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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:00:09 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the basic rule of ALL religions is being good. Religion is supposed to be between you and your God. You worry about what YOU have done, don't worry about others, don't judge others for their mistakes because it is not your place. If you do actually believe in God, you know God is the only one that should be doing the judging! Everybody makes mistakes, just because nobody knows the mistakes you have done doesn't mean you are free and clear. I think if you do end up costing this teacher her job, you would be a horrible person. She is a single mom and I am sure she needs this job.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 9:08:19 GMT -5
So we can't call anyone out on hypocrisy without being judgmental?
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Post by doxieluvr on Sept 3, 2012 9:09:05 GMT -5
But if she just turned 22, and the baby is four years old, she wasn't an adult and wasn't out of high school when the baby was conceived. You're just being an absolute ass about this whole situation to be honest. Do everyone a favor and put your daughter in another school. You'll never be satisfied with this teacher. Well said!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:11:15 GMT -5
They are judgmental and insulting though. I think I would disagree with the assertion that people here aren't pretending to be superior moral beings. The people calling him out aren't pretending to be superior moral beings and aren't paying tuition to keep their kids wrapped in the morality bubble wrap. This is YM. We are all superior moral beings and judging is what we do here. That said, I think a lot of us also just accept that we are going to hell for all of this. You can sit by me in the handbasket, if you like.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 9:13:17 GMT -5
((reserves seat next to Sarah))
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Post by doxieluvr on Sept 3, 2012 9:13:39 GMT -5
I think you're going to drive her out, Foodiedad, and be proud that you're saving your daughter's chastity. I predict that you have either guilt or preoccupation with chastity issues in general, and your going to make this woman a target of your own problems. If you are not careful, you're preoccupation with chastity values in the 4th grade will probably drive your daughter when she is older into behaviors opposite ( how can I put this delicately ) those that you wish to achieve. You seem to have some issues which are spilling over into less than nomal avenues. Girls need training bras in the fourth grade. That doesn't mean that some lessons taught in the fourth grade by ANY teacher on the planet will keep your DD "chaste until marriage." Maybe you had a lot of tigers in your tank before marriage, and maybe you're worried that that will spill over.....you need to get some help. Your kid is going to pick up on your obsession with sex before marriage if you are not careful. This will cause a lot of problems down the road. Seriously, the least you need to do is talk with her pediatrician about your worries, and the most that you should do is get some counseling for yourself. Wow. I so predict his daughter will be a teen mom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:22:39 GMT -5
I read your posts for years... Dude, how long were you lurking?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:24:27 GMT -5
I am not a Christian and I have not read the Bible. So I have a question. Is there anything in the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin until you turn a certain age? Because the OP is claiming his wasn't as bad because he and his wife were older. What difference does it make? Both him and his wife sinned the exact same way as this teacher. As somebody else pointed out, she was just unlucky to get pregnant because of the same exact sin they have all committed. Good point. I was a bit curious as to why foodie felt the need to point out their ages. According to the Bible, Sin is Sin. We tend to look at ourselves through rose colored glasses and everyone else through a magnifying glass. But, perhaps she sinned prior to even becoming a Christian. Is not her slate then wiped clean? But, what really is the bigger "sin" in this case? The fact that she had premarital sex or the fact that there is now a child and result of that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2012 9:24:37 GMT -5
I am not a Christian and I have not read the Bible. So I have a question. Is there anything in the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin until you turn a certain age? Because the OP is claiming his wasn't as bad because he and his wife were older. What difference does it make? Both him and his wife sinned the exact same way as this teacher. As somebody else pointed out, she was just unlucky to get pregnant because of the same exact sin they have all committed. As long as you fornicate with the lights out, The Almighty can't see what you're doing, and therefore, can't judge you.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 9:26:18 GMT -5
I am not a Christian and I have not read the Bible. So I have a question. Is there anything in the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin until you turn a certain age? Because the OP is claiming his wasn't as bad because he and his wife were older. What difference does it make? Both him and his wife sinned the exact same way as this teacher. As somebody else pointed out, she was just unlucky to get pregnant because of the same exact sin they have all committed. As long as you fornicate with the lights out, The Almighty can't see what you're doing, and therefore, can't judge you. So that means nooners are out?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:26:56 GMT -5
Well, maybe if you close your eyes!! lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:27:05 GMT -5
"I so predict his daughter will be a teen mom. "
Sometimes I think you are given a test to see how well you handle it. And if you don't. You get that test again...
