Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell

[weltschmerz]

Sept 19, 2012 16:21:17 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

And this is a nice segue into our next topic. In this corner, wearing the red trunks, is Creationism! In the other corner, wearing the blue trunks....say hello to Evolution!

Sorry. The devil wears red. You have them mixed up.

Nah, the blue is more indicative of a secularism and liberalism.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Liberal? Nope. They wear tie-dye.

[mmhmm]

Sept 19, 2012 16:17:24 GMT -5 beags said:

the evolution/creation battle

the abortion battle

dems vs pubs


I wonder which gets more knock down, dirty, and bloody?

None of 'em ... at least, not in this forum. ;D

[weltschmerz]

Sept 19, 2012 16:27:12 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Liberal? Nope. They wear tie-dye.

Got it. It's the red states vs the tie-dyed states.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Of course not. It's the tasteful black dress/suit states vs the tie-dye states.

Of course, you have the centrist denim states. They just aren't given their due.

[beags]

Here I will settle it.

Red = Republican
Blue = Democrat

Tie dye = everything else in between or third party. (the sensible people)

[beags]

Sept 19, 2012 16:33:53 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Of course not. It's the tasteful black dress/suit states vs the tie-dye states.

Of course, you have the centrist denim states. They just aren't given their due.

you forgot the leather and chain states

[Green Eyed Lady]

I think those are the Independents.

[beags]

Sept 19, 2012 16:27:58 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 19, 2012 16:17:24 GMT -5 beags said:

the evolution/creation battle

the abortion battle

dems vs pubs


I wonder which gets more knock down, dirty, and bloody?

None of 'em ... at least, not in this forum. ;D

You all got that? Go fight somewhere else or we will be whipped while the mods eat popcorn.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 19, 2012 16:34:56 GMT -5 beags said:

Sept 19, 2012 16:33:53 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Of course not. It's the tasteful black dress/suit states vs the tie-dye states.

Of course, you have the centrist denim states. They just aren't given their due.

you forgot the leather and chain states

....and the "naturalist" states. In other words; nekkid.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Nekkid is just nekkid. I think that's California.

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Whether one agrees or disagrees with the God of the Bible, it is pretty clear to me. If you choose to disavow that, that is up to you. But, no where does the Bible subscribe to "all roads lead to God" or any of that. It is pretty clear that the Bible is claiming that Jesus Christ is the ONE and ONLY way. If you don't wish to follow Him, that is up to you. But, if the Bible is indeed true, then you are walking down the wrong road in the end.

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[kittensaver]

Sept 19, 2012 17:57:08 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Sept 19, 2012 14:38:13 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I surely don't believe that God would reject a child simply because his/her parents didn't get the job done or he/she died before this could be accomplished. That makes no sense, IMO.
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How about a child who grew up in another faith on the other side of the world? As the child grows into adulthood, he usually dons the religious cloak of his parents. If the parents "didn't get the job done" right, according to different religious interpretations, will that person be barred from heaven? He wasn't washed in the blood of the Lamb, after all.

In the end, it really doesn't matter what you think about how God operates the universe. All that matters is what is really the Truth. If you are missing the Truth, then all the wishful thinking in the world and hope in something false is just that, false hope.

No one religion has a lock on The Truth, sorry

That's why they call it "faith"

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Sept 19, 2012 18:01:51 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Sept 19, 2012 17:57:08 GMT -5 @shooby said:

In the end, it really doesn't matter what you think about how God operates the universe. All that matters is what is really the Truth. If you are missing the Truth, then all the wishful thinking in the world and hope in something false is just that, false hope.

No one religion has a lock on The Truth, sorry

That's why they call it "faith"

And, you know that how? Sorry, i will put my faith in the Bible that it is the Truth. There is Truth. Choosing to disregard it does not negate or change the realities of it.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Sept 19, 2012 17:57:08 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Sept 19, 2012 14:38:13 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I surely don't believe that God would reject a child simply because his/her parents didn't get the job done or he/she died before this could be accomplished. That makes no sense, IMO.
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How about a child who grew up in another faith on the other side of the world? As the child grows into adulthood, he usually dons the religious cloak of his parents. If the parents "didn't get the job done" right, according to different religious interpretations, will that person be barred from heaven? He wasn't washed in the blood of the Lamb, after all.

In the end, it really doesn't matter what you think about how God operates the universe. All that matters is what is really the Truth. If you are missing the Truth, then all the wishful thinking in the world and hope in something false is just that, false hope.

And what is the truth?

It is pretty clear that the Bible is claiming that Jesus Christ is the ONE and ONLY way.

And for those who follow a different religion? They might find that statement insulting to them and their beliefs.

