMT -5
I thought about it; the minute the post went up I Googled it and got the two possible options, assassination or loss of the popular vote while winning the electoral college. I considered posting it for clarity but you know what? If PBP wants to post in vague sideways manner a comment with deliberate double meanings, let people get wound up, and then come back as innocent as a lamb and say "Oh my I didn't mean THAT, how awful, how could you all think that?" who am I to spoil his fun. Paul does that all the time. That's his MO here. Post something vague, stir up a shit storm and them come back and tells us we're all idiots for assuming he meant something that he really didn't mean. Whatever. If that's his fun, who are we to spoil it for him?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 8, 2012 10:23:00 GMT -5
I thought about it; the minute the post went up I Googled it and got the two possible options, assassination or loss of the popular vote while winning the electoral college. I considered posting it for clarity but you know what? If PBP wants to post in vague sideways manner a comment with deliberate double meanings, let people get wound up, and then come back as innocent as a lamb and say "Oh my I didn't mean THAT, how awful, how could you all think that?" who am I to spoil his fun. In all honesty, PBP's detractors have always said do not tell me what I think, so they are the ones who have to think and figure it out. He only gave them some red meat, It was up to them to figure it out. We are adults here. Time to act like it and think. I agree, where did I state otherwise? I just find it a little sad when people deliberately troll boards just to rile people up.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 8, 2012 10:33:33 GMT -5
I'm too lazy to do........... And here is the crux of the 47%. They expect the 1% to do it for them, and make their life "better" without the 47% doing the work that they should to improve their stance in society....... I pay about $40k a year in income taxes, so I'm doing my bit to better society. How about you? I am not a one percenter, but working on it. I do take all the deductions available, and do have lot's of dividend income that is going to be taxed very heavily very soon.... Capital gains have been sorely lacking until this year, so I will be paying up on that charge this year. I believe capital gains and dividends should be taxed lower due to intelllectual property issues. My brain earned these profits, and if I am really good doing this, I must also either earn more regular income to pay the federal tax, or sell assets to pay the tax, which destroys my investing philosopy by killing the goose that made the money in the first place. And I must ask, I bet you do not take any deductions, because that is simply evil and uncaring, and you even write an extra check to the Treasury to fulfill Obama's agenda..... If you don't, how do you sleep at night? Edited by deminmaine- Moderator.
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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2012 10:34:49 GMT -5
I pay about $40k a year in income taxes, so I'm doing my bit to better society. How about you? I am not a one percenter, but working on it. I do take all the deductions available, and do have lot's of dividend income that is going to be taxed very heavily very soon.... Capital gains have been sorely lacking until this year, so I will be paying up on that charge this year. I believe capital gains and dividends should be taxed lower due to intelllectual property issues. My brain earned these profits, and if I am really good doing this, I must also either earn more regular income to pay the federal tax, or sell assets to pay the tax, which destroys my investing philosopy by killing the goose that made the money in the first place. And I must ask, I bet you do not take any deductions, because that is simply evil and uncaring, and you even write an extra check to the Treasury to fulfill Obama's agenda..... If you don't, how do you sleep at night? WTF? Editted to remove deleted phrase. deminmaine- Moderator.
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Post by swamp on Nov 8, 2012 11:02:03 GMT -5
OK Folks, argue the point without attacking the other poster. Crab Meat Stuffed Swamp- please edit your post #1327. Thank You, deminmaine- Moderator Done. And I don't think it's appropriate for VB to call me a lazy leech because I don't agree with him. Whatever, I'm a big girl and I'll fight my own battles.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 8, 2012 11:04:30 GMT -5
I can't believe that what Swamp said was so offensive it needed to be edited. That was pretty tame.
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