crafty, there is some speculation that Cretinous has been with us before... Though Only Speculation Honestly...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:27:11 GMT -5
Not for the exhibitionists.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2012 9:31:58 GMT -5
As long as you fornicate with the lights out, The Almighty can't see what you're doing, and therefore, can't judge you. So that means nooners are out? Geeeeez.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 3, 2012 10:02:04 GMT -5
I realize your DD is old enough to know what the teacher is about. I'm not sure at this late date you can even get your child in another school. On one hand, I see your problem. The school you pay big bucks to hired someone who in your eyes and a lot of other eyes, wasn't moral or chaste or whatever you want to call it. There's proof of it, a child. You are wondering why a school that is supposed to promote values you feel strongly about didn't practice what they preach. Without knowing the details as to why, I can't comment on that. That being said, IF you keep your child there, you need to be very quiet in front of her as to why you are unhappy with that teacher, at LEAST for this year. I am thinking that was all the system could afford because they pay very low. Public schools aren't hiring much so if you want a job teaching, this is where you go. But if you don't move your child, you need to make sure you don't undermine her year by letting her know how you feel about the teacher. This is probably a wasted year anyway with her getting a new teacher. It took me a good year PLUS to get into my teaching groove.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:03:48 GMT -5
I will leave it at that:
Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 3, 2012 10:12:07 GMT -5
There are a lot of people that want their child raised better than they were. I have a friend who was a major "player" when she was in college. She is now married to a minster. Shocked us all but it's right for her. We say nothing about her past but do wonder if her husband knows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:20:22 GMT -5
Believe me, he knows He may not know the exact number but some skills take practice and don't come naturally if you know what I mean
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 3, 2012 10:21:45 GMT -5
...fwiw, my musings: ...shareholders in secular companies demand transparency and accountability... presidential campaigns promise that... married couples need that... and so many here called for it from foodiedad, too... but to the point that it derailed the discussion, imo... posters were so quick to pounce on one bone to pick that they forgot the meat... a private school parent's past is irrelevant to the question, whether pristine/pure or not... ...a Catholic school provides a certain product in a certain setting with certain vetting in their staff... for the school to deviate from that standard DOES deserve inquiry... for transparency and accountability... ...and yes, HK, nun-like standards for all single female teachers may very well be this standard...
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2012 10:22:24 GMT -5
There are a lot of people that want their child raised better than they were. I have a friend who was a major "player" when she was in college. She is now married to a minster. Shocked us all but it's right for her. We say nothing about her past but do wonder if her husband knows. It is up to the parents raise their own child and not the teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:35:34 GMT -5
Been there done that... They asked the principal and he said : we practice forgiveness. So as the principal or CEO or commander in chief he knows more about that young lady's past than the parents and have decided that she was a good fit.
The OP believe/trusted in the school enough to send his daughter there, why not believe/trust that the principal made the right choice? Does the teacher need to revisit her past with every single parent/every year till she gets married and the questions stops?
Do you agree/support everything your CEO (the company of which you hold shares) or your commander in chief does? Are you privy to every details/reasoning behind every decision?