[kittensaver]

Sept 19, 2012 18:04:59 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Sept 19, 2012 18:01:51 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

No one religion has a lock on The Truth, sorry

That's why they call it "faith"

And, you know that how? Sorry, i will put my faith in the Bible that it is the Truth. There is Truth. Choosing to disregard it does not negate or change the realities of it.

Truth in your world, yes, and you are more than entitled to hold your beliefs for yourself and others who feel like you do. But I do not believe you have the right to assert that your version of The Truth is the only one there is. It is only "what is" for you. You don't know for a fact that God, Jesus, heaven, hell or any stories in the Bible are absolutely true, because you've never seen it for yourself. You only have your "faith" (which again, you're entitled to). So unless you've actually seen God or Jesus in person you're acting on faith.

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That is my belief and opinion. That is what the Bible clearly says to me. So, if you are insulted, i really can't help that. I find people saying "all roads lead to God" to be insulting as well because in my opinion that simply is not the truth. And, it isn't something i invented. You can go read for yourself and draw your own conclusions. But it is kind of like "not believing" in gravity. Whether or not you "believe" in it, it still applies to you. You can sincerely believe anything you want. And, you can be sincerely wrong. God doesn't change whether we believe in Him or not.

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Sept 19, 2012 18:10:09 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Sept 19, 2012 18:04:59 GMT -5 @shooby said:

And, you know that how? Sorry, i will put my faith in the Bible that it is the Truth. There is Truth. Choosing to disregard it does not negate or change the realities of it.

Truth in your world, yes, and you are more than entitled to hold your beliefs for yourself and others who feel like you do. But I do not believe you have the right to assert that your version of The Truth is the only one there is. It is only "what is" for you. You don't know for a fact that God, Jesus, heaven, hell or any stories in the Bible are absolutely true, because you've never seen it for yourself. You only have your "faith" (which again, you're entitled to). So unless you've actually seen God or Jesus in person you're acting on faith.

I can "assert" whatever truths i believe. And, it isn't "my version", i didn't write the Bible or create the worlds.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

That is my belief and opinion. That is what the Bible clearly says to me.

Then say it as such - instead of declaring that the bible is the ONLY TRUTH.

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Sept 19, 2012 18:07:25 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Sept 19, 2012 17:57:08 GMT -5 @shooby said:

In the end, it really doesn't matter what you think about how God operates the universe. All that matters is what is really the Truth. If you are missing the Truth, then all the wishful thinking in the world and hope in something false is just that, false hope.

And what is the truth?

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That was exactly the question asked by Pontious Pilate. And, Jesus responded "Who do YOU say that I am?". THAT is the fundamental question.

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Sept 19, 2012 13:52:52 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 19, 2012 13:17:25 GMT -5 @shooby said:

I don't know what you are talking about. Jesus Christ claims to be THE WAY. The one and only. The ONLY under Heaven and Earth by which men can be saved. That is the real teaching of Christianity. Sorry you don't approve but that is what it is.

It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right.

I disagree. I think that God is at least smart enough to realize that we cannot agree on what color the sky is, let alone a singular religion. I think that it is distinct possibility that there are many, many ways to God. He set it up so that people would gravitate towards what interested them, or what their heritage was in a way that would maximize people exposure to him.

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You can say that but the Bible does NOT say that. That is my yardstick for truth.

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Sept 19, 2012 18:17:04 GMT -5 @shooby said:

You can say that but the Bible does NOT say that. That is my yardstick for truth.

I can and do say that. Just my opinion. I base that off nothing but my extremely good looks and surprisingly sharp intellect.

[kittensaver]

Sept 19, 2012 18:15:25 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

That is my belief and opinion. That is what the Bible clearly says to me.

Then say it as such - instead of declaring that the bible is the ONLY TRUTH.

^^^^^ This, Shooby. You are not in charge of dictating whether what others believe is right or wrong. That is between them and their God as they understand Him/Her/It, just like it is for you.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

I didn't just put nothing but a . inside my quote box, shooby. Please don't alter my original post when you quote me.

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I am "altering" it because i am only responding to a portion. If you are that sensitive, i won't bother.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Then only paste what youre responding to inside a quote box if you must, but don't alter what was originally posted by someone else..

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Sept 19, 2012 18:18:17 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Sept 19, 2012 18:15:25 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Then say it as such - instead of declaring that the bible is the ONLY TRUTH.

^^^^^ This, Shooby. You are not in charge of dictating whether what others believe is right or wrong. That is between them and their God as they understand Him/Her/It, just like it is for you.

Well, that is hilarious because there is no where i said i was "in charge" of anything.

[Deleted]

Sept 19, 2012 18:22:22 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Then only paste what youre responding to inside a quote box if you must, but don't alter what was originally posted by someone else..

As i said, i won't bother then.