What does prayer mean to you? Is it OK if someone

[Opti]

Cool post Welts, Thanks.

[Jaguar]

Namaste Welts, THANK YOU.

[mrsdutt]

Sept 4, 2012 16:44:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 4, 2012 16:06:20 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

He believes in you.

Oh? Which one believes in me? Brahma? Kali? Ganesh? Shiva? Ram? Bastet? Osiris? Isis? Anubis? Abassi? Kwoth? Ikenga? All of them? Or just the Judeo-Christian God? There are thousands. Why should I think only your particular god believes in me?

Your choice.

[mrsdutt]

[weltschmerz]

Sept 4, 2012 21:18:21 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

Sept 4, 2012 16:44:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Oh? Which one believes in me? Brahma? Kali? Ganesh? Shiva? Ram? Bastet? Osiris? Isis? Anubis? Abassi? Kwoth? Ikenga? All of them? Or just the Judeo-Christian God? There are thousands. Why should I think only your particular god believes in me?

Your choice.

I choose the FSM. I've been touched by His noodly appendage.

[Loopdilou]

Squid porn!

[Reckless Roselia]

Sept 4, 2012 21:44:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 4, 2012 21:18:21 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

Your choice.

I choose the FSM. I've been touched by His noodly appendage.

LMAO!

I believe all the Hindu Gods are derived from the One God. Kali Ma does scare me - especially if you're to visit her temple at night.

[Reckless Roselia]

I don't believe in deathbed prayers to be accepted by God at any cost. Imagine a criminal or a serial killer committing crimes throughout all their life but upon the nearing and fearing of death wishes to be forgiven and so they are sincere about it, they are forgiven... I think that's cheating in one way or another. What happened to justice or humanity?

Imagine Hitler being sincere on his deathbed too and prays to God to be forgiven - and he is forgiven and that he'll be entering Heaven. Mind boggling notion.

[mrsdutt]

Imagine Hitler being sincere on his deathbed too and prays to God to be forgiven - and he is forgiven and that he'll be entering Heaven. Mind boggling notion.

I'm sure God has an app for that one. It is, however, a grusome thought. I bet Hitler didn't have time for that, he needed to crunch down on that pill real quick.

[mrsdutt]

MMMH:

Board Rules

1. NO personal attacks. Under no circumstances will you flame another poster for having a different viewpoint from you.

I'm interested in knowing if this includes no smiley faces that show the crazy sign because of an opinion from a poster? It was rather degrading. How does the poster who put that smiley icon in her post know that I'm a stable personality and can handle the put down? And where did she find it? I don't see it on the list. Thankfully, I am stable and chalk the poster up to being uninteresting and uneducated. I would be interested in an answer to this question. Thank you.

[Reckless Roselia]

Sept 5, 2012 5:08:36 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

Imagine Hitler being sincere on his deathbed too and prays to God to be forgiven - and he is forgiven and that he'll be entering Heaven. Mind boggling notion.

I'm sure God has an app for that one. It is, however, a grusome thought. I bet Hitler didn't have time for that, he needed to crunch down on that pill real quick.

I think Hitler may have had time for a quick prayer. Was he not a Christian? Yes, the thought is gruesome which makes me mad that how can anyone pray and have their sins forgiven at the last call?

[Deleted]

It is very unlikely that someone is going to live their life in an evil way and then suddenly be able to turn on a dime at the last second of their life. First, most people don't know when they are going to die. Most people aren't aware that today they are eating breakfast and by the afternoon, they will be meeting their Maker. A true conversion and true changing of one's heart and surrendering to God are what is required. So, as a strategy of sorts, that isn't very likely to succeed.

[Reckless Roselia]

Sept 5, 2012 6:25:34 GMT -5 @shooby said:

It is very unlikely that someone is going to live their life in an evil way and then suddenly be able to turn on a dime at the last second of their life. First, most people don't know when they are going to die. Most people aren't aware that today they are eating breakfast and by the afternoon, they will be meeting their Maker. A true conversion and true changing of one's heart and surrendering to God are what is required. So, as a strategy of sorts, that isn't very likely to succeed.

1. Hitler committed suicide. So, it's highly likely that he prayed to his God to forgive him for his sins - if and only if he was a devout Christian.
2. Upon one's deathbed, believing people do pray for forgiveness.

[Deleted]

How do you know what is in someone's mind in their last seconds? You don't.

[Reckless Roselia]

Read #128. I used the word imagine quite clearly.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2012 6:21:45 GMT -5 Reckless Roselia said:

Sept 5, 2012 5:08:36 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

Imagine Hitler being sincere on his deathbed too and prays to God to be forgiven - and he is forgiven and that he'll be entering Heaven. Mind boggling notion.

I'm sure God has an app for that one. It is, however, a grusome thought. I bet Hitler didn't have time for that, he needed to crunch down on that pill real quick.

I think Hitler may have had time for a quick prayer. Was he not a Christian? Yes, the thought is gruesome which makes me mad that how can anyone pray and have their sins forgiven at the last call?

Because there is Hope for every human being. One only need to look at the Cross and see that one asked for forgiveness and one was still unrepentent. And, even at the last call, the one thief was forgiven.

[mrsdutt]

SHOOBY: Great example. Isn't there a scripture that says (paraphrased) '...The first shall be last and the last shall be first'? Perhaps this refers to this forgiveness thing as well as other life experiences.

