Abby Normal
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 13:35:42 GMT -5
How sad it would come to that. Truly, I wish you the best of luck and some major kudos for being willing to work with them.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 4, 2012 13:37:13 GMT -5
How sad it would come to that. Truly, I wish you the best of luck and some major kudos for being willing to work with them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 13:37:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really want to give them up but DH was in so much denial about it that I had to say something to get his attention. I am 100% serious about following thru too. He wants to be stupid and live with them that is his decision, I'm not going to go along with it.
It's not something that isn't unfixable. 20/20 hindsight we should have brought in a trainer ASAP. She said it is quite common for things like that to happen during a major transition because it puts stress on the dogs.
Most people give up the dogs or do nothing and then something REALLY bad happens. We did do the right thing by immediately separating them.
We just never took the next step towards solving the behavior.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 13:40:50 GMT -5
Is your lab, by chance, black? Guessing by the name Midnight. If so, has your trainer mentioned the black face phenomenon.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 13:51:14 GMT -5
Yeah she is black. I don't know if I've ever talked about it with the trainer but I am aware of it.
It would have really been a Sophie's Choice but if we had to rehome we would have chosen Sabah. Midnight is black, hyper and agorophobic (really does not like strangers). So we decided it would not be fair to try to rehome her, Sabah would have the best chance.
I had a really long talk about it with the trainer though since she knows our situation and our dogs so well. Separating them is working and they are not a direct threat to anyone in the home. So the need to rehome is not a pressing one.
However she agreed with me and told DH that if he can't commit to working with them then the dogs need to be rehomed because it isn't fair to us and it isn't fair to them.
He's been very good about sticking the course this time. I think hearing her repeat what I said really drove the point home for him. Plus our situation is different now.
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Post by bean29 on Oct 4, 2012 13:54:43 GMT -5
The other day I saw an article in our newspaper (they run a pet of the week column) that featured a "schnoodle"! That is a schnauzer and poodle mix...CUTEST dog I have seen lately. I wanted to get her just to say I had a schnoodle!! I have a Miniature Schnauzer. Best Dog ever. But a Minature Schnauzer is already a mix of a Poodle and a Schnauzer - so the Schnoodle is more poodle than anything. BTW, Schnauzers do not shed - they are one of the hypo-allergenic breeds. We have to get him groomed regularly. My in-laws are the doggie day care and would adopt our dog if he was up for adoption. I would totally get a Labradoodle or a goldendoodle if I was getting a different dog. I have thought about getting my Dog a Dog too! I guess I better be careful not to get a devil dog companion for my Angel Doggie.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 13:57:55 GMT -5
DH refuses to ever own a schnauzer, he has an aunt who had one that had some serious screws loose and it attacked him when he was a kid.
My parents have always owned pugs. I wouldn't mind owning a pug someday.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 4, 2012 14:23:58 GMT -5
Pugs are adorable and friendly! There were two (brother and sister) at the animal shelter where I volunteer. I was so glad we were able to place them together. They were kind of hyper though but always seemed glad to see anyone and everyone.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 14:30:12 GMT -5
Depends on the pug. One of my parents pugs, Junior is the pug equvialent of Eeyore. Now that I think about it that would have been a perfect name for him! He was already named Junior when we got him though (he's got a longer offical title on his papers, he's named after the stud) and wouldn't answer to anything else.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 14:42:25 GMT -5
I'm not referring to Black Dog syndrome, which is in regards to black dogs being harder to rehome. I'm talking about their face and how other dogs view it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 14:50:56 GMT -5
Oh. No I've never heard of that. Not sure if that is an issue though because they got along for years before this happened. It's directly tied to us splitting them apart and then putting them under the same roof again.
20/20 hindsight it would have been best for me to leave her there and then transitioned them both together. But it never occurred to me that since they got along so well at DH's house that when we put them together again it wouldn't work.
Trainer said reason they got along still at DH's house when we'd put them together for a visit is because they had already long established their turf at that house. It was Midnight's house, she was there first.
MY house became Sabah's house. So when we put them back together they fought over who was going to be on top at this new house.
That and DH's work shift changed to nights. So all back under one roof, new schedule, new house.
It was too many transitions. 20/20 hindsight it's obvious.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 14:59:31 GMT -5
Oh. No I've never heard of that. Not sure if that is an issue though because they got along for years before this happened. It's directly tied to us splitting them apart and then putting them under the same roof again. 20/20 hindsight it would have been best for me to leave her there and then transitioned them both together. But it never occurred to me that since they got along so well at DH's house that when we put them together again it wouldn't work. Trainer said reason they got along still at DH's house when we'd put them together for a visit is because they had already long established their turf at that house. New house was new territory. Yep new house new territory. I'm about to bore you with information, but I have a blackdog that I went through a ton of issues with and learned ALOT. Dogs do not see the same spectrum of color as humans, so basically they are colorblind. Add to that, they only see in two deminsions. So when a dog sees another dog with an all black face and black (or dark brown ) eyes, they can't distinguish their features or expressions. Take a black and white photo of your dog and you'll get the idea. Some dogs aren't bothered in the least, others do not like it in any way, shape or form. My dog used to get attacked all the time, and he would just be standing there minding his own business. So he got into a mentality of "be the first to attack" when he saw any dog. It took us two years to train so I was comfortable taking him around other dogs, and another three before I relaxed. Other dogs still have an issue with him, but I've learned how to keep him out of it. Anyway, not saying mine is the same situation, but it could be contributing. Sometimes understanding the doggy phsycology can help- at least with your patience if nothing else. It could be that in the new environment, the other dog can't read what the lab is "thinking" and it's a vicious cycle.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 15:01:38 GMT -5
That could certainly be possible. We have a session next week, so I'll bring it up.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 15:10:56 GMT -5
It won't matter in how you train out of it, but sometimes it helps you have patience when your pulling your hair out over their behavior.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2012 15:12:45 GMT -5
So you're saying I shouldn't paint my dog's face white?
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 4, 2012 15:13:34 GMT -5
So you're saying I shouldn't paint my dog's face white? You don't paint it- you bleach it. DUH
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