In case of stroke

[tloonya]

I have read something I want to share though I know 99% of you will be skeptical.
However if it helps one person - mission accomplished.

If someone in your presentce having a stroke let them sit and find a needle.
If it is not sterile - burn its end with matches or any fire.
Then poke every finger of the person with it until blood will come out. Not coming - squeeze it out by pressing with your fingers.
Let blood come out and look at the person's face. If it is affected - pull earlobes down until red and poke until blood will come out.

Opennng of blood to prevent death is known to a human being from beginning f the Earth. So I am just letting you decide what to do with this info. But I could not keep it to myself.

[Jaguar]

WTH

[tloonya]

Sept 3, 2012 13:03:25 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

WTH

Exactly what I predicted!
You don't like it - move on with your life...

[Tennesseer]

urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/needle_stroke.htm



www.snopes.com/medical/disease/stroke.asp

[mmhmm]

Umm, no. Not only no, but HELL NO! If you think someone may be having a stroke, call 911 immediately. Don't hesitate, don't question yourself, and don't try any cute little tricks. Get that person to an ER just as fast as possible. There's a very, very short window for intervention in stroke. The longer you wait, the more narrow that window becomes.

[tloonya]

Sept 3, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/needle_stroke.htm

Once upon a time -- and this is going back 100 years or more, mind you -- bloodletting was thought to be an appropriate treatment for stroke (or "apoplexy," as it was then called). Now we know better; or at least we ought to.

DO WE know better?

[mmhmm]

Yes, those of us who are educated in the field of medicine know better, tloonya. You, obviously, do not.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 3, 2012 13:14:47 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Sept 3, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

urbanlegends.about.com/od/medical/a/needle_stroke.htm

Once upon a time -- and this is going back 100 years or more, mind you -- bloodletting was thought to be an appropriate treatment for stroke (or "apoplexy," as it was then called). Now we know better; or at least we ought to.

DO WE know better?

Yes we do.

I wouldn't take any medical advice from a Chinese professor. Many Chinese still believe ground black rhino horn cures many ills. It doesn't. It is though causing the extinction of black rhinos.

[Spellbound454]

Sure...I wouldn't be doing anything like that until I saw incontrovertible medical evidence..... that it was beneficial.

A stroke is a race against time.....the quicker you get treatment.... the more of the person you will have left.

[TD2K]

I think Loony's having a stroke, can someone hold her down?

[TD2K]

Okay, I'm ready!!

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 3, 2012 13:32:58 GMT -5 TD2K said:

I think Loony's having a stroke, can someone hold her down?

What sized needle do you stick in her?

[TD2K]

Yes, I know I'm having a bad hair day.


Here Loony, Loony, Loony.....

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 3, 2012 13:17:16 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yes, those of us who are educated in the field of medicine know better, tloonya. You, obviously, do not.

Yeesh.

Next you'll be telling us that punching the stroke victim repeatedly in the face to loosen the clot isn't a good idea.

I'm with you, Loony. The bloodier, the better.

[mmhmm]

Tloonya, I'm honestly concerned, so I'm going to say this in hopes you'll listen. Whatever you do, if you ever encounter someone you suspect may be having a stroke DO NOT start poking their fingers and/or earlobes with needles. Just call 911 immediately and tell them you believe you have someone who may be having a stroke. They'll know exactly what to do. If you do not listen, you may indirectly cause someone's death, or paralysis, or inability to speak, or any number of other deficits that can last a lifetime.

Here's a link telling you exactly what to do. DO IT!

www.stroke.org/site/PageServer?pagename=symp

[tloonya]

Have fun! I am outta here...before I satisfy my urge to call you names and be put away and unable to save a stroke victim due to this fact.

[Tennesseer]

It sounds like it's too late for anyone to prick loony's fingers and earlobes. The damage is done and it's irreversible.

[Virgil Showlion]

Whatever you do, if you ever encounter someone you suspect may be having a stroke DO NOT start poking their fingers and/or earlobes with needles. Just call 911 immediately and tell them you believe you have someone who may be having a stroke. They'll know exactly what to do.

Except for snow leopards.

For extremely medical reasons I won't elaborate on, if you ever come across a snow leopard having a stroke, do stick needles in its paws and ears. And eyes.