The OP rights to know stops where the teachers right to a personal life start. He doesn't like it then the decision is easy: take his daughter out of the school and take his money elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:43:19 GMT -5
I realize your DD is old enough to know what the teacher is about. I'm not sure at this late date you can even get your child in another school. On one hand, I see your problem. The school you pay big bucks to hired someone who in your eyes and a lot of other eyes, wasn't moral or chaste or whatever you want to call it. There's proof of it, a child. You are wondering why a school that is supposed to promote values you feel strongly about didn't practice what they preach. Without knowing the details as to why, I can't comment on that. That being said, IF you keep your child there, you need to be very quiet in front of her as to why you are unhappy with that teacher, at LEAST for this year. I am thinking that was all the system could afford because they pay very low. Public schools aren't hiring much so if you want a job teaching, this is where you go. But if you don't move your child, you need to make sure you don't undermine her year by letting her know how you feel about the teacher. This is probably a wasted year anyway with her getting a new teacher. It took me a good year PLUS to get into my teaching groove. Actually the school is practicing what they preach, forgiveness and God's love even when we sin.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 3, 2012 10:45:33 GMT -5
Been there done that... They asked the principal and he said : we practice forgiveness. So as the principal or CEO or commander in chief he knows more about that young lady's past than the parents and have decided that she was a good fit. The OP believe/trusted in the school enough to send his daughter there, why not believe/trust that the principal made the right choice? Does the teacher need to revisit her past with every single parent/every year till she gets married and the questions stops? Do you agree/support everything your CEO (the company of which you hold shares) or your commander in chief does? Are you privy to every details/reasoning behind every decision? The OP rights to know stops where the teachers right to a personal life start. He doesn't like it then the decision is easy: take his daughter out of the school and take his money elsewhere. ...and I said as much back on page 1 or 2... although I also agreed that the line between "right to know and right to private life" is well removed from the line we use when we're talking about a secular company... and for this reason the teacher will revisit this over and over again until the "company" has assured the "shareholders" of their strategic decision... at least enough details of it to satisfy their curiosity/concern...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:51:03 GMT -5
And let's get our facts straight here:
-> up till I was in college and even now when I go to corporate meetings it is standard for them to say: let's go around the room, you tell us your name and a little about yourself, hobbies etc. So the teacher may have taken that approach in trying to get to know her students, get familiar with them and to start off said: I am Sallie, I have a daughter that is 4. -> or the kids may have ask (little nosy buggers) and she answered honestly. Why shouldn't she?
It wasn't until a nosy parents that couldn't mind their own business went over to to her at the even and asked if she was married or was she eve married which she answered. That nosy parent in turn made it their business to tell everyone else and stir trouble.
Same way parents can/should want better for their kids, the teacher will probably do the same and may use her life as a reason to wait till marriage. I saw nowhere that one of the qualifications to talk about abstinence is thy you also should have practice it.
Personally, I rather learn/hear from someone that made mistake, suffered the consequences and learned her mistake then one that did not. Like we told the brothers in high school: How can you tell us that sex is indeed better when you are married / we should wait when you have never experienced it yourself.
Also to everyone that mention "moral" clauses good luck. They tend to cover the period of your employment at the school and cannot be cause for termination for something your did 4 years ago when she was probably not even legally an adult. Talk about lawsuit.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 3, 2012 16:24:44 GMT -5
Better than any other teacher at that school since she's actually understands the consequences. She knows how hard it is to raise a kid on your own. She knows how hard it is to get through college with a little one. She might not have ever even wanted to be a teacher, but when you find yourself a single parent, it's the only job where your hours and the kids school hours are going to line up. More or less. She could be the perfect person to teach that particular subject, since she can give the kids real life examples that they can relate too.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 16:26:29 GMT -5
Better than any other teacher at that school since she's actually understands the consequences. She knows how hard it is to raise a kid on your own. She knows how hard it is to get through college with a little one. She might not have ever even wanted to be a teacher, but when you find yourself a single parent, it's the only job where your hours and the kids school hours are going to line up. More or less. She could be the perfect person to teach that particular subject, since she can give the kids real life examples that they can relate too. Stop being logical.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2012 16:28:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it was mentioned but the teacher could have adopted the child and her virginity is 'holy' intact.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 16:30:41 GMT -5
Hymen check!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2012 16:32:59 GMT -5
She might be doomed though if she rode horses.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2012 16:44:05 GMT -5
Chaste ladies don't ride horses.
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