[Deleted]

If you believe in a Just God, then you believe that God will make all things right in the realm of eternity and that Hitler will indeed receive his just desserts.

[Reckless Roselia]

Sept 5, 2012 7:20:13 GMT -5 @shooby said:

If you believe in a Just God, then you believe that God will make all things right in the realm of eternity and that Hitler will indeed receive his just desserts.

I believe in the God of 'Yin and Yang'. If He can shower love and blessings then He too can shower pain and hurt. I want my God to be Just but if He can readily forgive evil people like Hitler and just because they pray for forgiveness then what about those countless of lives lost due to them?

[Deleted]

I can ask you the same question about your God of Yin and Yang.

[Deleted]

Sept 4, 2012 21:44:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I choose the FSM. I've been touched by His noodly appendage.

Thought you'd been in a good mood lately

Sept 5, 2012 7:18:54 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

Isn't there a scripture that says (paraphrased) '...The first shall be last and the last shall be first'? Perhaps this refers to this forgiveness thing as well as other life experiences.

Umm... Bob Dylan, I think - "The Times They Are A-Changing".

"The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changing"

Tune!

Sept 5, 2012 7:42:04 GMT -5 @shooby said:

I can ask you the same question about your God of Yin and Yang.

Waste of time. Seems to be a lack of depth to the poster's understanding of the philosophy behind Yin & Yang and so very little sense is likely to be brought forth from a belief in it.

[Reckless Roselia]

Today at 1:42pm, shooby wrote:
I can ask you the same question about your God of Yin and Yang.

Waste of time. Seems to be a lack of depth to the poster's understanding of the philosophy behind Yin & Yang and so very little sense is likely to be brought forth from a belief in it.

Is that an indirect personal insult at me? A juvenile attempt by someone who doesn't know what I am putting forth.

Go troll someone else.

[mrsdutt]

Now INNER, your impatience is showing. I would be interested in the god of Yin and Yang. Even if it's to understand other cultures, I respect the knowledge. After all, someone convinced me that Feng Shue works (and it does). I think there are multiple ways to bring peace in our lives.

So, if ROSE has an inking to expand on her explanation, I am interested.

[Loopdilou]

Don't think it's an insult, just a statement of fact. Your "yin and yang" sounds like the typical westernized misinterpretation of the concept.

[Reckless Roselia]

I would be interested in the god of Yin and Yang. Even if it's to understand other cultures, I respect the knowledge. After all, someone convinced me that Feng Shue works (and it does). I think there are multiple ways to bring peace in our lives.

So, if ROSE has an inking to expand on her explanation, I am interested.

I don't believe in an all loving and forgiving Christian God. If the Christian God can show love then He too can show anger. I used the expression quite freely and boy oh boy - God shows a spilt personality in my opinion.

Sept 5, 2012 8:49:36 GMT -5 Loopdilou said:

Don't think it's an insult, just a statement of fact. Your "yin and yang" sounds like the typical westernized misinterpretation of the concept.

Or opinion at most.

[Deleted]

No, it's not an insult, indeed, it's an observation.

Presume it's the pride of ego that construes such an observation as insulting; others, perhaps less afflicted with vanity, might seek instead to develop their understanding before responding further.

To this end; the overarching idea encapsulated by "Yin & Yang" is to transcend and so resolve dichotomies such as Good & Bad... not preserve them.

[Reckless Roselia]

In Chinese philosophy, the concept of yin-yang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳; traditional Chinese: 陰陽; pinyin: yīnyáng), which is often referred to in the West as "yin and yang", literally meaning "shadow and light", is used to describe how polar opposites or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn in relation to each other. The concept lies at the origins of many branches of classical Chinese science and philosophy, as well as being a primary guideline of traditional Chinese medicine,[1] and a central principle of different forms of Chinese martial arts and exercise, such as baguazhang, taijiquan (t'ai chi), and qigong (Chi Kung) and of I Ching. Many natural dualities—e.g., dark and light, female and male, low and high, cold and hot, water and fire, earth and air—are thought of as manifestations of yin and yang (respectively).

Yin and yang are not opposing forces (dualities), but complementary forces, unseen (hidden, feminine) and seen (manifest, masculine), that interact to form a greater whole, as part of a dynamic system. Everything has both yin and yang aspects as light could not be understood if darkness didn't exist, and shadow cannot exist without light. Either of these aspects may manifest more strongly in a particular object depending on the criterion of the observation. The concept of yin and yang is often symbolized by various forms of the Taijitu symbol, for which it is probably best known in western cultures.

There is a perception (especially in the West) that yin and yang correspond to evil and good. However, in Daoist metaphysics, good/bad distinctions and other dichotomous moral judgments are perceptual and not real, and yin-yang is an indivisible whole. In the ethics of Confucianism on the other hand, most notably in the philosophy of Dong Zhongshu, (c. 2nd century BCE) a moral dimension is attached to the idea of yin and yang.[2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

Since God is the first cause to many believers of the Abrahamic faith then tick tock, He is responsible for all the good and bad.

[roygrip]

Wow look who I found

[Loopdilou]

You highlighted something and then went straight to ignoring it.. in Yin/Yang Good and Evil don't exist.

Plus, that whole "one god" thing is the absolute height of arrogance.

[Reckless Roselia]

Hey Roy. I still believe in a God with dual sides.