Also, fight off anybody (such as zoo staff) who tries to stop you.

[mmhmm]

I'm just sitting here hoping against hope Tloonya never, ever, ever comes across someone who might be having a damned stroke!

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 3, 2012 13:59:33 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'm just sitting here hoping against hope Tloonya never, ever, ever comes across someone who might be having a damned stroke!

In fairness, the various articles say the bloodletting can't hurt (conceptually, not literally).

The compromise in Loony's case is: call ambulance first and follow instructions, then do bloodletting.

I know that for heart attack, you're supposed to take a high dose of ASA if you have it available. A stroke is just another type of clot. Does the same apply?

[mmhmm]

There's more than one kind of stroke, Virgil. There are ischemic strokes caused by clots and there are hemorrhagic strokes caused by bleeding in the brain. How are you going to know which one you're treating? Furthermore, ASA is a platelet inhibitor. It doesn't break up clots. It interferes with the clotting cascade. If the clot is already formed, ASA is of no value and could be a REAL BIG PROBLEM if you're witnessing a hemorrhagic stroke.

ETA: I do wish those who have no clue what they're talking about wouldn't wax eloquent on the proper manner for handling possible stroke, or heart attack, or any emergency situation. There are lives at risk here, people.

[Virgil Showlion]

So I take it the answer is "no" then.

Unless there's some 30-second technique to differentiate between ischemic and hemorrhagic.

ETA: I do wish those who have no clue what they're talking about wouldn't wax eloquent on the proper manner for handling possible stroke, or heart attack, or any emergency situation. There are lives at risk here, people.

If you're criticizing my comment re heart attacks, take it up with Harvard Medical.

[Colleenz]

Statistically most strokes are ischemic, but mmhmm is right. An ischemic stroke victim has about 4 hours to get to a hospital for appropriate clot dissolving treatment.

Bottom line, if you witness anyone having difficulty speaking, walking / coordination, drooping on one side please call 911 immediately. Minutes count. XH had a TIA and life flight saved his life.

[Deleted]

I imagine in the case of a hemorrhagic stroke, you don't have to squeeze the fingers?

[Colleenz]

Virgil - aspirin is appropriate for a conscious suspected heart attack victim (after calling 911). Suspected stroke victims should not be given anything orally.

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 3, 2012 14:17:56 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

I imagine in the case of a hemorrhagic stroke, you don't have to squeeze the fingers?

The hemorrhage is in the brain. The problem is a burst blood vessel, not a clotting problem.

Virgil - aspirin is appropriate for a conscious suspected heart attack victim (after calling 911). Suspected stroke victims should not be given anything orally.

That's what I asked.

Thank you for the answer.

[Jaguar]

Don't play around, just call 911.

[Deleted]

Sept 3, 2012 14:21:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 3, 2012 14:17:56 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

I imagine in the case of a hemorrhagic stroke, you don't have to squeeze the fingers?

The hemorrhage is in the brain. The problem is a burst blood vessel, not a clotting problem.

I was being facetious about Loony's bloodletting quackery.

Weren't you?

[mmhmm]

Sept 3, 2012 14:10:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

So I take it the answer is "no" then.

Unless there's some 30-second technique to differentiate between ischemic and hemorrhagic.

ETA: I do wish those who have no clue what they're talking about wouldn't wax eloquent on the proper manner for handling possible stroke, or heart attack, or any emergency situation. There are lives at risk here, people.

If you're criticizing my comment re heart attacks, take it up with Harvard Medical.

There is no 30-second quick differential diagnosis that can be performed by a layman, so yes, the answer is no.

I wasn't criticizing your comment, Virgil. I was criticizing Tloonya's comment about strokes, which is the subject of this thread and the subject I've been discussing. Heart attacks are a different issue. If you want to change the subject to heart attacks, it would probably be better to discuss those on a different thread.

[mmhmm]

Sept 3, 2012 14:17:56 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

I imagine in the case of a hemorrhagic stroke, you don't have to squeeze the fingers?

Not necessarily true. An aneurism can cause bleeding into the brain that can mimic stroke as far as symptoms go. Because an aneurism bursts doesn't necessarily mean the person will bleed more easily peripherally.