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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 13:57:51 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right. And thats when the fight started....  So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 13:59:11 GMT -5
Read Genesis. God increased our pain at delivering a child. Thanks god! if a woman is especially unlucky some babies heads will be too large to go through the pelvis and prior to the invention of the cesarean section the baby, mother, or possibly both would die. Why would a loving god make his chosen species go through so much pain and if it was to punish women for the apple issue why kill an "innocent" unborn child? Your loving kind god isn't so kind and loving as you say from what I observe. You apparently chose not to understand. God is good all the time. He loves us when we are unlovable, sinners and dont' deserve it. And, he sent His Son to die in our place. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:01:54 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right.
And thats when the fight started....
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They can, however, all be wrong. I'm going with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:02:05 GMT -5
Well, i gotta go cook supper. Later peeps!  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:02:29 GMT -5
And thats when the fight started.... So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? LOL!! Sure they do!  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:02:59 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right. And thats when the fight started.... ----------- They can, however, all be wrong. I'm going with that. And then some may be right and I'll go with that.  |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:03:01 GMT -5
And thats when the fight started.... So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? Not about whose God is better, wiser, stronger, bigger. Or more real. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:03:04 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right. And thats when the fight started.... ----------- They can, however, all be wrong. I'm going with that. Well that is entirely possible too. The thing is, we will never really know now will we? Everyone has to make the decision for themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:03:55 GMT -5
So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? Not about whose God is better, wiser, stronger, bigger. Or more real. Thank GOD for peace loving, atheistic communist govts! |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:10:56 GMT -5
Not about whose God is better, wiser, stronger, bigger. Or more real. Thank GOD for peace loving, atheistic communist govts! Lol! Are you claiming that Christian governments are peaceful? How about Muslim ones? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:14:07 GMT -5
No. Govts are run by imperfect and sinful human beings. Jesus never promised Heaven on Earth or any semblance of Utopia. Quite the opposite actually.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 19, 2012 14:17:27 GMT -5
Then why do you keep insisiting that only those who have accepted Christ will find a place in heaven? Don't Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus et-al, also believe in a heaven and after-life? Or is that a separate heaven from yours? God is not a person - god is a belief or system of beliefs. And each religion has theirs. One does not trump the other.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 19, 2012 14:20:21 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone, baby or not, is sinful. I think we are all just born with different degrees of ignorance.
I could offer a few names that would refute this statement.
Hitler
Gangus Khan
Alexander the Great
The Borgias (sp)
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 19, 2012 14:23:48 GMT -5
So why were dead, unbaptized babies sent straight to purgatory, rather than into the loving arms of Jesus? I don't believe in Purgatory. Scripture says "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". There are only 2 destinations. And, i already spoke of the age of accountability. God is known to be in Purgatory. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:29:10 GMT -5
And thats when the fight started.... So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? Historically I'd say religious wars have a pretty astronomical death toll wouldn't you? Though shall not kill unless well you know...its okay with your god. |
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Post by PK Bucko on Sept 19, 2012 14:31:05 GMT -5
So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? Historically I'd say religious wars have a pretty astronomical death toll wouldn't you? Though shall not kill unless well you know...its okay with your god. God and Real Estate. Sometimes the two are intertwined. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:31:09 GMT -5
So why were dead, unbaptized babies sent straight to purgatory, rather than into the loving arms of Jesus? I think Catholicism changed the teachings on that one and babies can now go to heaven. I know. I find it interesting that a religion can change tenets like I change underwear. |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:34:04 GMT -5
I think Catholicism changed the teachings on that one and babies can now go to heaven. I know. I find it interesting that a religion can change tenets like I change underwear. That's the problem with what I call "fixed religion" weltz. I don't like it. So many different Christian denominations changing rules and etc. It is what it is. Too many denominations trying to change things around the way they want it to be, per se, instead of just trying to do what's right. None of us are perfect, and never will be. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:38:13 GMT -5
I surely don't believe that God would reject a child simply because his/her parents didn't get the job done or he/she died before this could be accomplished. That makes no sense, IMO.
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How about a child who grew up in another faith on the other side of the world? As the child grows into adulthood, he usually dons the religious cloak of his parents. If the parents "didn't get the job done" right, according to different religious interpretations, will that person be barred from heaven? He wasn't washed in the blood of the Lamb, after all.
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:38:53 GMT -5
So atheists dont' fight ? Um, yeah? Historically I'd say religious wars have a pretty astronomical death toll wouldn't you? Though shall not kill unless well you know...its okay with your god. Apps, you kill me with that constant sarcasm that has to always involve God. The God I believe in doesn't like war. So, I'm not sure which gods you would be referring to. Like I said 100 times, we all have freedom of choice. Then we suffer the consequences.  |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 19, 2012 14:42:10 GMT -5
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 19, 2012 14:42:38 GMT -5
God likes to play chess as I see it.
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:43:44 GMT -5
It has different versions, Lassie. You have the NIV, King James, Amplified. What exactly do you mean, it has been changed? |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:44:07 GMT -5
The God I believe in doesn't like war. So, I'm not sure which gods you would be referring to.
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Didn't God encourage the genocide of the Caananites?
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 14:45:07 GMT -5
The God I believe in doesn't like war. So, I'm not sure which gods you would be referring to. -------------------- Didn't God encourage the genocide of the Caananites? Not sure, weltz. I'll go back and read about that and get back with ya. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:53:59 GMT -5
In my opinion the bible has a convoluted, messy history, full of contradictions, horrors and absurdities. It has no more evidence of being from "God" than any other so called holy book. Without blind belief in the Bible, there is no evidence for the supernatural claims of Christianity. The miraculous claims are always based on anecdote. There is never any evidence, only tall tales.
If you want to believe, that is fine. I don't want to contribute to this thread anymore because it never ends well when we fight about god.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 14:54:07 GMT -5
God also encouraged the killing of firstborn children, women who weren't virgins, and followers of other religions.
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:57:13 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with approval. Every single religion states that theirs is the ONLY way. They can't all be right. Hinduism is a little more tolerant than this, Weltz; there is a strand of thought in Hinduism which says different religions are just different paths to salvation. Thank GOD for peace loving, atheistic communist govts! For an explanation of the atheism of so-called 'communist governments', Shooby, you have to travel back through Marx to a gentleman named Ludwig Feuerbach. One of his ideas was that religion is a form of alienation. 'God' is to be understood as the essence of humanity externalised and projected onto an alien reality. The characteristics attributed to 'God' - love, wisdom, benevolence etc. - these are actually human characteristics and the more we enrich them in 'God', the more we impoverish ourselves of them. For example, no human being is going to look very good when stood next to the absolute goodness of 'God'; no human being is going to look very wise when stood next to the absolutely wisdom of 'God', and so on. By taking human characteristics and attributing them in a purified, perfected form to 'God', we alienate ourselves from them, from our true nature. This is to do ourselves a disservice. I understand that Alienation became a facet of Marxism - he took the idea further and applied it to matters of labour; economic alienation being the primary source of misery in the world - anyway, the atheism of so-called 'communist governments' is rooted in this line of thought. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 15:01:58 GMT -5
God likes to play chess as I see it. Cool, so do I. Maybe we'll have a game at the company picnic. |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 15:07:17 GMT -5
If you want to believe, that is fine. I don't want to contribute to this thread anymore because it never ends well when we fight about god. I think you're right and Ill second that.  |
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